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Lemming posted:Lol the literal only time anyone has ever said "agree to disagree" is when they know they were severely owned
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Jun 14, 2017 03:10
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https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/874809630639046657 cant see that backfiring
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Jun 14, 2017 03:11
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Lemming posted:Lol the literal only time anyone has ever said "agree to disagree" is when they know they were severely owned Sir, you are turning into a corncob. Let's agree to disagree on that.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:13
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awesmoe posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/874809630639046657 Somehow more stupid than I could have hoped.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:14
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awesmoe posted:cant see that backfiring oh my sweet lord jesus christ next derail propsal: should inherited wealth be legal? should people like trump be allowed such amazing opportunities simply because of whose balls they came out of?
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Jun 14, 2017 03:14
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Florida Betty posted:I don't think that means anything. VA has open primaries. People cross party lines all the time. The story going into this was that Gillespie was going to win the Republican nomination in a landslide, so plenty of Republicans crossed over and voted in the Democratic primary instead. I know my mom, a Trump voter, did. And this is why I scoff at Bernie supporters who chastise the Dems for not having more open primaries. https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/874341950475972609 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/874342497962659842 Anyway, more on-topic: https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/874809659005206528
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Jun 14, 2017 03:14
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Did that guy Warmbier actually steal a sign or did N Korea just frame him then beat him into a coma.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:18
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at any rate, I'm enjoying the administration's laser-like focus on jobs and infrastructure
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Jun 14, 2017 03:22
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awesmoe posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/874809630639046657 He attempted to obstruct justice against the investigation into whether he obstructed justice.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:22
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Hollismason posted:Did that guy Warmbier actually steal a sign or did N Korea just frame him then beat him into a coma. Oh, that guy that paid to go to NK and tried to steal a sign is the one they're talking about? I forgot all about that dude.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:23
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awesmoe posted:at any rate, I'm enjoying the administration's laser-like focus on jobs and infrastructure And by laser-like we mean like how a cat responds to a laser pointer.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:23
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cult member at airport posted:And this is why I scoff at Bernie supporters who chastise the Dems for not having more open primaries. Wasn't the 'bernie guy' also backed by Obama?
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awesmoe posted:at any rate, I'm enjoying the administration's laser-like focus on jobs and infrastructure Well he certainly has forced the media to increase its fact checking and legal staff levels.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:25
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Nonsense posted:Wasn't the 'bernie guy' also backed by Obama? quote:He was endorsed by Vermont Senator and former presidential candidate Bernie Sanders; Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren; columnist and chair of Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign John Podesta; Center for American Progress and Center for American Progress Action Fund President and CEO Neera Tanden; and Khizr and Ghazala Khan.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:25
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Hollismason posted:Did that guy Warmbier actually steal a sign or did N Korea just frame him then beat him into a coma. He tried to steal some of the government propaganda posters from somewhere near/in his hotel and was caught. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier He was suuuuuuuper dumb for doing this in North Korea of all places but I don't know if he deserved to be turned into vegetable soup for it 
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Jun 14, 2017 03:26
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If Trump fire Mueller and prevents the appointment of any additional special counsels, then couldn't he just avoid getting impeached altogether? If he ends and prevents all further investigation, then there wouldn't be enough evidence to impeach him?
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Jun 14, 2017 03:27
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empty whippet box posted:He attempted to obstruct justice against the investigation into whether he obstructed justice. Trump heard "it's not the crime that gets you, but the cover-up" and learnt completely the wrong lesson.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:28
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OctaMurk posted:If Trump fire Mueller and prevents the appointment of any additional special counsels, then couldn't he just avoid getting impeached altogether? If he ends and prevents all further investigation, then there wouldn't be enough evidence to impeach him? that obstruction (in any other congress) would be grounds for impeachment itself e: but as EW said yesterday, congress would likely respond by doing a thing that removes his ability to fire (or order firing of) the counsels
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Jun 14, 2017 03:28
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awesmoe posted:that obstruction (in any other congress) would be grounds for impeachment itself But that's my point. This isn't any other congress, this is the congress we have. He could get away with all of this if he had the balls to fire Mueller, Rosenstein, and anyone else who wants to pipe up.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:29
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hahah christ if Trump thinks he can intimidate Mueller by threatening Mueller's job Trump is even dumber than I thought he was and I think Trump has mid-stage Alzheimer's But nobody tell him, let him keep thinking it That said, that tweet is bullshit: real story is they've realized the trial balloon they were floating re: firing Mueller, popped
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Jun 14, 2017 03:30
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OctaMurk posted:But that's my point. This isn't any other congress, this is the congress we have. He could get away with all of this if he had the balls to fire Mueller, Rosenstein, and anyone else who wants to pipe up. If you argue that congress won't impeach someone who stonewalls investigations, then why do you believe they'd impeach based on any results from an investigation?
