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Rexroom posted:Just think of the poor souls in all those provincial party offices who have to choose between two sides now. It's a civil war out there. SA v. SS
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Cerebral Bore posted:Are you under the impression that persut has even been anything else in Soini's mind than a way for him to get his grubby hands on a ministerinsalkku? Antti posted:– Ajatus siitä, että loikkaisin perustamastani puolueesta on mieletön. Se oli Juudas, en minä, joka meni ja hirtti itsensä, Soini kirjoitti. paras asia tässä kaikessa on kuinka paljon soini joutuu syömään sanojaan, ja kuinka koko hänen elämäntyösä viedään hänen käsistään  : "pulinat pois, kansa on puhunut!" : "yää yää miksi te äänestitte väärin?!"
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For the record the biggest split I can think of outside of the SMP-SKYP split is SDP splitting into the Skog faction and the mother party. This sort of thing at this scale is rarer than unscheduled elections.
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Antti posted:I don't get this one. Putkonen is sticking with Hallis I guess? Putkonen works for the party, he's not a political operator first. He's just doing his job, and he's retiring soon anyway. If Soini takes the party over again, Putkonen will sing his songs instead.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Are you under the impression that persut has even been anything else in Soini's mind than a way for him to get his grubby hands on a ministerinsalkku? Of course not, but I still wouldn't have believed such a blatant power grab. Vain muutaman kuukauden tähden. On the other hand, I'm extremely glad to see this crazy roller coaster ride continue.
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So do I have this right: Soini and his boy Packalén keep all the money, but all the new money goes to Halla-Aho and his stalwart band of Super-Hitlers fighting for a free and pure Finland?
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Too early to tell anything about anything, but a couple of observations: This is not really good for the credibility of the cabinet. A majority of 106 might be workable, but how's the group discipline now? Their main unifying factor is that they hate Halla-aho and his band of troglodytes, and there's really nothing to keep them in line anymore. It's twentysomething political corpses who probably are not going to get re-elected ever again. But hey, Sipilä's an incompetent so he doesn't realize this looks bad. Doesn't change a thing about sote being dead in the water. We'll probably see Halla-aho and Vistbacka going to court over who gets to keep the money. Also, Mika Niikko is not even a Halla-aho supporter but since absolutely no one likes his bible-thumping rear end no one invited him for the party. That's probably the best detail.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:00
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Now we have TWO openly racist parties who send their death patrols to kill migrants and homosexuals  ((
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Things are just getting more hilarious: http://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000005252505.html?share=d13426b3e834313641da0521f00595fc Timo soini kirjoitti 3.6.2017 blogissaan posted:Ajatus siitä, että loikkaisin perustamastani puolueesta on mieletön. Se oli Juudas, en minä, joka meni ja hirtti itsensä.
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adhuin posted:Things are just getting more hilarious: 
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Picture every post I have ever written about this loving government multiply it by a billion and you might, just might, achieve a registerable fraction of the level of  I am feeling right now. Holy gently caress what a time to be mostly apart from the internet. Every time. Every time this government just picks the absolute worst self-sabotage insane clown-anus course of action available to them, that nobody could see coming.This is the greatest moment in my political memory, man gently caress that black president guy
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 Fascism and racism in FinlandYLE: quote:Satakunnan perussuomalaisten puheenjohtaja Anssi Joutsenlahti: "Olen Uuden vaihtoehdon riveissä" By picking Halla-aho at the convention, the 'nuivat' made sure nuivuus harjattiin completely away from the Finnish political arena 
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Jerry Cotton posted:So do I have this right: Soini and his boy Packalén keep all the money, but all the new money goes to Halla-Aho and his stalwart band of Super-Hitlers fighting for a free and pure Finland? Packalen didn't defect and actually questioned the defections. Lots of bad blood being generated this week. Couldn't have happened to a worse party.
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Rappaport posted:
Again, funny how racism wasn't that big a deal when the nuiva people and their voters and seats were just doing as they are told. Lots of principles being rediscovered all of a sudden. I mean credit to the defectors for trying to strangle the Suomidemokraatit party in the crib.
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Rexroom posted:What points would they be, and in what way have the other parties ignored them? For instance determining some hard numbers regarding the capacity of Finland when receiving refugees. Simply admitting that integration hasn't been working. Discussing the good and bad aspects of various cultures and how compatible they are. In my opinion, these are very much taboo subjects a bit like criticising the idea of eternal economic growth. Could be just my bubble, but I can't remember any civilised public discussion regarding these topics. Ignoring these matters is what brings popularity to some thorough idiots because they're the only ones talking about the subject at all. Hyssyttely and fearmongering-mongering is not the solution. If there is no debate because the other side is supposedly racist (hint: we all have prejudices to various groups) and therefore not worthy of discussion, you can't expect people to take you seriously. The way kok and kepu talked about refusing government cooperation with the new (old?) leadership is a prime example of it. They talk nonsense about values, implying that they have good ones while the others have just hatred in their hearts. I would've been happy if they said that "persus think that we should only take in a maximum of 1000 refugees per year and that number is too low for us" or something. Or I suppose one might think that the current situation regarding refugees and imimgrants is totally fine and in control and therefore any action or discussion can only cause harm, but I wouldn't agree with that. Weird foreign people are going underground after getting told to leave. Many poor bastards have to wait for far too long for a decision about whether they can stay. The massively one-sided gender distribution of the people coming in will cause depression and other problems in all the men who can't find a partner. Finding work for people who don't speak Finnish or English is going to be a nightmare. I'm sure other people have found numerous other problematic aspects of this whole circus. Even here I can't remember seeing any satisfying answers to these issues. Even proper acknowledgements that "yeah, pretty much nothing can be done about this" would be more satisfying than the typical blamestorm and name-calling that starts up when someone brings these up. As I've said before, I really do think we should help as many people as we can, but it should be done better than this. While most of the actual problems have to do with how people feel about the current situation, bad feelings could theoretically lead to someone like Trump getting a powerful position. I also worry since we already have enough of our own backwards-thinking people hampering political progress. It is naive to think that people who come to live here would leave their attitudes and opinions in their country of origin. If I'm completely wrong and there have been some thorough debates regarding these subjects, please again educate me.
