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Before they got McDavid, Edmonton wasn't really a team good free agents wanted to go. After McDavid, they became a lot more attractive team for free agents. Basically, Nashville will be fine when it comes to a team free agents want to go to, given that they just made the SCF and they are poised to do well in the West for a few years.
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Stiev Awt posted:These are the Habs I would protect What I want: Patches, Chucky, Gally, Danault, Hudon, Radulov, Byron Petry (have to), Weber, Beaulieu Carey I don't think Las Vegas are interested in Plex, Benn or Davidson, but there's also the strong possibility that Radulov is not coming back in which case a new forward needs to be picked. What I think we're gonna get: Patches, Chucky, Gally, Danault, Hudon, Radulov, Shaw Petry (have to), Weber, Emelin Carey
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You don't think Vegas would take Plekanec? He's about the closest thing to a first line center they're gonna be able to get, I think.
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Well the NHL playoffs might be over, but it's Game 6 of the Calder Cup Finals here in Grand Rapids!
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Schlesische posted:I don't think Las Vegas are interested in Plex, Benn or Davidson I don't think that's true, given that before this season Vegas was projected to take Davidson from Edmonton. Even though he had a down year I would still imagine it's very possible they could take him if they think he can bounce back, which I think he will.
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I found some twitter chat regarding vegas strategy interesting. https://twitter.com/Cane_Matt/status/874662646150291456
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I'm pretty sure Holmgren wrote a players tribune article and he mentioned that GMs wouldn't talk to him after he tendered that offer sheet. It would never be proven but I wish the PA could use that to destroy the owners in the next lockout.
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so what, they're going to suck rear end for 2 years and hope they dont get run out of town, and also that some of their picks pan out into NHL players after those two years?
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Kilza posted:I don't think that's true, given that before this season Vegas was projected to take Davidson from Edmonton. Even though he had a down year I would still imagine it's very possible they could take him if they think he can bounce back, which I think he will. The Habs probably have players that fit more neatly into Las Vegas' wants pile without coming in under a massive question mark. Hell, for defenseman Beaulieu is almost a lock to be exposed and he probably has more value than Davidson right now. And if Vegas wants a forward Hudon or Byron are going to be open. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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I don't think that's really all that accurate. If they're smart they can do both. There are a bunch of meh to good FAs that they can overpay on short term deals that are just as good as whatever they might grab out of the expansion draft, but they can't really turn those FAs into prospects until next deadline at the earliest. So grab dudes to trade NOW and then sign vets to fill in the lineup. Team is probably just as good plus you get more picks. I've had this inkling since they signed Shipachyov and were rumoured to be bringing over Dadonov.
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Duckman2008 posted:I can't believe people are still underrsting Josi. He's a different style, but he and subban are definitely equal defenseman. That's James Neal's entire career; 40ish goals/year and the season's entire catalogue of stupid penalties at the worst possible moments. Why aren't you guys talking about protecting Sissons? He looked like the Preds' best player throughout the SCF to me
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glynnenstein posted:I found some twitter chat regarding vegas strategy interesting. They could still recoup the value and get picks by trading the players as rentals...
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Because that moves back the pipeline by a year.
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Captain Internet posted:Honesty, Holmgren got shunned by every GM in the league because he legitimately offersheeted Nashville of all places. Shut out by everyone because of a single offer sheet to a Western Conference team. You don't think GMGM gonna get the deep dick if he fucks over multiple teams who gave out limited NMC's like candy years ago to their vets and fringe core players because they were an easy value add to a contract that didn't affect their bottom line? I think there's probably a large "I could do that but I won't" unwritten rule poo poo attached to offer sheets that's not going to apply when every team is in the same situation here maybe
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Because that moves back the pipeline by a year. That being said I could see them taking a guy like pouliot and giving him a shitload of pp time and then flipping him at the deadline
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Nill needs to acquire something for the blue line. Too many forwards to protect and nothing special on D. If he pulls what he did last offseason and just shrug at the idea of rebuilding the d-corps he needs to go. There are enough teams that need to lose a d and and he's got enough offense that losing a piece to improve the back end would work out for both parties. Probably going to lose roussel or eakin one way or another, which is a bummer, but he better not simply lose one to Vegas for nothing.
