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iospace posted:All I know is Nashville is going to go 4-4-1. No way they expose their first two pairings. Johansen and Forsberg are also probably going to be protected, but the other two forwards are up in the air. They're gonna lose a good player somehow unless they do something. Hockey twitter keeps agitating on selling high on Josi as his league rep seems to outweigh his actual ranking (PK subban is not a top pairing blablablabla) and thus allow them to go 7-3-1 but I can't believe Poile would have the gumption to do that. Although he did trade Seth Jones and Weber so who knows.
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Xtanstic posted:They're gonna lose a good player somehow unless they do something. Hockey twitter keeps agitating on selling high on Josi as his league rep seems to outweigh his actual ranking (PK subban is not a top pairing blablablabla) and thus allow them to go 7-3-1 but I can't believe Poile would have the gumption to do that. Although he did trade Seth Jones and Weber so who knows. I can't believe people are still underrsting Josi. He's a different style, but he and subban are definitely equal defenseman. Protect the 4 D, protect Johansson, Forseberg, and Ardvidson, and just pick whatever other forward. They'll probably lose Neal, but at this point I'm ok with that, he's replaceable, especially with the stupid penalties he took in the finals.
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stab posted:why would you protect a UFA I skipped breakfast and only had enough brain power to parse that players who didn't meet the 40/70 games mark still had to be protected.
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As of this moment, the Jackets protection would probably be: Forwards Nick Foligno (NMC) Brandon Dubinsky (NMC) Scott Hartnell (NMC) Brandon Saad Cam Atkinson Boone Jenner Alex Wennberg Defensemen Seth Jones David Savard Jack Johnson Goalie Sergei Bobrovsky (NMC) Clarkson has a NMC but waived it for Vegas. If they trade him to vegas with some other stuff it will be to protect Josh Anderson or Wennberg as the final forward spot would be between those two guys. Or if they don't get that deal done with the promise, they buy out Hartnell. As for defense, They could save Murray over Johnson but Murray has been poo poo so I hope they don't do that. In goal, I think there's a very real chance Korpisalo is taken as a cheap backup but who knows. Truther Vandross fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:And it's funny that you guys are talking about Nurse who is 21-22 because I feel like Pens fans forget that Maatta is also 22 and he had loving cancer. I think the thing with Maatta is how many years does he get as a pass because of his injuries and illnesses. He's slow and his decision making process hasn't been quite enough to make up for it lately. Does he turn that around and improve it? Or maybe this is just what he is now
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iospace posted:All I know is Nashville is going to go 4-4-1. No way they expose their first two pairings. Johansen and Forsberg are also probably going to be protected, but the other two forwards are up in the air. Forsberg, Arvidsson, and Johansen, then either Neal or Jarnkrok I would guess, barring some side deal.
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Thufir posted:Forsberg, Arvidsson, and Johansen, then either Neal or Jarnkrok I would guess, barring some side deal. Jarnkrok is 4 years younger, on a cheaper contract and locked up for the next 5 years. I'd definitely lean towards him over Neal
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Thufir posted:Preds extended Yannick Weber, 1 year 650k. That's a good deal, he was good for his role this season.
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Duckman2008 posted:I can't believe people are still underrsting Josi. He's a different style, but he and subban are definitely equal defenseman. Moving Neal's 5m cap hit would give them enough capspace (22m+) to resign Johansen, Arvidsson, and Fisher then go after Duchene. Fisher is their #2 center and turning 37, but their top 4 D are 26-28 and top 3 F are 22-24. That's a team that can mortgage the future and offer a lot of picks/prospects for a guy like Duchene right now.
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Flyinglemur posted:Someone tell me which one of Olli's meds has the side effects of "May cause drowsiness, headaches, turnovers with machine-like-consistency, anal leakage" because I'm pretty sure he had 2 of those throughout the playoffs. He's got the same thing I do. Thyroid can mess you up if under/over medicated since it affects baseline metabolism. Some of the effects: - cognition, including anxiety and/or depression - weight gain/loss - sleep patterns - temperature sensitivity - pain sensitivity And a ton of other things. That said, the science is pretty nailed down. When they were zeroing in on my dose I was having blood tests every two weeks, and I'm sure hockey players get access to crazy space medicine that's even better.
