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Soul Glo posted:Good Agreed. I'm definitely most excited about the "drafts will be large sets by themselves" change, since I pretty much always just lost interest once the subsequent small set(s) would come out and dilute the draft environment. It almost never felt as good as just 3x Large, so I'll probably be drafting a lot more online now.
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Sickening posted:At least they are doing what is required to fix things. I hope all the people whose opinions got us into this mess are eating humble pie. Sam Stoddard still has a job, so no.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:57
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Well, I don't think I'll be buying into whatever the top Standard deck is for the next couple of years at least.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:58
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Unironically a reasonable life choice imo.
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Star Man posted:Is this what Type 2 was like in 2004? Bannings every month? no, there were two bannings in mirrodin's time in standard. in the first, skullclamp got banned; there were actually multiple archetypes that could win(affinity, Elf&Nail, Goblins), but they were all clamp decks. Then they nuked affinity from orbit when Saviors came out, so like only 3 months before affinity was going to rotate anyway
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Agreed. I'm definitely most excited about the "drafts will be large sets by themselves" change, since I pretty much always just lost interest once the subsequent small set(s) would come out and dilute the draft environment. It almost never felt as good as just 3x Large, so I'll probably be drafting a lot more online now.  , but if people here didn't trust their ability to not overlook screw-ups with only a couple large sets a year, I don't know how they wouldn't overlook more things like cat-twin more often.
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So that Magic Digital Next article they were talking about? Literally nothing. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/magic-digital-next-update-2017-06-13 "Wait until Hascon to find out about the new program with a playable demo!" "Oh also Magic Duels isn't being updated anymore"
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GonSmithe posted:So that Magic Digital Next article they were talking about? Literally nothing. If marvel wasn't banned today their announcements for the day would have been a wet fart. I was not let down by the digital next article though. Its just what I expected. (Nothing)
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Jun 13, 2017 16:09
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Magic Duels is 20x the digital platform that MTGO is currently
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DariusLikewise posted:Magic Duels is 20x the digital platform that MTGO is currently They've got another duels like product in the wings, it just won't be named duels.
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Jun 13, 2017 16:14
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Aww I was hoping to see what happened to modern with stone forge unbanned but ah well
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DariusLikewise posted:Magic Duels is 20x the digital platform that MTGO is currently  Cactrot posted:They've got another duels like product in the wings, it just won't be named duels. It's so far out that they can't tell us anything at all about it, so killing the current program effective immediately is pretty bad.
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Ya'll didn't play during Urza's Block, but combo winter actually almost killed magic. If you didn't play Academy, or run maindeck artifact hate (my fave was Meltdown), it was actual hell on earth to play magic. The only saving grace was that cards weren't as available, so only a few people had the full on decks (and those nerds were netdecking Dojo dorks). I think this year in Standard is actually worse because the hivemind tuning decks and the availability of cards in general. Hot Take: Play kitchen table magic, forsake tournaments, build a bunker and praise Emrakul.
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Maybe I imagined this, but I thought digital next was more of an initiative for magic's digital products than one single code name for a specific product.
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I just want a modern version of Shandalar that I can play multiplayer with.Allstone posted:Aww I was hoping to see what happened to modern with stone forge unbanned but ah well It should happen but never will. Same for Jace. Screw Bloodbraid.
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Allstone posted:Aww I was hoping to see what happened to modern with stone forge unbanned but ah well They weren't gonna make big changes to modern right before GP Vegas.
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Cactrot posted:Maybe I imagined this, but I thought digital next was more of an initiative for magic's digital products than one single code name for a specific product. It is, but they have also referred to their new program as Digital Next, so it caused some confusion.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Holy poo poo they actually did it. I've been playing this deck through two bans, come at me!
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Cactrot posted:Maybe I imagined this, but I thought digital next was more of an initiative for magic's digital products than one single code name for a specific product. It's both because it's a meaningless buzzword tossed around by the same out-of-touch people who think an MMORPG is the way to go in 2017.
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mcmagic posted:They weren't gonna make big changes to modern right before GP Vegas. They wouldn't have gone into effect until Monday, but imagine having to hold your cards for one GP when you know they'd be worthless the day after.
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i still can't believe they're trying to break into the MMO market, but who know maybe the sales in Korea justify it
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So what gets banned next when people get sick of losing to it? Heart of Kiran? Winding Constrictor? Flash Hulk?