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Schlesische posted:What I think we're gonna get: You think Bergevin is gonna protect Hudon. That's cute.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:That's James Neal's entire career; 40ish goals/year and the season's entire catalogue of stupid penalties at the worst possible moments. "40ish goals a year" is a huge oversell. He scored exactly 40 once, the one year he played 75 games on Evgeni Malkin's wing. Besides that he's only cracked 30 goals once in his career (31 in 2015-16). He scores 20-25 goals a year, and has since he was a rookie 9 years ago except for that one blip by the grace of Geno. That's the problem with Neal, he's a cheapshotting rear end in a top hat who doesn't pass well and doesn't score THAT much. He's a good defensive forward and guys that can reliably pot 20-25 a year in the NHL don't grow on trees so he has value, but probably not quite $5M/year worth of value.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Because that moves back the pipeline by a year. i think it depends on the deals. in a hypothetical situation i'd have to have a 2nd to take nathan horton over mikkel boedker
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Eric the Mauve posted:"40ish goals a year" is a huge oversell. He scored exactly 40 once, the one year he played 75 games on Evgeni Malkin's wing. Besides that he's only cracked 30 goals once in his career (31 in 2015-16). He scores 20-25 goals a year, and has since he was a rookie 9 years ago except for that one blip by the grace of Geno. he's a poor mans radim vrbata
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hifi posted:he's a poor mans radim vrbata Mikael Samuelsson??
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Baby Wings did a thing. 
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Draisatl- McDavid-Neal would be a drat good line
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:And it's funny that you guys are talking about Nurse who is 21-22 because I feel like Pens fans forget that Maatta is also 22 and he had loving cancer. Cancer or not, he's still been on a downward trajectory since his rookie year, which is concerning. It's not that he's coming along slower than expected, it's that he's actually getting worse
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If he were really slow but smart with the puck and positioning, that would be less than ideal but OK. If he were really slow and not very smart with the puck, but super solid with his stick and a good hard hitter, that would be acceptable. He'd be Ian Cole. If he sucked in his own end but could at least quarterback a PP and/or shoot solidly, that would be livable. But he sucks at everything. And I don't think I've ever seen a 22 year old in the NHL accelerate as slowly as he does. It's why he's good for giving up an embarrassing breakaway every other game: if he gets turned the wrong way, the other guy is gone and there's nothing he can do about it. And we're not talking about if the other guy is Carl Hagelin. Bog standard bottom sixers can torch him. Add it all up and it's a very very bleak picture IMO. He would have to improve a lot to be useful, and he's been getting slower for 2+ solid years now so it's hard to imagine him abruptly getting faster.
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VJeff posted:Baby Wings did a thing. This makes Crunch Man sad 
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Flyinglemur posted:This makes Crunch Man sad 2-0 against the Crunch in the finals.  0-2 against the Bolts in the playoffs. 
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The Golden Man posted:That being said I could see them taking a guy like pouliot and giving him a shitload of pp time and then flipping him at the deadline I'm not sure that someone like Pouliot gets the same return at the deadline as someone like Reinhart does immediately though.
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https://twitter.com/SensChirp/status/874781226976104448 Oh boy it's this discussion again
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I'm not sure that someone like Pouliot gets the same return at the deadline as someone like Reinhart does immediately though. looking around the league im not sure reinhart is the 10th best d available let alone 6th
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Why aren't you guys talking about protecting Sissons? He looked like the Preds' best player throughout the SCF to me He's a bottom sixer, 20 pts in 109 regular season games.
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The Golden Man posted:I think there's probably a large "I could do that but I won't" unwritten rule poo poo attached to offer sheets that's not going to apply when every team is in the same situation here maybe My opinion is all based off of speculation which is based off rumors of deals already been struck. Rumors I am hearing have at least 8 teams with a deal with Vegas that GMGM is going to pass on their player in lieu of another, lesser player and he can expect compensation in the way of picks. poo poo could be way off but the amount of politicking that goes on with just a normal draft and free agency I can only imagine how weird this is going to be.
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Thufir posted:He's a bottom sixer, 20 pts in 109 regular season games. That's surprising to me. He really performed on the big stage.
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How is that going to work, though? Is Vegas going to take MAF in the expansion draft and then after the draft the Penguins will send them a 2018 1st round pick in exchange for a conditional 7th that will never play out, and it will be understood that trade was part of the agreement to take MAF's contract instead of taking e.g. Bryan Rust?
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Captain Internet posted:My opinion is all based off of speculation which is based off rumors of deals already been struck. Rumors I am hearing have at least 8 teams with a deal with Vegas that GMGM is going to pass on their player in lieu of another, lesser player and he can expect compensation in the way of picks. poo poo could be way off but the amount of politicking that goes on with just a normal draft and free agency I can only imagine how weird this is going to be. It's actually not that out of place from the last ones if you go and look at the footnotes on the expansion draft pages. I suppose it's already hitting the higher end this time around but there rules were made to expose more than just the usual trash the last ones did so I have to hand it to the NHL for making a good change.
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yellowcar posted:You think Bergevin is gonna protect Hudon. That's cute. Yeah I meant Byron, gently caress.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:That's surprising to me. He really performed on the big stage. Yeah he's shown a bit more in the AHL so maybe he could do more with a different role but still I don't think he rises to being worth protecting
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VJeff posted:Baby Wings did a thing. Yes we did   I'm an off-ice official for the Griffins
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KingShibby posted:I'm an off-ice official for the Griffins Sup Off-Ice Official Bro  Monsters
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