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A 21 year old defenseman was inconsistent? What a loving bum.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:A 21 year old defenseman was inconsistent? What a loving bum. That's pretty generous. Inconsistent implies that he sometimes plays well. 11 points in 44 games doesn't indicate that he played well on offence, and his fancystat comparisons are people like Zack Bogosian and Erik Gudbranson. If he doesn't play well this upcoming year, the Oilers need to look elsewhere.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:41
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The Golden Man posted:Trying to figure out who'll be taken from the oilers. Jujhar Khaira, Griffin Reinhart, pouliot or brossoit. See ya juj I guess? Ya probably.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:42
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That's pretty generous. Inconsistent implies that he sometimes plays well. 11 points in 44 games doesn't indicate that he played well on offence, and his fancystat comparisons are people like Zack Bogosian and Erik Gudbranson. If he doesn't play well this upcoming year, the Oilers need to look elsewhere. This is really bad and wrong. His points/60 at 5x5 had him at number 68 in the league for defensemen with 500 minutes or more.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:51
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:This is really bad and wrong. Made a mistake, that was his 15-16 #'s. My bad. I still think he's a poor defender, but a lot of puck movers are. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Jun 13, 2017 17:55
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If you look at literally every stat from 15/16 to 16/17 he made huge strides. He's fine.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:59
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Darnell Nurse in 2015/16 was not good, and should've been sent back to Bakersfield. Darnell Nurse in 2016/17 was much better, and earned his place in the line-up. Darnell Nurse in 2017/18 will be even better.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:01
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Benson Cunningham posted:I won't try to defend Matta this post season because his performance was indefensible. That said, he's gone through a lot in the past two years. Not just injuries, but surgery to remove malignant tumors as well. Prior to this year, he has actually been pretty good. If the story about him still needing to figure out his thyroid meds is true then I'd be willing to give him a pass. That said I still don't know even if he rebounds to where he was that his style is necessarily the most benefit to our system. I still think you put him in a system a bit more slow and deliberate and you'll be reading story after story about how he miraculously rebounds. Plus I think you get more out of a trade dealing Maatta than you would Hagelin.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:09
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Been thinking about a protected list for the Sharks and I just don't even know. A year of Thornton Couture Pavelski Hertl? Burns Vlasic ... Jones Good lord.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:10
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seems pretty easy to pick to me: Thornton, Couture, Pavelski, Hertl, Karlsson, Tierney, and then either Hansen or Boedker Burns, Vlasic, Braun Jones
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Jun 13, 2017 18:24
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Tell me more about how they should keep the defenceman who's got 20 points in over 100 games and can't defend for poo poo despite being 6'4 22 is way too early to give up on a defenseman
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Jun 13, 2017 18:24
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If you are wanting to watch hockey you should watch the Summit Series on youtube, this poo poo is incredibly entertaining and if you're like me, you don't know who won each game other than game 8. I'd pay a lot of money to watch this era of hockey in 4k on my bigass TV.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:27
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27 is the age you want to give up on a defenseman, for an older more expensive one.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:27
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i'm not saying they are similar players but consider, for example, victor hedman's first couple nhl seasons before you give up on a 21 year old defenseman
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Jun 13, 2017 18:34
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And it's funny that you guys are talking about Nurse who is 21-22 because I feel like Pens fans forget that Maatta is also 22 and he had loving cancer.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:40
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Detroit Nielsen Zetterberg Nyquist Tatar Mantha Athanasiou Green, I guess Mrazek And then who gives a poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:42
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Aphrodite posted:27 is the age you want to give up on a defenseman, for an older more expensive one. Somehow the idea of Marc Bergevin being a Bruins fan living in Toronto makes a lot of sense. VVVVV He only has two years of professional service so he's not eligible for the expansion draft.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:46
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Did the wings get rid of Larkin?
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Jun 13, 2017 18:46
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bewbies posted:If you are wanting to watch hockey you should watch the Summit Series on youtube, this poo poo is incredibly entertaining and if you're like me, you don't know who won each game other than game 8. I'd pay a lot of money to watch this era of hockey in 4k on my bigass TV. There's a pretty good docudrama about the series called Canada Russia '72. It's pretty long but it's definitely worth watching.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:50
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funny Star Wars parody posted:Did the wings get rid of Larkin? he's exempt because he's only played 2 years of pro hockey
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Jun 13, 2017 18:51
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Los Angeles Kopitar Toffoli Pearson Carter I guess Gaborik's recapture isn't too bad but the new FO might not want to risk it so let's put him here why not I don't even know at this point I guess Lewis maybe? Do you have to protect a full 7+3 (or 8 skaters)? Please for the love of sweet baby Xenu not Brown Doughty Martinez Muzzin Quick oh well at least hideously overpaying him because a Cup got another Cup
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Jun 13, 2017 18:53
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dustin brown not being the captain anymore helps but i think they protect him like how doan is getting protected
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Jun 13, 2017 18:56
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Jamwad Hilder posted:he's exempt because he's only played 2 years of pro hockey phew if we can keep our young stars it will be a net positive for us
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Jun 13, 2017 19:00
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funny Star Wars parody posted:if we can keep our young stars it will be a net positive for us so Larkin
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Jun 13, 2017 19:04
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Jamwad Hilder posted:so Larkin Is athanasiou bad now?
