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MechaCrash posted:Ah, so that's it. I know you might as well Royal Road the shittier cards, but I thought that there might be some advantage to getting rid of the buff instead of just tossing it on someone. I don't have Royal Road yet, though, and given a choice between "throw Ewer in the trash" and "gently caress it use it on myself," may as well use it. Right now you might as well toss 'em on whoever will get a bit of a benefit, yeah. Once you get royal road and spread things change a bit.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The death of the White Mage is extremely exaggerated, and while they're going to be "suboptimal" for savage raid progression, they look like they're going to be a fine for literally everything else. Most of their weaknesses from Heavensward have been addressed, they're going to have the highest personal dps of the healers, and their healing throughput is still amazing. Their post 60 lilies and confession mechanics are bad, sure, but they're still a perfectly serviceable job. I'd wager that taking into consideration everything that we know now, they're better than 3.0 ASTs. Yeah now that I've actually read up on how the lilies mechanic works I can see why people are mad about it but it sounds like you can just like...completely ignore it and still have as much fun being a whm as you were having in 3.x. I think I'll probably do that, I like WHM. They'll probably fix it and make it better anyway, if the reaction to it is so universally negative.
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And now for my PS4 alt! Mileena Denma Voted Most Likely to trade in her fists for bullets "It's like I can punch them from 30 yalms away!"
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah now that I've actually read up on how the lilies mechanic works I can see why people are mad about it but it sounds like you can just like...completely ignore it and still have as much fun being a whm as you were having in 3.x. I think I'll probably do that, I like WHM. Thin Air by itself is going to make white mages dungeon monsters regardless of anything else.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah now that I've actually read up on how the lilies mechanic works I can see why people are mad about it but it sounds like you can just like...completely ignore it and still have as much fun being a whm as you were having in 3.x. I think I'll probably do that, I like WHM. It feels like a lot of whinging. WHM has always been the best straight healer, and people expecting that to change are out of their gourds; if you want to ignore healing and focus on DPS for fast clears, play SCH. Stormblood WHM is a progression of what they do now, and honestly, was anyone who actually enjoys playing WHM clamoring for a change? As far as I can tell, people who found it mechanically shallow moved on to the other healers, and everyone else appreciated how straightforward it is to play.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah now that I've actually read up on how the lilies mechanic works I can see why people are mad about it but it sounds like you can just like...completely ignore it and still have as much fun being a whm as you were having in 3.x. I think I'll probably do that, I like WHM. I don't really expect SE to legit fix lillies during 4.X - the fact that they thought cooldown reduction was useful at all, particularly when you can't control it, demonstrates that they don't really understand the issue. I'm sure we'll see some "fix by math" solutions thrown at us over the patch cycle like an increased reduction per lilly like we did with AST though. That said you're still right, whm is mostly still great, just with a boring, bad mechanic tacked on and a shittier stoneskin for some reason. Their new MP cooldown is insanely strong, reduced cooldown on Assize is obviously great (particularly now that it always does full damage and healing), their personal dps is the best of the healers, and Holy is Holy. WHM is like, by far the best dungeon healer based off what we know now. I certainly won't try to stop someone from playing AST though, that job looks loving bananas in SB. I have no idea how they got buffed so much AND got to keep 20% Balance. I have a feeling that the job will be a no brainer for any raiding group trying to progress.
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CeallaSo posted:It feels like a lot of whinging. WHM has always been the best straight healer, and people expecting that to change are out of their gourds; if you want to ignore healing and focus on DPS for fast clears, play SCH. Stormblood WHM is a progression of what they do now, and honestly, was anyone who actually enjoys playing WHM clamoring for a change? As far as I can tell, people who found it mechanically shallow moved on to the other healers, and everyone else appreciated how straightforward it is to play. This is a super weird post
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CeallaSo posted:if you want to ignore healing and focus on DPS for fast clears, play SCH Good news! This is getting "fixed" too.
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CeallaSo posted:It feels like a lot of whinging. WHM has always been the best straight healer, and people expecting that to change are out of their gourds; if you want to ignore healing and focus on DPS for fast clears, play SCH. Stormblood WHM is a progression of what they do now, and honestly, was anyone who actually enjoys playing WHM clamoring for a change? As far as I can tell, people who found it mechanically shallow moved on to the other healers, and everyone else appreciated how straightforward it is to play. Part of the problem is that this isn't really true. AST currently heals as well or better than WHM, spends less MP doing it, and also has better MP regen. The media event tool tips, even the presumably more correct famitsu ones, suggest that AST walks up and down WHM's face on healing power.
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What's changing for sch? I did try googling but all I could find were videos which I don't want to watch at work
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Klades posted:Part of the problem is that this isn't really true. AST currently heals as well or better than WHM, spends less MP doing it, and also has better MP regen. The media event tool tips, even the presumably more correct famitsu ones, suggest that AST walks up and down WHM's face on healing power. Proper use of Cure III still tips the scale in WHM's favor for healing throughput. Add on top of that Assize, Asylum, Tetra, Bene, and WHM stomps on AST. The real question though, is whether all that extra healing power is ever needed for the toughest content.
