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Darkest Auer posted:Exactly, so what was that about sanity in resigning from your own, literally own, political party? Because the people running it now are so fucknut out of their minds that this somehow seemed like the better option? I'm saying that this course of action is so crazy that the Halla-Ahot and Huhtasaaret of the party must be even worse then apparent if they are panicking this much.
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WaltherFeng posted:This turn of events makes Trump admin pale in comparison. I think the equivalent would be Obama walking into the White House and placing Trump under house arrest Let's not exaggerate here. This is peanuts compared to the on-going disintegration of the American system. It's just a sign of how relatively stable and calm everything has been that this is such a big deal.
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Rotacixe posted:I don't see Halla-Aho being much of a danger to anyone unless he can recruit or lift more intellectual power and political operators. If all they have is the man leading the Hakkaraiset and Huhtasaaret. They won't get anywhere in the parliamentary system. ruotsidemokraatit on jo ruotsin toiseksi isoin puolue ja sen puolueen jäsenet on vielä natsimpaa porukkaa
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Rexroom posted:Maybe, but New Alternative could just drive narrative that Halla-aho is a gently caress THE POOR sociopath who runs on a platform based on hate and who doesn't actually care about you and is only interested in your votes. Remember, the old TF ran on different platforms, and with Halla-aho just concentrating on one, the ones who aren't interested in Halla-aho's will just move elsewhere. demarien entiset äänestäjät palasi demareihin jo, ja veikkaan että monet entiset kepun ja hihhulien äänestäjät palasi kanssa vanhojen puolueidensa äänestäjiksi on mahdollista että suurin osa persujen nykykannattajista on halliksia seuraavat gallupit tulevat olemaan mielenkiintoisia
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Hogge Wild posted:demarien entiset äänestäjät palasi demareihin jo, ja veikkaan että monet entiset kepun ja hihhulien äänestäjät palasi kanssa vanhojen puolueidensa äänestäjiksi Soini was already catching poo poo about bending to Cocks, now he ran off and joined them. Halla-aho going on about how it was Soini loving everything up and selling the party to Sipilä will probably convince at least some of the uncertain, who still are the biggest party in Finland.
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throw to first drat IT posted:Soini was already catching poo poo about bending to Cocks, now he ran off and joined them. Halla-aho going on about how it was Soini loving everything up and selling the party to Sipilä will probably convince at least some of the uncertain, who still are the biggest party in Finland. Calling it: when sote/maakuntauudistus gets voted on some of Timo's merry band will flip and gently caress kepu & the cocks over. What have they got to lose? Just lol at getting re-elected at this point, might as well go out with a bang.
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Kok Perskusta lives! https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9667952 They're forming a new party with new name with Terho as the leader and joining the old goverment coalition. What shall they be called? Greatest Finns? Real Finns?
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throw to first drat IT posted:Soini was already catching poo poo about bending to Cocks, now he ran off and joined them. Halla-aho going on about how it was Soini loving everything up and selling the party to Sipilä will probably convince at least some of the uncertain, who still are the biggest party in Finland. I guess he could, but he's such a lazy gently caress he's going to gently caress off to Brussels again and occasionally post racist poo poo on FB. So the vice chairs would have to do that, and they consist of a blisteringly insane lady from Satakunta, an alcoholic who on a good day can buy his own booze from Alko and a Jouni Hynynen cosplayer. Somehow, the nazi takeover of Pers hosed over all three parties in various ways and Sipilä probably managed to make it worse. As he does.
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adhuin posted:Kok Perskusta lives! perusteellisemmat suomalaiset? saas nähdä mitä oikeusoppineet on mieltä tuosta tempusta
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Hogge Wild posted:ruotsidemokraatit on jo ruotsin toiseksi isoin puolue Immigration to Sweden has been on another level. In addition the other parties weren't treating it as much of an issue, so SD had more of a gap to drive a wedge in. PS is going to have to expand to more things than just immigration if they want to survive. I don't think the novo PS roster is that impressive either. They still have more than one person capable of functioning as a minister.
