Hillary Clinton has a book about the election now

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OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Kainser posted:

I mean, Winston Churchill managed to lose an election right after winning WW2 which seems like a pretty Jeb! move.

Maybr he lost because he said "good job lads, we won the war. Now let's invade Russia" and pretty much every sane person said "gently caress no, get out"

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Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

He lost because he said "good job lads, we won the war. Now let's invade Russia" and pretty much every sane person said "gently caress no, get out"

And look where it got them smh

# ? Jun 11, 2017 21:16

Tallgeese: May 11, 2008; MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

He lost because he said "good job lads, we won the war. Now let's invade Russia" and pretty much every sane person said "gently caress no, get out"

loving Putin stooges!

# ? Jun 11, 2017 21:17

nigga crab pollock: Mar 26, 2010; by Lowtax

VideoTapir posted:

Donald Trump, mike pence, ted Cruz, Steve bannon....

Nancy pelosi sucks because she's willing to treat symptoms but never the disease.

both of them can suck the poo poo out of my rear end in a top hat but how deluded do you have to be to think that Killary Clinton is less likeable than Donald J "two scoops" Trump

Trump is a never ending fountain of hilarity, misplaced bravado, and sheer incompetence to the level people mistake it for malice. He's hanlons razor personified

Hillary is uh... mi abuela?

# ? Jun 11, 2017 21:28

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

People are going to remember that abuela thing for generations. It's gonna be talked about in political science classes opposite things like the daisy ad.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 21:31

phasmid: Jan 16, 2015; Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

Blue Train posted:

Mitt was poo poo

8.�"My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico... and had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino." -Mitt Romney, in leaked comments from a Florida fundraiser, May 17 2012

Fun fact: a couple generations ago many Mormons moved to Mexico in protest to United States anti-polygamy laws. Also laws against marrying children. I'm sure that's not Mitt's legacy, though. He's a piece of poo poo by his own merit.

People laugh at Trump's spray-tan and rightly so, but Mitt was the guy who used it once only because he had an interview on Univision. He shoulda just talked through a puppet or some poo poo...

e. Not saying it's legal to be a polygamist or a child-fucker in Mexico. I'm pretty sure it isn't. However, it was easier for them to avoid scrutiny in a place where their bad rep didn't follow them.

I am however saying there are too many puppets in Mexico and this must be stopped.

phasmid fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jun 11, 2017

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Maya Fey: Jan 22, 2017

the adderall retard has done it again

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/873682890160304128

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:02

Andorra: Dec 12, 2012

Blue Train posted:

Mitt was poo poo

1.�"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.

... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." -Mitt Romney, in leaked comments from a fundraiser in May 2012

2.�"Corporations are people, my friend ... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings, my friend." —Mitt Romney to a heckler at the Iowa State Fair who suggested that taxes should be raised on corporations as part of balancing the budget (August 2011)

3.�"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem." –Mitt Romney, suggesting it would be a good idea to crack a window at 35,000 feet, Beverly Hills fundraiser, Sept.

22, 2012

4.�"I like being able to fire people who provide services to me." –Mitt Romney, using an unfortunate choice of words while advocating for consumer choice in health insurance plans (January 2012)

5.�"I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there." —Mitt Romney (January 2012)

6."I went to a number of women's groups and said 'Can you help us find folks?' and they brought us whole binders full of women." —Mitt Romney, on staffing his cabinet while he was governor of Massachusetts, presidential debate, Oct.

16, 2012

7.�"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs." —Mitt Romney, during the second presidential debate
"Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs." —Mitt Romney, 45 minutes later (Oct. 16, 2012)

8.�"My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico... and had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino." -Mitt Romney, in leaked comments from a Florida fundraiser, May 17 2012

9.�"It's hard to know just how well [the�2012 London Olympics] will turn out. There are a few things that were disconcerting. The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials, that obviously is not something which is encouraging." –Mitt Romney, insulting Britain on the eve of the Olympics by suggesting the country is not ready, NBC News interview, July 25, 2012

10.�"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in.

