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Aurubin posted:Macron won due to abysmal turnout for parliamentary elections. The only people excited for that election voted for him. The PS pulled an Obama/Clinton and the "French party of socialism" ran to the center and actively told it's base to gently caress off. Where did that get them? Hollande leaves with approval ratings in the single digits, Hamon was 4th in the first round of the presidential elections, and almost wholly annihilated in parliament. This reads like Silent Majority stuff
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Concerned Citizen posted:well the fact that hospitals/pharma now negotiate with a single insurer that they have to make a deal with will be pretty significant as well, hence why medicare/medicaid can get big cost savings 56% are covered by private insurance, which is 33% of spending 37% are covered by Medicare/Medicaid, which is 37% of spending I know there's an older/sicker component to Medicare/Medicaid spending, but I'm not sure that we're gonna see like a 33% drop alone Again, none of this is to say that we shouldn't do single payer - we absolutely should - but I think there's other things at issue involving cost of health care But the good news is post-single payer we can address those cost drivers without financially ruinous effects to individuals
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zegermans posted:My point is I'm not sure the groundswell of leftist support is as big as ya'll think based off a guy who picked up more seats than expected to a person who spent the last few weeks talking about taking Alzheimer's patients homes away from them and hinting at Muslim internment camps when her 20k police officer cuts seemed to backfire. the conservative coalition is going to collapse in the next few months, if not the next few weeks, and another election would be necessary at that point, which
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xposting here to show off the glory of jim messina https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/874640933706452992 quote:In the event, Ms Macleod was humiliated. The election last Thursday ended with a massive 13.6% swing to Labour. Ms Cadbury romped home by 12,182 votes. It was much the same story in other west London marginals: even the Tory bastion of Kensington fell to Labour. quote:After the May bank holiday weekend, with just a week or so to go before polling, local officials received a long e-mail from central office on how the rest of the campaign should be fought. It said:
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Fullhouse posted:the conservative coalition is going to collapse in the next few months, if not the next few weeks, and another election would be necessary at that point, which My point is the real test of the viability of leftist populism in Britain will be if that sustains when May is no longer around to gently caress every chicken she finds in her way
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zegermans posted:This reads like Silent Majority stuff It reads like being able to read the results; France Insoumise's electoral alliance collapsed hard enough that its constituent parties would be first in most of the runoffs had they stuck together.
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ex post facho posted:taibbi accurately describes the posting in C-SPAM ca. October 2015-June 2017
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Shear Modulus posted:3. (this is a big one) patents for drugs last a longer time than any other country without price controls. this prevents US companies from making generics this is not true, btw
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:you're then calling for a near-$3t haircut to the healthcare (care, not insurance) industry really, any healthcare reform has to do that. at the end of the day, a broken leg in the US can cost $20k to fix while it's a couple thousand in the rest of the world. it's not really insurance. you gotta deal with that.
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mormonpartyboat posted:xposting here to show off the glory of jim messina thes epeople will once again run the next campaign and this will happen in the USA inshallah
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maybe if we taxed the rich we could pay for healthcare
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UHD posted:how could the dems actually stop them if there's anything you could filibuster and make a grand show of, this is it
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hi if you're going to talk about how single payer costs would work given the various effects that would have on care distribution and price controls just refer to the NNU/Bernie Think Tank paper that goes over how all of that would go
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:[Gilbert Gottfried Voice] "THE #RESISTANCE!"
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Serf posted:maybe if we taxed the rich we could pay for healthcare I read this, then it brought up that Thatcher quote about socialism in my head, then I remembered she was turbo-dead and it made me smile
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comedyblissoption posted:dems should at least force them to invoke the nuclear option and stage protests further more no one has actually seen this bill. at the least they could shut it down until it's made public
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Condiv posted:at this point the dems are either the most idiotic group of politicians on earth or extremely malicious and cynical pretending to be idiots. in either case, why would you vote for them for leadership? the republicans loving tricked them out of a SC seat, they're tricking them out of ppaca, and they'll probably "trick" them out of social security and medicare next time.
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zegermans posted:I read this, then it brought up that Thatcher quote about socialism in my head, then I remembered she was turbo-dead and it made me smile post the quote
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zegermans posted:My point is the real test of the viability of leftist populism in Britain will be if that sustains when May is no longer around to gently caress every chicken she finds in her way I think it's worth noting that turnout in marginal demographics ballooned -- Corbyn's Labour expanded the electorate. It's not like a pre-existing electorate took a look at both candidates and were turned off by May's performance. They registered and turned out when they ordinarily would have stayed home. That focus on expanding the electorate is something Obama did pretty well in 2008.
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comedyblissoption posted:dems should at least force them to invoke the nuclear option and stage protests you can't filibuster it, mcconnell can simply come up one day and say "we're voting today." the discussion is whether they grind the senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent on bills (forcing a vote on literally everything the senate does), grinding the senate to a halt and loving up the calendar. and the argument from some dems is that mcconnell will simply shift around the calendar when he finds it convenient while blowing up other areas where dems were hoping to gain ground, and some others say it will force him to delay things.
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mormonpartyboat posted:xposting here to show off the glory of jim messina Yeah I've come to the conclusion that Obama won wholly on the merits of being Obama, master orator and campaigner, and that the people who worked for him were almost entirely incidental. Especially after reading that article. They triangulated 10,000 swing voters! And lost by 12,000 in that district!