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DarkCrawler posted:Because the people running it now are so fucknut out of their minds that this somehow seemed like the better option? I'm saying that this course of action is so crazy that the Halla-Ahot and Huhtasaaret of the party must be even worse then apparent if they are panicking this much. I understand what you're saying, but it's not a surprise that Hallis has his opinions or that he was going to be the new leader. Especially to Soini and it's definitely not the reason he split from TF.
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Puolueen vpj Teuvo Hakkarainen  Mahtoikohan tuo olla joku tietoinen "fugg u". Mutta hei, Lännen-media kirjoitti koko kässärin jo viime viikolla. Olin skeptinen koska tätä on ennustettu 10 vuotta väärin, mutta kävipä se sittenkin!
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Darkest Auer posted:I understand what you're saying, but it's not a surprise that Hallis has his opinions or that he was going to be the new leader. Especially to Soini and it's definitely not the reason he split from TF. Honestly I still think it was a bit of a surprise that he got elected, I certainly didn't think of it as the likeliest option. What certainly surprised people was Halla-Aho revealing just how much of a sociopath who doesn't understand human reaction and interaction he is by going all Night of the Long Knives in a nanosecond, replacing every leadership position with the absolute worst people publicity-wise while still apparently loving off to Brussels and basically telling everyone who supported Soini that they could kiss his bleached rear end in a top hat for all he cared. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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It was a curse in disguise that Halla-aho won in such an overwhelming way. With the SMP-wing left without power in the party, they had no reason to stay. From what Kike Elomaa told about the events, the idea to splinter developed over the weekend, and on Monday the ball was rolling. This is one reason why compromises are an important political tool.
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Rexroom posted:It was a curse in disguise that Halla-aho won in such an overwhelming way. With the SMP-wing left without power in the party, they had no reason to stay. From what Kike Elomaa told about the events, the idea to splinter developed over the weekend, and on Monday the ball was rolling. joo, ja soinin olisi kannattanut tehdä sellaisia ennen kuin tilanne kasvoi tällaiseksi
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Darkest Auer posted:I understand what you're saying, but it's not a surprise that Hallis has his opinions or that he was going to be the new leader. Especially to Soini and it's definitely not the reason he split from TF. And now Defender of Human Rights Petteri Orpo is in bed with Sampo Terho, between whom and Halla-aho there isn't a nanometer of daylight in policy. If you really look at what happened here it's really just that Terho is slightly better at giving his opinions in a way that doesn't result in prosecution. Eläköön se pieni ero.
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Yeah it is entirely based on these people being loving Trump-level kooks as a combine, not because of policy disagreements. gently caress, Mestari is far further right on economy then Cock, he would have underwritten any cuts in exchange of seeing bit more Muslim suffering.
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Ummm, I don't really understand anything about politics, so does this splinter mean that The Master and his ruudinkeksijä goons are basically hosed now? Or does it mean that The Master and his minions are the only people left?
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I've love to hear who the UV people think their voter base is now. I'm not really seeing anything but a political limbo in their future. The left will reject them because of their past and current policies, and the right probably hates them more than anyone now. Meanwhile PS no longer has to pretend they're anything but far-right now, and with no more herranpelko and kurinpalautuksia from saying the wrong things.
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Gortarius posted:Ummm, I don't really understand anything about politics, so does this splinter mean that The Master and his ruudinkeksijä goons are basically hosed now? Or does it mean that The Master and his minions are the only people left? The only people left in the original Treaty Persus. They have a bright future as your average European forever protest party that the other parties avoid like plague. The Provisional Republican Persus are kinda hosed, though as this means that this nightmare monster of a government keeps shambling along, everyone is. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Antti posted:And now Defender of Human Rights Petteri Orpo is in bed with Sampo Terho, between whom and Halla-aho there isn't a nanometer of daylight in policy. If you really look at what happened here it's really just that Terho is slightly better at giving his opinions in a way that doesn't result in prosecution. Eläköön se pieni ero. There's also the issue of trust. Sipilä and Stubb (and then Orphan) built a relationship with Soini. Soini brought in a bunch of his trusted sycophants, including Sampo the Chosen. Halla's language has consistently been that "we will stick to the hallitusohjelma*" where the * footnote is that he wants to apply the immigration policy differently from SSS or SOS. And then he told all of the current TF ministers to get hosed so he could give the briefcases to his own trusted sycophants. Also even Sipilä and Orpo felt that being filmed shaking hands with Mestari would have made them look like buddying with a sinister, cold-hearted vampire who feeds on human suffering.
