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paranoid randroid posted:Schumer cant whip for poo poo lmao cmon you old sleaze even Pelosi kept her herd of cats in line on this Chucky Shoom has been ok on trying to contain the Dem civil war but not great at his actual job managing the Dem senate yeah
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ThndrShk2k posted:Sometimes it's literally better than getting involved and then destabilizing another area for 2 generations its been one enormous fuckup after enormous fuckup since the loving first world war. end american imperialism and military adventurism and leave the rest of the world alone militarily
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loquacius posted:Chucky Shoom has been ok on trying to contain the Dem civil war but not great at his actual job managing the Dem senate yeah "uh hi Senator Schumer? yeah its Senator Scumbag. look i need a hall pass on the AHCA vote, on account of my constituency being a bunch of nihilistic boomers who just want someone to smother them in their sleep."
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paranoid randroid posted:Schumer cant whip for poo poo lmao cmon you old sleaze even Pelosi kept her herd of cats in line on this how else would she eat the cats huh? just open her gullet and let the cats march single file right into her
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Agnosticnixie posted:Tragically even if the US dropped all support I suspect May, Trudeau and Macron would still quite happily sell them the gear. It's not just the arms. The US is doing mid-air refueling for the Saudi Air Force, which only the US has the capability of doing for them. Without that they wouldn't be able to do double-tap strikes on weddings and hospitals. Concerned Citizen posted:or putin, for that matter. Russia is not going to supply the KSA.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Anybody? Pharma, hospitals, and insurers all try to exert pressure on each other and none have enough indivudual leverage to do anything and it leads to a ton of petty price squabbles that in the end the consumer pays for. Example: Pharma rep goes to hospital and says "hey try this new technique" and hospital says "no" and pharma goes "gee it'd be shame if your drug supply disappeared" at least that's my understanding, it might be wrong. Point is the profit motive alone isn't the only reason, another reason is the lack of a large negotiating entity in the form of strict regulations that allow for hundreds of private insurers to compete evenly (like in Germany) or a single payer system that can tell all these companies what it's gonna pay or they can pound sand.
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A fun read. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/874627601779884032
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Joementum posted:It's not just the arms. The US is doing mid-air refueling for the Saudi Air Force, which only the US has the capability of doing for them. Without that they wouldn't be able to do double-tap strikes on weddings and hospitals. This is why I don't get western people helping set up schools and stuff over there, even if you aren't taken hostage by one of the militias while you're there, our own government will bomb it within a few years. It's been a pattern for 15 years now.
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But like he didn't win and Macron murdered everyone
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loquacius posted:My interpretation of that stat was that it was based on the spending of Americans in general, not the American government specifically But the American government pays more than other countries correct?
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gently caress it just create a healthcare price control board and be done with it
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zegermans posted:But like contrarianism is a disease
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ex post facho posted:because we have a for profit healthcare system with massive administrative overhead, thats why healthcare is something like $9t, of which something like $500b is due to private insurance We'd still be paying 5% (16.5% vs. current 17%, when OECD average is around 11-12%) more in GDP than other OECD countries if all we did was change our payer model. (calculated another way: United Healthgroup has like 13% market share and made $67b profit, which works out to a rough estimate of insurance industry-wide profit of $515b)
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Concerned Citizen posted:gently caress it just create a healthcare price control board and be done with it We already have one, we just need to extend its authority.
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zegermans posted:But like May didn't win either. Corbyn won people's hearts, despite all odds. He may be onto something.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:healthcare is something like $9t, of which something like $500b is due to private insurance
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zegermans posted:But like neolibs are always harping on about incrementalism im seeing it now and they dont like it so it makes you think that maybe they were just procrastinating on the whole incrementalism thing  should be advocating for inert-ism, the opposite of acceleration-ism
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wonder what the irrelevent left is up to https://twitter.com/fightfor15/status/874457556080631808 well then 
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The comments glorifying Macron and Trudeau are great because they remind me how shallow centrists really are.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:healthcare is something like $9t, of which something like $500b is due to private insurance the big thing in how single payer will drive down costs is provider consolidation, I'd imagine. like how many MRI providers does any given city actually need vs. how many do they have
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quote:House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who has tried in recent weeks to tamp down the talk of impeachment, backed Capuano on Tuesday, the source said. She argued that the Democrats should focus on bread-and-butter issues like the economy while allowing the various investigations into the Russia-Trump saga to play out on their own terms. another bad dem
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Lastgirl posted:neolibs are always harping on about incrementalism My point is I'm not sure the groundswell of leftist support is as big as ya'll think based off a guy who picked up more seats than expected to a person who spent the last few weeks talking about taking Alzheimer's patients homes away from them and hinting at Muslim internment camps when her 20k police officer cuts seemed to backfire.