That's the America I love." –Mitt Romney (January 2012)

Bonus Quotes:

"Actually, I didn't say that." –Mitt Romney, when asked about his oft-cited quote that 47 percent of Americans can't be persuaded to take personal responsibility, Washington Post interview, July 28, 2013

"Tomorrow we begin a new tomorrow." –Mitt Romney on his final day of campaigning, Nov. 5, 2012

"We use Ann sparingly right now so that people don't get tired of her." –Mitt Romney, referring to his wife while speaking to a room of wealthy donors in Florida, May 17, 2012

"I think the best answer is as little as possible." –Mitt Romney, when asked what he wears to bed at night, interview with ABC's "LIVE! with Kelly and Michael," Sept. 14, 2012

"The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached. ...

An apology for America’s values is never the right course. ... The statement that came from the administration was — was a statement which is akin to apology and I think was a — a severe miscalculation." –Mitt Romney, attempting to politicize the killings of American diplomats in Libya by falsely accusing�President Obama�of apologizing for America and getting the facts of the situation backwards (Sept. 12, 2012)

"Is $100,000 middle income?" -George Stephanopoulos
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less." -Mitt Romney, ABC's "Good Morning America," Sept. 14, 2012

"When you give a speech you don't go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important." –Mitt Romney, when asked about failing to mention the troops in his nomination speech at the�Republican National Convention, Fox News interview (Sept. 7, 2012)

"Join me in welcoming the next president of the United States, Paul Ryan." –Mitt Romney, committing a gaffe while introducing his running mate, Norfolk, Va., Aug. 11, 2012

"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." —Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney's net worth is over $200 million.

"[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs." –Mitt Romney, campaigning for president in Michigan (February 2012)

"I'll tell you what, ten-thousand bucks? $10,000 bet?" –Mitt Romney, attempting to make a wager with Rick Perry during a Republican presidential debate to settle a disagreement about health care (December 2011)

"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air." —Mitt Romney in 2007, responding to criticism from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals following revelations that he had once put the family dog in a carrier and strapped it to the roof of his car during a 12-hour road trip

"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners." —Mitt Romney, after being asked whether he follows NASCAR racing (February 2012)

"There were a couple of times I wondered whether I was going to get a pink slip" –Mitt Romney, attempting to identify with the problems of average folk (January 2012)

"I'm not sure about these cookies.

They don't look like you made them. No, no. They came from the local 7/11 bakery, or whatever." —Mitt Romney, visiting a local bakery while campaigning in Pittsburgh, PA, April 17, 2012 (The owner of the baker later told MSNBC he was offended by Romney's remarks.)

"I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." —Mitt Romney to a group of NASCAR fans wearing plastic ponchos at the Daytona 500 (February 2012)

"Who let the dogs out? Who, who." –Mitt Romney, during an�awkward photo op�with a group of African Americans kids at a Martin Luther King Day parade (January 2008)

"I'm Wolf Blitzer and yes, that's my real name." —CNN's Wolf Blitzer at the beginning of a November 2011 Republican presidential debate
"I'm Mitt Romney—and yes Wolf, that's also my first name." —Mitt Romney, getting his own name wrong (his first name is "Willard," and his middle name is "Mitt")

"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was." —Mitt Romney (May 17, 2012)

Hmm sounds like Mitt needed Lena Dunham on his team

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Harveygod: Jan 4, 2014; YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

Cross-posting:

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Maya Fey: Jan 22, 2017

very good

https://twitter.com/rachelmillman/status/874478402606174209

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christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

It sounds like they're also holding out hope that the fractures in the GOP will be enough to kill it and that if they go nuclear then it will just unite the GOP.

Which is certainly *an* argument, I'll say that much for it.

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super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

Dr. Carwash posted:

yeah a jew socialist from vermont that nobody had heard of until the primary barely lost to her. I don't think you "get" how these things work. Remember, Obama barely eked out a win against hillary, and he was a god tier campaigner. Hillary effectively started 2/3 laps ahead of Bernie and still almost managed to gently caress it up.

If Bernie had won the primary, he wouldn't have been at a disadvantage anymore going into the general.

In other words, Bernie would have won.