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If I had to guess what the Leafs will do Forwards Kadri JVR Bozak Komarov Brown Leivo Martin Defense Rielly Gardiner Carrick Goalie Andersen That leaves Kerby Rychel, Seth Griffith, Brendan Leipsic, Eric Fehr, Joffrey Lupul, Ben Smith (lol) Alexey Marchenko, Martin Marincin, Antoine Bibeau and Garret Sparks as names of note not protected. If I had to guess I say the Leafs protect Leivo and Martin since Babcock loves Martin and Leivo at least looked good in a couple games this year. I can't imagine they protect Marincin over Carrick. It also means they can approach Brian Boyle, Brendan Leipsic, Seth Griffith, Brooks Laich, Colin Greening, Hunwick and Polak early about signing them.
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Shawn Cotureier posted:Bruins told Rinaldo be wasn't going to be qualified Primo asset management
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Gonna be a boring rear end expansion draft because GMGM doesn't want to get his rear end force fed back to him by every active GM because he was a dick and swiped a good player using the entry draft fair and square. Remember the last time we saw a loving offer sheet and how that ended a career. GMGM gonna take every backdoor make good deal to draft a weak rear end team and take on garbage salary to make sure he doesn't make waves and get blackballed immediately. Hell if Vegas knew what the gently caress it was doing it would have gotten some no name idiot to BPA the expansion draft then shitcan the temp idiot after a year and bring in a vet to "clean up the mess." That way you can actually score good players and contracts from the NHL squads the way the expansion draft is supposed to allow, without getting the blowback that playing by the rules would garner you. Oh well, they don't have fans to disappoint anyway.
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Shawn Cotureier posted:Bruins told Rinaldo be wasn't going to be qualified eeeehehehehe
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Kevin Klein reportedly considering retiring from the NHL e: https://nypost.com/2017/06/13/rangers-kevin-klein-leaning-toward-retirement/ quote:Sources report Klein, who was a healthy scratch for all but one playoff game following a regular season in which persistent lower back issues limited him to 60 games, is leaning toward leaving the NHL and continuing his career in Europe. Not really sure why he would retire then go to Europe but maybe he just figures he could extend his career there plus he probably isn't going to crack the roster next year. Would think someone would trade for him though Levitate fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Levitate posted:Kevin Klein reportedly considering retiring from the NHL woah
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Levitate posted:Kevin Klein reportedly considering retiring from the NHL I don't think I would say he's more than a bottom pairing defenseman, but I liked him when he was in Nashville. Haven't followed him recently though. Zodijackylite posted:Moving Neal's 5m cap hit would give them enough capspace (22m+) to resign Johansen, Arvidsson, and Fisher then go after Duchene. Fisher is their #2 center and turning 37, but their top 4 D are 26-28 and top 3 F are 22-24. That's a team that can mortgage the future and offer a lot of picks/prospects for a guy like Duchene right now. This I can agree with (worth it to go for a big signing). And with Nashville doing well maybe more players will be open to playing there.
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Duckman2008 posted:I don't think I would say he's more than a bottom pairing defenseman, but I liked him when he was in Nashville. Haven't followed him recently though. He was alright, provided some grit and decent play, was better than Girardi when paired with McDonagh. Struggled a lot this year though with his foot speed and then got injured a lot (I think he had back spasms from early in the season and basically hosed him over pretty good all year)
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Shawn Cotureier posted:Bruins told Rinaldo be wasn't going to be qualified Sounds like some team is gonna have the chance to get a bona fide game changer this offseason.