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look, we're capitalists
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Concerned Citizen posted:another bad dem That reads way more like a "way to phrase this to throw a bone to the left" than "this is pragmatic". Pelosi is a good opposition leader but man she kinda sucks as majority leader in terms of squandering opportunity.
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zegermans posted:My point is I'm not sure the groundswell of leftist support is as big as ya'll think based off a guy who picked up more seats than expected to a person who spent the last few weeks talking about taking Alzheimer's patients homes away from them and hinting at Muslim internment camps when her 20k police officer cuts seemed to backfire. https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/873674408224862210
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quote:Voters for decades were conned into thinking they were noisome minorities whose best path to influence is to make peace with the mightier "center," which inevitably turns out to support military interventionism, fewer taxes for the rich, corporate deregulation and a ban on unrealistic "giveaway" proposals like free higher education. Those are the realistic, moderate, popular ideas, we're told. taibbi accurately describes the posting in C-SPAM ca. October 2015-June 2017
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:the big thing in how single payer will drive down costs is provider consolidation, I'd imagine. well the fact that hospitals/pharma now negotiate with a single insurer that they have to make a deal with will be pretty significant as well, hence why medicare/medicaid can get big cost savings
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this is a dumb take we're blaming dems for rolling over. hth
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joementum pls read, much scare http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_age_of_anger_20170611
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Agean90 posted:wonder what the irrelevent left is up to drat the police were doing old school COINTELPRO on them? That's lovely.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Of course assuming market prices stay the same, which they won't. you're then calling for a near-$3t haircut to the healthcare (care, not insurance) industry and like it's one thing when you've been calling for eliminating the insurance industry, which everyone (or at least everyone who matters to implementing a single payer plan) agrees are parasites the political discussion that's going on around single payer is nowhere near the the "we need to politically go after the AMA" stage we'd need to get there, I don't think
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the Hill pretty much only exists to troll me personally with their insanely lovely ledes
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ex post facho posted:joementum pls read, much scare This is why the right wins, they only need 14 words instead of 3000.
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yeah impeaching trump wouldn't solve the problem, but if it gets em shook, i say keep blowing smoke
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paranoid randroid posted:the Hill pretty much only exists to troll me personally with their insanely lovely ledes honestly at some point i can't even get mad at them, they're just incredibly talented at it and that deserves recognition
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Macron won due to abysmal turnout for parliamentary elections. The only people excited for that election voted for him. The PS pulled an Obama/Clinton and the "French party of socialism" ran to the center and actively told it's base to gently caress off. Where did that get them? Hollande leaves with approval ratings in the single digits, Hamon was 4th in the first round of the presidential elections, and almost wholly annihilated in parliament. People know. But apathy is as much of a choice as voting.
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zegermans posted:This is why the right wins, they only need 14 words instead of 3000. man the second reign of terror is gonna be fukkin' killer
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punk rebel ecks posted:Anybody? many reasons, including but not limited to= 1. medicare and medicaid are legally barred from neogitating over the cost of drugs, which means the drug companies go "yeah this epipen will be a zillion dollars" and medicare has to say "ok" 2. the insurance industry is a completely unnecessary parasitic rent extractor 3. (this is a big one) patents for drugs last a longer time than any other country without price controls. this prevents US companies from making generics, and it was just shown recently that nobody is interesed in letting people import price-controlled canadian drugs 4. general monopolization and cartelization of drug and medical device and software companjes
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