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Keep in mind that nobody else in politics knows these loving lunatics better then the defectors. This is how far they are willing to go just to not be led by these insane morons!
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bloom posted:Why is he so red? because he's a big crybaby
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bloom posted:Why is he so red? Heart condition.
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DarkCrawler posted:Keep in mind that nobody else in politics knows these loving lunatics better then the defectors. This is how far they are willing to go just to not be led by these insane morons! lol if you think this has something to do with "values" or "ideals"
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Darkest Auer posted:lol if you think this has something to do with "values" or "ideals"
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This day will go down in Finnish history as one of the biggest political events. Machiavelli would be proud.
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Darkest Auer posted:lol if you think this has something to do with "values" or "ideals"
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Darkest Auer posted:lol if you think this has something to do with "values" or "ideals" I don't, I think it has something to do with literal sanity.
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DarkCrawler posted:I don't, I think it has something to do with literal sanity. As far as I know, nobody on Arkadianmäki likes Teuvo Hakkarainen and I don't think Laura, Shewolf of the Perunapelto is very popular either. Eerola, dunno. Talked with him once, he seems like a complete loving idiot.
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DarkCrawler posted:I don't, I think it has something to do with literal sanity. Yes yes, Mestari appeared out of thin air and captured the innocent hearts of the corrupted and dumb people. Luckily Soini & co. suddenly had a divine vision of a new
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bloom posted:Why is he so red? because National Socialism 
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Darkest Auer posted:Yes yes, Mestari appeared out of thin air and captured the innocent hearts of the corrupted and dumb people. Luckily Soini & co. suddenly had a divine vision of a new "Hurskastelu" is a lovely Finnish word and I'm getting a lot of mileage out of it this week. First Orpo's speech yesterday, then the PS remnant handwringing over the poor, and now Soini striking a blow for suvaitsevaisto.
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Darkest Auer posted:Yes yes, Mestari appeared out of thin air and captured the innocent hearts of the corrupted and dumb people. Luckily Soini & co. suddenly had a divine vision of a new Nothing here came out of thin air, it's amazing that nobody had at least some sort of plan of handling the patients who took over the asylum that doesn't make them look like anything else then headless chickens, and particularly hypocritical ones at that Sipilä's literal U-Turn on the way to the President, Jesus Christ lmao
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Kike Elomaa of Uusi Vaihtoehto was interviewed in YLE, and she said one of the main reasons why they left TF was more or less to do with how the Nuiva-wing weren't for the "human side" of TF, but would rather concentrate on just immigration issues. This is something what Soini moaned about Halla-aho and his followers, so I guess that's why so many left. Of course it could just be about money, but since TF was a party for various issues, there's probably a significant ratio of people who didn't feel at home with the new management.
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DarkCrawler posted:Nothing here came out of thin air, it's amazing that nobody had at least some sort of plan of handling the patients who took over the asylum that doesn't make them look like anything else then headless chickens, and particularly hypocritical ones at that Exactly, so what was that about sanity in resigning from your own, literally own, political party?
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This turn of events makes Trump admin pale in comparison. I think the equivalent would be Obama walking into the White House and placing Trump under house arrest
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DarkCrawler posted:I don't, I think it has something to do with literal sanity. This is probably the best thing that could have happened to Halla-aho since he can now blame everything on defectors and can wash himself clean of the poo poo that happened during last two years. In return, Sips got 106 head hallitus propped up by group of greedy morons that aren't bound by puoluekuri. Good loving luck with that.
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throw to first drat IT posted:This is probably the best thing that could have happened to Halla-aho since he can now blame everything on defectors and can wash himself clean of the poo poo that happened during last two years. In return, Sips got 106 head hallitus propped up by group of greedy morons that aren't bound by puoluekuri. Good loving luck with that. I don't see Halla-Aho being much of a danger to anyone unless he can recruit or lift more intellectual power and political operators. If all they have is the man leading the Hakkaraiset and Huhtasaaret. They won't get anywhere in the parliamentary system.
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throw to first drat IT posted:This is probably the best thing that could have happened to Halla-aho since he can now blame everything on defectors and can wash himself clean of the poo poo that happened during last two years. In return, Sips got 106 head hallitus propped up by group of greedy morons that aren't bound by puoluekuri. Good loving luck with that. Maybe, but New Alternative could just drive narrative that Halla-aho is a gently caress THE POOR sociopath who runs on a platform based on hate and who doesn't actually care about you and is only interested in your votes. Remember, the old TF ran on different platforms, and with Halla-aho just concentrating on one, the ones who aren't interested in Halla-aho's will just move elsewhere.
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