Yeah, he was pulling in the valuable people who don't just blindly throw their vote behind whoever has (D) on the ballot demographic in record levels and would've done well with Republicans who dislike Trump but not as much as they hate Hillary.

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Toadvine: Mar 16, 2009; Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

She's been quiet these last few...

...too quiet...

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OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Toadvine posted:

She's been quiet these last few...

...too quiet...

I assume she's been hospitalized again

# ? Jun 13, 2017 17:55

Duck and Cover: Apr 6, 2007

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I assume she's been hospitalized again

We can't all be as healthy as Trump.

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VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Just watch as Donald Trump lives to 110.

# ? Jun 13, 2017 18:03

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

He eats like poo poo and believes any exercise only brings him closer to death. Every moment of life he enjoys is a miracle.

# ? Jun 13, 2017 18:04

Toadvine: Mar 16, 2009; Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I assume she's been hospitalized again

I assume it's the Lynch stuff that's got her spooked

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nigga crab pollock: Mar 26, 2010; by Lowtax

quote:

You might remember a time, back before the election, when we all still lived in the real world and Donald Trump was an unhinged conspiracy theorist. Nearing rock bottom in the polls, wheeling off helplessly down the one-way chute of defeat, Trump began making a series of increasingly implausible claims: The election was a fix; shadowy foreign actors�China, Saudi Arabia�were colluding with elements within the deep state to put their puppet in the White House; media organizations were polluting the country with their lies and distortions; the whole country was about to suffer a soft coup, maybe bloodless, maybe not. If Clinton won, he said, he might not accept the legitimacy of the result, and people were horrified by this suggestion.

Every principle of representative democracy seemed under threat and all because one jumped-up narcissist and his limp, frothing coterie couldn�t deal with not getting everything they ever wanted. Defeat, past or imminent, does strange things to people. They get desperate, they try to grab hold of any explanation that won�t incriminate themselves, they tear through their own skin looking for stab wounds in the back. It�s understandable.

you know six months later this is some serious :irony:

especially for an article titled "What The Hell Is Wrong With America's Establishment Liberals"

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super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

fruit on the bottom posted:

He eats like poo poo and believes any exercise only brings him closer to death. Every moment of life he enjoys is a miracle.

He might not live as long but he enjoys life more.

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JB50: Feb 13, 2008

fruit on the bottom posted:

He eats like poo poo and believes any exercise only brings him closer to death. Every moment of life he enjoys is a miracle.

So hes a goon?

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Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

I'm sleep deprived. When that happens, the snarky ironic part of my brain dies and the part of my brain that makes long lovely effort posts awakens.

Here is reality: Bernie would have won because partisan voters vote for their party always, Hillary or Bernie would have had these people no matter what. Even if they hated the very concept of a socialist, their "lesser of two evils" logic would kick in and they would faithfully vote for him anyway. Bernie would have nabbed the exact same people Hillary did in 2016, plus his base, which hillary inspired to apathy or spite-voting against her. Meaning he would have received enough electoral votes to become president, and he currently would be. am so confident in this that I'm going to lay it all out for you, stream of consciousness style, from the mind of a sleep deprived 27 year old idiot, to you, whoever is dumb enough to read this, presumably an even bigger idiot.

Summary is as follows : Bernie would have won.

The main thing that Bernie had, that Hillary was never ever going to have, is the backing of the most fickle wing of potential democratic voters: the labor left. These are people who aren't left wing enough to vote for nonsense like the PSL or CPUSA, but heavily favor the endangered American Social Democrat. This is part of the party who is more likely to give zero percent of a gently caress about idpol and all the other bullshit traps set up by center-right democrat politicians to distract their voters. They care about wages, worker rights, unions, and the welfare of citizenry. You know, the exact people Hillary gambled on excluding by trying to court disillusioned moderate republicans. She did this because she's not a loving progressive and did not want to work with economically left-wing people or realize any leftist goals.