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Nenonen posted:Also even Sipilä and Orpo felt that being filmed shaking hands with Mestari would have made them look like buddying with a sinister, cold-hearted vampire who feeds on human suffering. Honestly, it wasn't Sipilä. His weird blathering about values yesterday ("there are no good or bad values, just different values") showed that he simply didn't even get what was going on and why the Orphan Boy is recoiling in horror from Doctor HIV. This has happened a whole lot during his tenure as PM.
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Nenonen posted:There's also the issue of trust. Sipilä and Stubb (and then Orphan) built a relationship with Soini. Soini brought in a bunch of his trusted sycophants, including Sampo the Chosen. Halla's language has consistently been that "we will stick to the hallitusohjelma*" where the * footnote is that he wants to apply the immigration policy differently from SSS or SOS. And then he told all of the current TF ministers to get hosed so he could give the briefcases to his own trusted sycophants. This was the line Sipilä gave and that's fine. Because Sipilä indeed gave the "there are no wrong values only different values" speech. Orpo's the hypocrite here, and Sipilä's gaping hollow of a moral centre has flown under the radar. If you wanted to claim that mantle, you shouldn't have gone to government with them with that program in the first place. The same works the other way around for PS and defending the poor.
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Ligur posted:Indeed, Antti. Reading the absolutely terrible analysis here has made it all the better. People and the little bubbles they live in 
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https://twitter.com/JaniMakelaFi/status/873083450210754561 https://twitter.com/JaniMakelaFi/status/873092649275629568 in which a PS MP takes a satirical piece seriously
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Antti posted:Packalen didn't defect and actually questioned the defections. Lots of bad blood being generated this week. Couldn't have happened to a worse party. KOK KESK and SDP are literally just as bad if for different reasons.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Reading the absolutely terrible analysis here has made it all the better. People and the little bubbles they live in What do you mean, exactly? Not loving with you or anything. I personally don't really have much of an analysis to begin with...
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http://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005253351.htmlquote:Hakkarainen sanoo, ettei haukkuminen muutenkaan kuulu hänen tyyliinsä. 
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:Alternative Finns Alternative für Finnland.
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Ligur posted:What do you mean, exactly? There's also the whining about how the coalition won't kick out PS (before it actually happened) because they're amoral too/they believe the same things as Halla-Aho and then once it happened the analysis about how Sampo Terho's wing is exactly the same as Halla-Aho's wing so there's no way except a coalition with KD + RKP. Also, not to toot my own horn, but Geriatric Pirate posted:Because PS were doing nothing in government and they'll be replaced by RKP and KD who are going to slow down the new alcohol law and get that hospital in Vaasa. Not that it was possible to govern with Halla-Aho, it's just annoying that they elected him in the first place.
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Soini published a blog post about the day's events. The server is down, probably because of HACKERS, but Kaleva described the post. Basically Soini had a hunch something was up, and the tension rose between the two wings the closer we got to 10th of June.Kaleva posted:Soini kirjoittaa tiistai-iltana julkaisemassa blogissaan, että hän aavisti tulevat muutoksen tuulet jo aikoja sitten.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Right now, this idea that somehow left-wing people will not vote for either PS again. If the breakoff party falls, it'll be for many other reasons related to being a splinter party. ideologisesti ei ole olemassa mitään terholaisia, ne on kaikki mestarin opetuslapsia
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So, this means that the old style Persu party will be completely dead and gone in the next election? It's Hitlers all the way down from now on and any old SMP remnants will join SDP or Kepu or something? It's gonna be really interesting to see what kind of polling the new Hitler party gets once things have settled a little. I predict it will go up significantly from whatever the latest number before the split was.
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