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Ainsley McTree posted:What's changing for sch? I did try googling but all I could find were videos which I don't want to watch at work Bane is super-nerfed, Bio/Bio II are being merged with the new auto-upgrade system so you can't keep both running at once, Blizzard 2 and Aero aren't in the new cross-role system so you're losing access to those, and Shadow Flare is now an OGCD that can't hit 100% uptime. Outside of the actual DPS skills, Aetherflow restores less MP, and with the auto-upgrade you're basically forced into using the MP-expensive skills more often.
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Countblanc posted:I don't really expect SE to legit fix lilies during 4.X - the fact that they thought cooldown reduction was useful at all, particularly when you can't control it, demonstrates that they don't really understand the issue. I'm sure we'll see some "fix by math" solutions thrown at us over the patch cycle like an increased reduction per lily like we did with AST though. Cure 2 has a 100% chance of granting a lily. The build they had at the media thing was a month out of date and they'd already fixed the fact that lilies were completely unreliable.
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Ainsley McTree posted:What's changing for sch? I did try googling but all I could find were videos which I don't want to watch at work Scholar AOE in general is getting nerfed into the ground. Bane is -20% damage for each target after the first with a floor of 20%. This effectively halves the damage of Bane. Shadowflare is now an ogcd with only 50% uptime. They're also losing Miasma 2, as well as Blizzard 2, so now they have no AOE direct damage abilities. Scholar AOE is basically going from the best sustainable AOE to utter garbage.
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MechaCrash posted:Cure 2 has a 100% chance of granting a lily. The build they had at the media thing was a month out of date and they'd already fixed the fact that lilies were completely unreliable. Sorry I was probably unclear, I don't mean generating them, I mean not being able to effectively choose how to spend them. Fights in FFXIV are heavily telegraphed and you know when you're going to be using each cooldown during fights, so getting 7-25 seconds shaved off Benediction's 3 minute cooldown won't actually change anything. But more importantly, even if it DID change things, your lilies are immediately consumed the second you cast one of the appropriate abilities and it may not be the one you want or have enough charges to really matter. Cooldown reduction is just not very useful for healers (or really anyone but especially healers), doubly so when you have so little control over it. This isn't even touching on how little you want to be casting Cure/Cure2 if you can help it.
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Yeah, Lillies should be able to generate on crit regen ticks as well, since regen is what you lean on most as a white mage.
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Klades posted:Part of the problem is that this isn't really true. AST currently heals as well or better than WHM, spends less MP doing it, and also has better MP regen. The media event tool tips, even the presumably more correct famitsu ones, suggest that AST walks up and down WHM's face on healing power. Looking at only potencies largely ignores the fact that WHM has/had a large selection of heals suited for mostly any situation that means it's probably the best straight healer. The fact you have Regen, both Medicas, Cure 1 to 3, Tetra, Assize and Benny should really have been a sign that maybe giving them more buttons to make people better isn't especially necessary. No one uses Cure III correctly so no players know to actually stack in a stack bit to get hit by it but that spell is the poo poo.
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What class has the most sleeveless glamour options? MNK? This will probably determine the class I play in SB, because nothing else is helping me decide.
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This man is a hero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBLsjnqcXsI
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Countblanc posted:This man is a hero lol that's gotta be the same guy from this reddit post this morning Ran into a fully geared DRK using nothing but Flash through an entire Sohm Al Hard run. Didn't even autoattack.
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He almost makes me want to respec my PLD relic to all parry and meld out parry/piety wherever i can so i can be a flashpld.
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Mr. Nice! posted:He almost makes me want to respec my PLD relic to all parry and meld out parry/piety wherever i can so i can be a flashpld. It's particularly ingenious as DRK since you have so much zero-dps mana recovery.
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It's me, I'm the one that doesn't get the joke. vv thanks, had a chuckle
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Rainuwastaken posted:It's me, I'm the one that doesn't get the joke. if healers don't have to dps, why should tanks?
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Countblanc posted:It's particularly ingenious as DRK since you have so much zero-dps mana recovery. good point. only recovery without DPS on PLD is shelltron or potions.
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CeallaSo posted:It feels like a lot of whinging. WHM has always been the best straight healer, and people expecting that to change are out of their gourds; if you want to ignore healing and focus on DPS for fast clears, play SCH. Stormblood WHM is a progression of what they do now, and honestly, was anyone who actually enjoys playing WHM clamoring for a change? As far as I can tell, people who found it mechanically shallow moved on to the other healers, and everyone else appreciated how straightforward it is to play. The problem is that every HP healed past "enough healing for people not to die" is wasted, and every other healer can output vastly more than enough healing for people not to die, which makes WHM worse than every other healer.
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Riftling posted:What class has the most sleeveless glamour options? MNK? This will probably determine the class I play in SB, because nothing else is helping me decide. Monkey Monk. Ninja comes in second since it shares some designs with monk.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:if healers don't have to dps, why should tanks? We won't have to worry about this in a few days as healers won't be able to DPS in the first place
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strong bird posted:We won't have to worry about this in a few days as healers won't be able to DPS in the first place I am looking forward to monktanking every dungeon by default. The healer isn't dpsing anyway so he has the GCDs to keep me alive right?
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strong bird posted:We won't have to worry about this in a few days as healers won't be able to DPS in the first place What are you basing this on exactly?
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UHD posted:What are you basing this on exactly? The updated ToS makes casting damaging spells other than Assize a reportable offense. It's strange but I suppose it isn't my game.
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