She's a goldwater republican, and never stopped behaving like one. Yet, she's a republican that's not viable in the party that actually fits her beliefs. Hillary rose to power during a time when the democrats were willing to share power with a woman where the republican party likely was not. She is, however, a pretty smart, manipulative sociopath that knows how to game people and knows how to broker and leverage the power she could find, and helped found the most powerful political marriage in modern times to get what the good old boys wouldn't give her. This struggle against sexism does not make her a saint, because her goals were only power and control for its own sake. I don't think she's ever professed a belief she wouldn't turn on if it was unpopular or for a bigger check, like any other politician in her class. It sure did make her some enemies that are objectively worse than she is, but they didn't get the chance to run against her. The only thing you can say for her, is that her bloodbath cleaving her way to where she is today, certainly opened up new places for women in politics. She may have laid the groundwork for someone decent and less monstrous to someday claim the title of Madam President. This is probably giving her way too much credit, actually. Women like Ann Richards were real pioneers of establishing what it means to be a woman with executive power. Hillary is and was pretty much just an opportunist that's happy to take the credit of other more deserving women though.

That digression aside, Bernie did have the support of the labor left. Not just support, but enthusiastic support. Bernie supporters weren't going "well he's not ideal but I'm thinking in five dimensions here with lesser evils of a supreme court nominee, plus he promised to reschedule weed". He had huge rallies of people calling for his presidency everywhere he went. He had excited people into participating in the political process beyond merely voting. Who the gently caress canvasses for votes and phone banks except pol-sci majors and wouldbe low level politicians? A shitload of Bernie supporters.

Hillary didn't have enthusiasm from anyone except some of those aging racist white TERF 2nd wave feminists. Everyone else was on board as a preventative anti-republican, and later anti-trump measure only. This strategy of courting the "anyone but a republican" crowd didn't work for John Kerry, a man who at least comes by his boring moderate nature honestly, and actually ended up being a good secretary of state, with a pretty-okay senate record. Who then, could possibly imagine it was ever going to work for the absentee senator from New York who once voted for a bad war and tried to ban violent video games, then went on to be a secretary of state, where she stood out as an exceptional dumbass, was violating national security laws in the most boring way possible, and failing to act on critical intel that even the goons playing Eve Online were aware of, resulting in the pointless deaths of several Americans who by all accounts should still be loving alive.

Hillary only went on to win the popular vote because being a democrat in high population blue states like New York and California merely means you drive a hybrid, shop at an organic produce co-op while smoking a joint and cheering at a pride parade, and those places have a lot of people in them, many who had zero reason to care about Hillary's total lack of pro-labor rhetoric, since everyone who might care is effectively disenfranchised, or can no longer afford to live there. In the rust-belt, where these things DO matter to voters, Trump managed to sputter out enough words about getting some jobs back and protecting the ones we still have. So she lost a region that has been faithfully blue in many an election over the last half century. And suddenly he won, because he was the only candidate to even thoughtlessly pander to the hopes and dreams of the rust belt. The return of the auto jobs and long-gone manufacturing sector so many unemployed skilled laborers need, because without them they are facing a harsh and shortened life of poverty where retirement will be surrendering a social security check to a nursing home, if they're lucky to live long enough.Of course he has zero ability or intention to truly restore a meaningful number of those lost jobs, but he indicated he cared more than hillary, and he made good on his promise to kill a treaty that would've snuffed what little manufacturing this country has left. A career liar, famous for saying whatever will get her a vote, lost to that orange pussy grabbing sentient toupee. because she couldn't bear the prospect of flying a jet into Detroit to tell ex-auto workers that she will bring their jobs back. She couldn't even bring herself to lie about that, such is her contempt for the working class. LMBFAO

Bernie's ENTIRE shtik was about preserving domestic jobs, improving pay, and protecting the eroding welfare of the average American, and constantly stumping with a speach that tirelessly invoked New Deal-esque rhetoric to great effect in those places. The New Deal playbook actually works, and if he had ended up as our president you can bet that he could find work for long-unemployed people. No, he couldn't magically bring American manufacturing back, but if you're willing to restore programs like the WPA and make the minimum wage a living wage, while restoring the marginal tax rates to their post-WW2 levels, you can do a fuckload more for the economy than Hillary or Trump ever will be able to.