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zegermans posted:My point is the real test of the viability of leftist populism in Britain will be if that sustains when May is no longer around to gently caress every chicken she finds in her way That's the thing, the Tories don't have anyone of particularly high stature to replace her except maybe BoJo who is a bojoke and anyone worth giving the job to doesn't want it because right now it is a horrible job Hot take: the only way May is leaving the prime ministership is if the Tories lose power completely. Also Macron was elected on a wave of anti-Trump sentiment, not centrist fervor, and continues to sell himself 24/7 as "the new anti-Trump guy" because he knows that's the best thing he can sell without making his donors v angry
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Serf posted:maybe if we taxed the rich we could pay for healthcare Hi i'm Jon Ossoff and my running mate is Hillary Clinton and this is never going to happen, welcome to jackass
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loquacius posted:That's the thing, the Tories don't have anyone of particularly high stature to replace her except maybe BoJo who is a bojoke GOVE! *click*
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The current meme seems to be John Major having a comeback.
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Concerned Citizen posted:you can't filibuster it, mcconnell can simply come up one day and say "we're voting today." the discussion is whether they grind the senate to a halt by withholding unanimous consent on bills (forcing a vote on literally everything the senate does), grinding the senate to a halt and loving up the calendar. and the argument from some dems is that mcconnell will simply shift around the calendar when he finds it convenient while blowing up other areas where dems were hoping to gain ground, and some others say it will force him to delay things.
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there's a lot of frothy indignation lately over the democrats trying to be pragmatic over the gop's "feed poor people into literal meat grinders" bill. i mean, it's not your relatives suffering death by morselization into a pink slime to be sold to mcdonalds so that the poor who haven't been made into grist can afford cheaper mcnuggies. unlike you losers i'm clearly the only adult in the room whose livelihood depends on kissing these pragmatics' asses, so maybe you should calm down and maybe they'll take their time before getting to the rest of us.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:there's a lot of frothy indignation lately over the democrats trying to be pragmatic over the gop's "feed poor people into literal meat grinders" bill. i mean, it's not your relatives suffering death by morselization into a pink slime to be sold to mcdonalds so that the poor who haven't been made into grist can afford cheaper mcnuggies. im so shook rn
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comedyblissoption posted:if this is the case, can you explain to me why was there such a big show about wanting a filibuster proof majority in the senate for the ACA? was it so they could get what the donors wanted and remove the public option and have some fall guys for this unpopular action? you can only pass certain items with reconciliation due to senate rules. that's why big portions of the aca can't be removed with the ahca. the aca needed 60 votes to actually be any sort of healthcare reform. in fact, reconciliation WAS used to pass the "fix" bill to get the house onboard with the aca - the 60 vote bill was passed, followed by the fix bill.
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this having-the-same-avatar thing is pretty fun, honestly.
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im hungry for mcnuggets now
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comedyblissoption posted:if this is the case, can you explain to me why was there such a big show about wanting a filibuster proof majority in the senate for the ACA? was it so they could get what the donors wanted and remove the public option and have some fall guys for this unpopular action? Senate rules classify this as a reconciliation bill, because it's just a deficit-neutral modification to the ACA, so it can't be filibustered and thus only requires a simple majority to pass however the Dems should still absolutely shut down everything and raise hell because the GOP passing a secret shadow bill to kill 20 million people is ridiculously evil and they aren't worth negotiating with
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:this having-the-same-avatar thing is pretty fun, honestly. i was readin ur post rollin my eyes like i do at every cc post and then i read the username and i got my bean freaked good parody 10/10
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:there's a lot of frothy indignation lately over the democrats trying to be pragmatic over the gop's "feed poor people into literal meat grinders" bill. i mean, it's not your relatives suffering death by morselization into a pink slime to be sold to mcdonalds so that the poor who haven't been made into grist can afford cheaper mcnuggies. They just need to literally say that. "We're kinda hosed, if we do something Sessions won't even testify because poo poo would stall and not go further"
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Serf posted:i was readin ur post rollin my eyes like i do at every cc post and then i read the username and i got my bean freaked its easy to just roll your eyes to every post itt including mine
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i'm concerned citizen and the democrats are wholly blameless for losing all of those state and federal seats because the voters simply wouldn't accept the more than generous offer we made to them of a single sheet of paper reading "go gently caress yourselves, we've got corporate chode to chug" when bill clinton was in office. now, if you'll excuse me, mi abuela's deck needs another tongue washing
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Condiv posted:this is a dumb take take it up with joementum condie
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:i'm concerned citizen and the democrats are wholly blameless for losing all of those state and federal seats because the voters simply wouldn't accept the more than generous offer we made to them of a single sheet of paper reading "go gently caress yourselves, we've got corporate chode to chug" when bill clinton was in office. He usually says it's just that it's the way the system works and welp can't really do much about them not changing the system.
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ThndrShk2k posted:I'd be more annoyed over it if the alternative didn't stop Sessions from doing his interviews. it's almost like if democratic leadership had any actual leaders, this wouldn't be the mess they're in right now. i refuse to cut them slack simply because their hands are tied. fuckers never should have gave the republicans enough rope in the first place.
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ThndrShk2k posted:I'd be more annoyed over it if the alternative didn't stop Sessions from doing his interviews. the sessions poo poo doesn't matter. the only thing driving the investigation is constant trump meltdowns and he's not going to suddenly stop doing that
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