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Jun 13, 2017 19:04
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hifi posted:dustin brown not being the captain anymore helps but i think they protect him like how doan is getting protected Yeah I would have put someone I hoped to be the actual protected F7 if I had any hope he wouldn't be the protected F7.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:05
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These are the Habs I would protect Plekanec, Patches, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Danault, Hudon, Radulov Petry, Weber, Davidson or Beaulieu (Therrien hosed up Beaulieu pretty bad, I'm leaning toward Davidson) Carey The Montreal Canadiens front office will probably protect Shaw or Emelin instead.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:07
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funny Star Wars parody posted:Is athanasiou bad now? He seems like he'll be a perfectly fine middle-six forward but nothing special.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:13
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Stiev Awt posted:These are the Habs I would protect Or? You mean 'and'.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:16
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If Matta does have screwed up thyroid numbers that would explain a lot. If that's the case,you'd have a far better argument for protecting him. On a different note, Is it under 2 years a pro that is exempt or under 2 years in the NHL?
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Jun 13, 2017 19:17
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Stiev Awt posted:These are the Habs I would protect I would take Byron over Plex. Ain't no way Vegas would take him.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:19
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Stiev Awt posted:These are the Habs I would protect why would you protect a UFA
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stab posted:why would you protect a UFA 
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Jun 13, 2017 19:21
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Hip Now and Wow! posted:If Matta does have screwed up thyroid numbers that would explain a lot. If that's the case,you'd have a far better argument for protecting him. 2 years or under in NA pro (NHL, AHL, ECHL), excluding any ATOs that rookies usually sign with their NHL's AHL team.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:22
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Jamwad Hilder posted:He seems like he'll be a perfectly fine middle-six forward but nothing special. Statistically Athanasiou is actually really drat good. Over the past 2 seasons he's behind only Matthews in terms of goals/60 (min. 1000 minutes) and is #32 in points/60 at even strength. Obviously there is context missing from those numbers but he's also likely to improve since he's only 22 and he also has been skating alongside some pretty crappy Detroit forwards for most of his time there, often on the 3rd or 4th line. I'd say Athanasiou is likely a top line talent (if not now then soon) who is being held back by some questionable coaching decisions.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:29
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:And it's funny that you guys are talking about Nurse who is 21-22 because I feel like Pens fans forget that Maatta is also 22 and he had loving cancer. maatta's big problem is that his foot speed is completely terrible so his typical young defenseman mistakes are amplified by the fact that he has zero ability to recover from them and as a result he's failing the eye test all over the place for even people with no hockey knowledge i mean we're talking about a player who got torched in a foot race by bobby ryan here
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Jun 13, 2017 19:36
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All I know is Nashville is going to go 4-4-1. No way they expose their first two pairings. Johansen and Forsberg are also probably going to be protected, but the other two forwards are up in the air.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:38
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Jamwad Hilder posted:seems pretty easy to pick to me: For one, I wouldn't protect Karlsson, or probably Tierney (only reason I'd consider it is he's 22), over Donskoi, who had had a down year and missed considerable time with an injury. I kinda feel like if it could be said to be easy, it's in part in the sense that after the first 3 or 4 forwards, it doesn't even matter, and in part because some of the people we'd want to protect are exempt anyway. But it's hard to look at the team over this past season and, beyond that first handful, see any player as being of particular importance, or an improvement over 3 or 4 others.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:40
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Someone tell me which one of Olli's meds has the side effects of "May cause drowsiness, headaches, turnovers with machine-like-consistency, anal leakage" because I'm pretty sure he had 2 of those throughout the playoffs.
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They're gonna lose a good player somehow unless they do something. Hockey twitter keeps agitating on selling high on Josi as his league rep seems to outweigh his actual ranking (PK subban is not a top pairing blablablabla) and thus allow them to go 7-3-1 but I can't believe Poile would have the gumption to do that. Although he did trade Seth Jones and Weber so who knows.
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