So yeah, Bernie would have won the general, by popular vote and electoral vote and honestly the nomination would have been the upset of the century if the DNC and Hillary played fairly. Of course they didn't though. Colluding at every possible point to stymie him and anyone they suspected would vote or caucus for him. It's likely that, had it been an honest contest, and not endlessly hosed with from metagaming like instructing the media on what to talk about, deliberately mischaracterize the nature of super-delegates to misinform voters. to actual fraud like bussing people in for caucus stuffing or the actual documented voter fraud in Arizona. All those very unfortunate voter registration purges that occurred days before primaries were held, that meant newly affiliated democrats couldn't vote in the primaries at all in many states... For how lovely she plays ball in her own party, she deserved to lose nationally. Hate Donald all you want, that gilded fuckboy won fair and square. Hillary isn't and wasn't worthy of your consideration if you're a progressive. She's just a republican that the republicans didn't want, but she was strong and stubborn enough to keep on going anyway, and found a partner in crime with Bill, and a party of marks in the democrats. For all her scheming, she's ascended far as she can. If she runs again, it will be nothing but he embarrassing flailing of a dying ego fed by the bitter spite of people who think losing is worse than doing right by your fellow man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHfeBJ81I

Anyway I think I'm about done typing until I've had some sleep and know better than to make a post this big and rambling in GBS. Nothing i've said is wrong but nobody cares, I just want to absolve my soul on the day of Judgement so that I can say I did my part to instruct the goons of good and evil and right and wrong, and to know the difference between one and the other, so as to guard one's soul. So that when someone who actually liked Hillary on these forums has to face God, the Lord can say, "Did you not read Basic Hitler's big rear end post explaining the dualistic nature of the ethics of Bernie and Hillary, idiot?" :weed:

# ? Jun 13, 2017 20:39

Harveygod: Jan 4, 2014; YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

JB50 posted:

So hes a goon?

Someone has to be able to afford all the "Silent Majority" avatars.

# ? Jun 13, 2017 20:47

VikingSkull: Jan 23, 2017; Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

basic hitler posted:

I'm sleep deprived. When that happens, the snarky ironic part of my brain dies and the part of my brain that makes long lovely effort posts awakens.

Here is reality: Bernie would have won because partisan voters vote for their party always, Hillary or Bernie would have had these people no matter what. Even if they hated the very concept of a socialist, their "lesser of two evils" logic would kick in and they would faithfully vote for him anyway. Bernie would have nabbed the exact same people Hillary did in 2016, plus his base, which hillary inspired to apathy or spite-voting against her. Meaning he would have received enough electoral votes to become president, and he currently would be. am so confident in this that I'm going to lay it all out for you, stream of consciousness style, from the mind of a sleep deprived 27 year old idiot, to you, whoever is dumb enough to read this, presumably an even bigger idiot.

Summary is as follows : Bernie would have won.

The main thing that Bernie had, that Hillary was never ever going to have, is the backing of the most fickle wing of potential democratic voters: the labor left. These are people who aren't left wing enough to vote for nonsense like the PSL or CPUSA, but heavily favor the endangered American Social Democrat. This is part of the party who is more likely to give zero percent of a gently caress about idpol and all the other bullshit traps set up by center-right democrat politicians to distract their voters. They care about wages, worker rights, unions, and the welfare of citizenry. You know, the exact people Hillary gambled on excluding by trying to court disillusioned moderate republicans. She did this because she's not a loving progressive and did not want to work with economically left-wing people or realize any leftist goals.

She's a goldwater republican, and never stopped behaving like one. Yet, she's a republican that's not viable in the party that actually fits her beliefs. Hillary rose to power during a time when the democrats were willing to share power with a woman where the republican party likely was not. She is, however, a pretty smart, manipulative sociopath that knows how to game people and knows how to broker and leverage the power she could find, and helped found the most powerful political marriage in modern times to get what the good old boys wouldn't give her. This struggle against sexism does not make her a saint, because her goals were only power and control for its own sake. I don't think she's ever professed a belief she wouldn't turn on if it was unpopular or for a bigger check, like any other politician in her class. It sure did make her some enemies that are objectively worse than she is, but they didn't get the chance to run against her. The only thing you can say for her, is that her bloodbath cleaving her way to where she is today, certainly opened up new places for women in politics. She may have laid the groundwork for someone decent and less monstrous to someday claim the title of Madam President. This is probably giving her way too much credit, actually. Women like Ann Richards were real pioneers of establishing what it means to be a woman with executive power. Hillary is and was pretty much just an opportunist that's happy to take the credit of other more deserving women though.