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Mind_Taker posted:Statistically Athanasiou is actually really drat good. Over the past 2 seasons he's behind only Matthews in terms of goals/60 (min. 1000 minutes) and is #32 in points/60 at even strength. Obviously there is context missing from those numbers but he's also likely to improve since he's only 22 and he also has been skating alongside some pretty crappy Detroit forwards for most of his time there, often on the 3rd or 4th line. god I would love for the Penguins to somehow get hold of Athanasiou. Catching up on the thread after work, but it seems a little weird to me that an MAF trade to Vegas hasn't already been announced. If it hasn't been by the roster freeze then that'll make me wonder if the Penguins are actually going to keep him and he wants to stay so much he's agreed to be the backup. Which makes no sense, but the idea that Vegas would just take MAF in the expansion draft (rather than take one of the several interesting forwards the Penguins are going to have to expose and acquire MAF and his contract separately for a token 6th round pick or whatever) makes even less sense. Unless Captain Internet's weird belief that Vegas is going to draft a lovely team because they don't want to piss off other GMs turns out to be right, I dunno.
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My friend made a banner for the parade tomorrow. "If the Stanley Cup Final was an epic film" he said. 
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The Golden Man posted:This seems like a really weird opinion to me and I'm genuinely curious to see if you're right Honesty, Holmgren got shunned by every GM in the league because he legitimately offersheeted Nashville of all places. Shut out by everyone because of a single offer sheet to a Western Conference team. You don't think GMGM gonna get the deep dick if he fucks over multiple teams who gave out limited NMC's like candy years ago to their vets and fringe core players because they were an easy value add to a contract that didn't affect their bottom line? Dude is going to roll with concession deals or get rolled. He wouldn't be able to find a front office job in North American hockey because everyone knows everyone. Hockey is still hockey even when you are wearing suits and these people would think you are taking liberties with their carefully planned out team.
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Captain Internet posted:Honesty, Holmgren got shunned by every GM in the league because he legitimately offersheeted Nashville of all places. Shut out by everyone because of a single offer sheet to a Western Conference team. You don't think GMGM gonna get the deep dick if he fucks over multiple teams who gave out limited NMC's like candy years ago to their vets and fringe core players because they were an easy value add to a contract that didn't affect their bottom line?
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That offer sheet loving owned and I wish more owners would use them.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:That offer sheet loving owned and I wish more owners would use them. 
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Captain Internet posted:Gonna be a boring rear end expansion draft because GMGM doesn't want to get his rear end force fed back to him by every active GM because he was a dick and swiped a good player using the entry draft fair and square. Remember the last time we saw a loving offer sheet and how that ended a career. Yeah thats what ended his career....
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:That offer sheet loving owned and I wish more owners would use them. It is legitimately impressive that Homer managed to screw over a team that was not, in any way, involved in the original offer sheet. Almost at the level of performance art.
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Duckman2008 posted:I can't believe people are still underrsting Josi. He's a different style, but he and subban are definitely equal defenseman. It's not so much that people are underating Josi. I think he's well rated an well regarded now, but now it's a casualty of 'Well actually PK is not a top pairing D' which has people mad at MSM. Anyway, if Nashville goes 4-4-1, it means that you will lose one of Jarnkrok, Sissons, Aberg or Neal. I don't know how Salomaki rates.
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Xtanstic posted:It's not so much that people are underating Josi. I think he's well rated an well regarded now, but now it's a casualty of 'Well actually PK is not a top pairing D' which has people mad at MSM. Anyway, if Nashville goes 4-4-1, it means that you will lose one of Jarnkrok, Sissons, Aberg or Neal. I don't know how Salomaki rates. Jarnkrok is a tempting piece with that contract but Neal would be a hell of a quality player to get for an expansion team.
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Nashville is not exactly a hot free agent destination and is short on forwards. Neal is overpaid but not by much, I can't see that it helps them to let Vegas take him for nothing. Are they in a cap crunch, or likely to be within the next 2 years? About Maatta, the thing about this whole "he's still super young and has been going through a lot of poo poo, give him time" thing is that it's exactly what we were saying when he sucked last year (and I was the first guy saying it, back then). This year he got worse. He might get better but I think it's more likely he doesn't. And as is, the fancystats and good ol' fashioned watching hockey with your eyes agree: he sucks. He's a replacement level defenseman, and paying $3M/year to a guy who is no better than the David Warsofskys of the world is exactly how you work yourself into cap trouble. I'm all for shopping him first, there very well may be a team or two who is high on him and willing to take his contract and even give something up for it. But failing that, I wouldn't hesitate to expose him and let Vegas have him if they want him. I think the Penguins could do better things with that cap space. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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