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meanolmrcloud posted:Holy crap, what a terrible year for standard. It's really remarkable that they were able to have relatively good stretches of time where things didn't need to be banned, and now all of a sudden they poo poo the bed like 3 times in short succession. Banning 5 distinct cards in standard is kind of insane.
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suicidesteve posted:So what gets banned next when people get sick of losing to it? Heart of Kiran? Winding Constrictor? Flash Hulk? none of those can win the game on turn 4 from any position so i think we're good now
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I'm concerned with the next B&R moving to August that confidence to buy into Grixis Shadow is going to be very high and thus even more prevalent. I think the meta is decent now but I'm expecting even more of a surge in Shadow now.
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Good gently caress Marvel. Kaladesh was a stupid set that pushed every threat or enabled one but no real answers. SOI had somewhat the same problem. If graveyard or artifacts or energy matters then you NEED a way to interact with it to disrupt it or it's not fun. Errant Gin Monks fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Temur Energy isn't T1 anymore if Marvel isn't in the field.
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Tales of Woe posted:none of those can win the game on turn 4 from any position so i think we're good now I mean they got torched by cards that just do unfun poo poo for what turns out to be way too cheap. Getting Mindslavered sucks. Your opponent getting turn 4 Ulamog sucks. Instant win combos suck. Bouncing your dude for a whole turn cycle sucks. Copter is the exception to that, but I suspect copter isn't a safe unban either.
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https://twitter.com/ChannelFireball/status/874644814788046848 CFB offering full refunds on Marvels purchased in the last 30 days.
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Angry Grimace posted:Banning 5 distinct cards in standard is kind of insane. Yeah, I remember playing during Affinity Standard and even with how bad that was, them banning the Artifact Lands, Disciple AND Ravager was absolutely mindblowing. Everyone only expected a Ravager/Disciple ban, banning that many cards in one Standard was unheard of.
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Tales of Woe posted:none of those can win the game on turn 4 from any position so i think we're good now So Snake and Heart, got it.
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mcmagic posted:Temur Energy isn't T1 anymore if Marvel isn't in the field. i like how it was part of their justification for the ban lol, "hey this other deck is good and there def isn't any reason to think the environment might change with one of the top decks banned so just play that instead"
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Temur Energy is probably going to turn back into Jund Energy and replace the blue cards with Snake and Green Gearhulk.
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I really don't understand the people clamoring for a Death's Shadow ban already. It seems like with the recent bannings, people now just want to ban the best deck every B&R update, even if it's just 10% of the meta and not oppressive at all.
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Bonus posted:I really don't understand the people clamoring for a Death's Shadow ban already. It seems like with the recent bannings, people now just want to ban the best deck every B&R update, even if it's just 10% of the meta and not oppressive at all. I play Grixis Death's Shadow and sometimes it does feel like you're getting away with something. I'm not fully on the ban train but it's definitely a deck with a powerful gameplan that you can't really disrupt or hate on with a few sideboard slots. The only deck that I ever feel like I'm an underdog against is Burn.
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Bonus posted:I really don't understand the people clamoring for a Death's Shadow ban already. It seems like with the recent bannings, people now just want to ban the best deck every B&R update, even if it's just 10% of the meta and not oppressive at all. The crowd has had a taste of blood, and now believes that if the complaints are loud enough, they can bend wotc to their whims. Basically expect to see a lot of people saying "they should ban {thing I don't like playing against}" until wizards manages to make a Standard that doesn't suck and we get back to "no bans" being the norm.
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Bonus posted:I really don't understand the people clamoring for a Death's Shadow ban already. It seems like with the recent bannings, people now just want to ban the best deck every B&R update, even if it's just 10% of the meta and not oppressive at all. Some people will ask for a ban for anything. The last open results weren't anything egregious. The day two meta was still a thing of beauty. The sheer number of unique decks is still pretty unrivaled. A deck showing up with 13 copies day two and putting 4 of those in the top8 is not anywhere close to banworthy. Hell, I think you give the majority of good players in the room skred red to play for the open and skred is making the loving top8.
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I have it built too, and it's certainly very powerful. Just like any deck, it might see a ban if it completely dominates the format, but that's nowhere near true right now. People just like to go online and shout to ban decks constantly. Just goes to show how ban happy people are recently. When pod was banned, it was completely dominating the format and people were surprised, but now people expect the top deck to be banned constantly, which is opposite of what is good for the format. Also, I think Junk can be pretty hard to beat as GDS. I played against it yesterday and got my rear end handed to me; the combination of Path to Exile, Abrubt Decay, Lingering Souls and Liliana of the Veil is often too much for the deck to deal with.
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