That digression aside, Bernie did have the support of the labor left. Not just support, but enthusiastic support. Bernie supporters weren't going "well he's not ideal but I'm thinking in five dimensions here with lesser evils of a supreme court nominee, plus he promised to reschedule weed". He had huge rallies of people calling for his presidency everywhere he went. He had excited people into participating in the political process beyond merely voting. Who the gently caress canvasses for votes and phone banks except pol-sci majors and wouldbe low level politicians? A shitload of Bernie supporters.

Hillary didn't have enthusiasm from anyone except some of those aging racist white TERF 2nd wave feminists. Everyone else was on board as a preventative anti-republican, and later anti-trump measure only. This strategy of courting the "anyone but a republican" crowd didn't work for John Kerry, a man who at least comes by his boring moderate nature honestly, and actually ended up being a good secretary of state, with a pretty-okay senate record. Who then, could possibly imagine it was ever going to work for the absentee senator from New York who once voted for a bad war and tried to ban violent video games, then went on to be a secretary of state, where she stood out as an exceptional dumbass, was violating national security laws in the most boring way possible, and failing to act on critical intel that even the goons playing Eve Online were aware of, resulting in the pointless deaths of several Americans who by all accounts should still be loving alive.

Hillary only went on to win the popular vote because being a democrat in high population blue states like New York and California merely means you drive a hybrid, shop at an organic produce co-op while smoking a joint and cheering at a pride parade, and those places have a lot of people in them, many who had zero reason to care about Hillary's total lack of pro-labor rhetoric, since everyone who might care is effectively disenfranchised, or can no longer afford to live there. In the rust-belt, where these things DO matter to voters, Trump managed to sputter out enough words about getting some jobs back and protecting the ones we still have. So she lost a region that has been faithfully blue in many an election over the last half century. And suddenly he won, because he was the only candidate to even thoughtlessly pander to the hopes and dreams of the rust belt. The return of the auto jobs and long-gone manufacturing sector so many unemployed skilled laborers need, because without them they are facing a harsh and shortened life of poverty where retirement will be surrendering a social security check to a nursing home, if they're lucky to live long enough.Of course he has zero ability or intention to truly restore a meaningful number of those lost jobs, but he indicated he cared more than hillary, and he made good on his promise to kill a treaty that would've snuffed what little manufacturing this country has left. A career liar, famous for saying whatever will get her a vote, lost to that orange pussy grabbing sentient toupee. because she couldn't bear the prospect of flying a jet into Detroit to tell ex-auto workers that she will bring their jobs back. She couldn't even bring herself to lie about that, such is her contempt for the working class. LMBFAO

Bernie's ENTIRE shtik was about preserving domestic jobs, improving pay, and protecting the eroding welfare of the average American, and constantly stumping with a speach that tirelessly invoked New Deal-esque rhetoric to great effect in those places. The New Deal playbook actually works, and if he had ended up as our president you can bet that he could find work for long-unemployed people. No, he couldn't magically bring American manufacturing back, but if you're willing to restore programs like the WPA and make the minimum wage a living wage, while restoring the marginal tax rates to their post-WW2 levels, you can do a fuckload more for the economy than Hillary or Trump ever will be able to.

So yeah, Bernie would have won the general, by popular vote and electoral vote and honestly the nomination would have been the upset of the century if the DNC and Hillary played fairly. Of course they didn't though. Colluding at every possible point to stymie him and anyone they suspected would vote or caucus for him. It's likely that, had it been an honest contest, and not endlessly hosed with from metagaming like instructing the media on what to talk about, deliberately mischaracterize the nature of super-delegates to misinform voters. to actual fraud like bussing people in for caucus stuffing or the actual documented voter fraud in Arizona. All those very unfortunate voter registration purges that occurred days before primaries were held, that meant newly affiliated democrats couldn't vote in the primaries at all in many states... For how lovely she plays ball in her own party, she deserved to lose nationally. Hate Donald all you want, that gilded fuckboy won fair and square. Hillary isn't and wasn't worthy of your consideration if you're a progressive. She's just a republican that the republicans didn't want, but she was strong and stubborn enough to keep on going anyway, and found a partner in crime with Bill, and a party of marks in the democrats. For all her scheming, she's ascended far as she can. If she runs again, it will be nothing but he embarrassing flailing of a dying ego fed by the bitter spite of people who think losing is worse than doing right by your fellow man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHfeBJ81I

Anyway I think I'm about done typing until I've had some sleep and know better than to make a post this big and rambling in GBS. Nothing i've said is wrong but nobody cares, I just want to absolve my soul on the day of Judgement so that I can say I did my part to instruct the goons of good and evil and right and wrong, and to know the difference between one and the other, so as to guard one's soul. So that when someone who actually liked Hillary on these forums has to face God, the Lord can say, "Did you not read Basic Hitler's big rear end post explaining the dualistic nature of the ethics of Bernie and Hillary, idiot?"

# ? Jun 13, 2017 20:52

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

^^hosed up if false

# ? Jun 13, 2017 20:53

rezatahs: Jun 9, 2001; by Smythe

i agree with hitler

# ? Jun 13, 2017 21:11

Gene Hackman Fan: Dec 27, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

tthinking back to her secretary of state days, she must have looked at satellite pictures of libya and thought "you know what this place needs? slave markets"

# ? Jun 13, 2017 21:35

Zajajaja: Jan 10, 2008

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

tthinking back to her secretary of state days, she must have looked at satellite pictures of libya and thought "you know what this place needs? slave markets"

Its that neo-liberal charm
"I had slaves, it was great! I bet they'd love them too"

# ? Jun 13, 2017 21:50

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

I'm the bigger idiot who read that whole post and I judge it to be...good.

# ? Jun 13, 2017 21:59

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

really queer Christmas posted:

I'm the bigger idiot who read that whole post and I judge it to be...good.

As usual, this the good Trump thread has the best effortposts as well as the best meltdowns

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:09

VikingSkull: Jan 23, 2017; Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

As usual, this the good Trump thread has the best effortposts as well as the best meltdowns

sir this is the Hillary has a book thread

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:10

Mordor She Wrote: Nov 17, 2014

"Hillarys a mastermind lying sociopath who didn't win because she didn't lie to autoworkers"

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:19

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

I'll be honest with you, Joe Sixpack. I'm going to continue to work to ensure that you and your children enjoy a future of continued and increased servitude and squalor. At least I'm not gonna lie to you about it like Trump. Now do I have your vote?

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:23

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Mordor She Wrote posted:

"Hillarys a mastermind lying sociopath who didn't win because she didn't lie to autoworkers"

Correct

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:32

Mordor She Wrote: Nov 17, 2014

I don't get it, are you suppose to lie and tell people their outdated careers that will evaporate due to automation will stay forever, or is lying bad.

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:34

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Trump, at least, is unpredictable. There was a CHANCE that he might do something to help them, even if they knew he was lying, and even if they cared. Hillary Clinton had the disadvantage of consistency.

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:37

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Mordor She Wrote posted:

I don't get it, are you suppose to lie and tell people their outdated careers that will evaporate due to automation will stay forever, or is lying bad.

So automation will eliminate millions of jobs, but we also need to let in millions of illiterate illegal laborers because ?

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:37

Mordor She Wrote: Nov 17, 2014

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

So automation will eliminate millions of jobs, but we also need to let in millions of illiterate illegal laborers because ?

Maybe Americans should be less fat and stupid if their comfy jobs are threatened by illiterate day laborers, it's called boot straps

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:39

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Mordor She Wrote posted:

Maybe Americans should be less fat and stupid if their comfy jobs are threatened by illiterate day laborers, it's called boot straps

You should put that on Correct the record in 2020

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:48

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# ? May 25, 2024 22:14

poisonpill: Nov 8, 2009; The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.

I can't tell who you're parodying anymore but please stop

# ? Jun 13, 2017 22:49

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