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Rudoku posted:Oh, that guy that paid to go to NK and tried to steal a sign is the one they're talking about? I forgot all about that dude. Seriously like what the gently caress. Dude is in a coma and possibly braindead for thinking he was gonna get a sweet souvenir poster to show his friends. On the other hand what the gently caress were you thinking, like people ain't watching you at all times? It's always possible the government just set him up, but this story is one that just makes a dumb sort of sense. I've stolen a branded glass from a restaurant/bar as a souvenir from time to time, but I wouldn't do it vacationing in goddamn North Korea! Seems like if you know enough about it to get on a plane and fly there that you would know stealing a poster is a terrible idea.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:34
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awesmoe posted:If you argue that congress won't impeach someone who stonewalls investigations, then why do you believe they'd impeach based on any results from an investigation? If core Trump staff and family members start getting led away in handcuffs it's gonna be a lot harder for people to stay on the Trump Train, even if he starts spamming pardons, maybe especially then.
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Harton posted:Seriously like what the gently caress. Dude is in a coma and possibly braindead for thinking he was gonna get a sweet souvenir poster to show his friends. On the other hand what the gently caress were you thinking, like people ain't watching you at all times? I also wouldn't vacation in goddamn North Korea
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Jun 14, 2017 03:35
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This Russia stuff has fizzled out as expected. Unless we get a leak of a smoking gun, or Trump fires Mueller, this whole thing has been a wet fart.
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Edit: ^ let me guess you haven't really been keeping up but you're concernedempty whippet box posted:He attempted to obstruct justice against the investigation into whether he obstructed justice.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If core Trump staff and family members start getting led away in handcuffs it's gonna be a lot harder for people to stay on the Trump Train, even if he starts spamming pardons, maybe especially then.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:39
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TyrantWD posted:This Russia stuff has fizzled out as expected. Unless we get a leak of a smoking gun, or Trump fires Mueller, this whole thing has been a wet fart. Regardless of how bad of a thing happened with the Comey and Sessions testimony, did you think he was gonna be impeached like today?
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TyrantWD posted:This Russia stuff has fizzled out as expected. Unless we get a leak of a smoking gun, or Trump fires Mueller, this whole thing has been a wet fart. or mueller will investigate and find things and report on them and stuff will happen based on the results of that investigation which takes time? quote:The affair began with the arrest of five men for breaking and entering into the DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex on Saturday, June 17, 1972. The FBI investigated and discovered a connection between cash found on the burglars and a slush fund used by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President (CRP), the official organization of Nixon's campaign.[4][5] In July 1973, evidence mounted against the President’s staff, including testimony provided by former staff members in an investigation conducted by the Senate Watergate Committee. The investigation revealed that President Nixon had a tape-recording system in his offices and that he had recorded many conversations.[6][7]
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Now imagine that number after the ACA is shot dead
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:oh my sweet lord jesus christ In a narrow sense, yes, some inherited wealth should be legal. Should it be capped? Maybe. Should there be a preposterous progressive tax / tax above a threshold? Almost certainly. If Donald Trump were "only" allowed to receive one million dollars from Fred Trump, he'd still have the crazy-rear end connections and opportunities afforded by being Fred's
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Harton posted:Seriously like what the gently caress. Dude is in a coma and possibly braindead for thinking he was gonna get a sweet souvenir poster to show his friends. On the other hand what the gently caress were you thinking, like people ain't watching you at all times? It was for a dare from his frat iirc.
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The Glumslinger posted:He was endorsed by Vermont Senator and former presidential candidate Bernie Sanders; Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren; columnist and chair of Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign John Podesta; Center for American Progress and Center for American Progress Action Fund President and CEO Neera Tanden; and Khizr and Ghazala Khan. So what do people on the aggressive left think about this? Do they trust Sanders' opinion or distrust Podesta's more?
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awesmoe posted:or mueller will investigate and find things and report on them and stuff will happen based on the results of that investigation which takes time? Counterpoint: we're all dead, the Nazis have won, Heil Trump.
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Here is a Thought on the matter of Mattering: It seems like one of the key issues of how the public and congress will deal with revelations about Trump and clearly illegal behavior is whether we think the reaction will be linear or whether it will follow a more dramatic trajectory at some point. Like, most people agree that congress has changed its behavior in allowing subpeonas of Republican figures, being willing to stand up to Trump at least in word, and the like. And there has also been a small and noticeable change in Trump's approval rating, including among his base. And all of that is so far with evidence of things that look suspicious but are not clearly criminal. The question is, if something clearly criminal is revealed, do we just get another linear reaction where McCain goes from disturbed to disappointed, and Trump loses another 4% of public support? Or do things reach a tipping point? I honestly don't know. My own theory is that, at a certain point, the reaction will change in quality and not just in quantity, but I don't have any evidence for that.
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Is Mueller retired? It's common to use retired people to head up this kind of investigation, both for the combination of seniority and availability but also because they don't need to worry about how this is going to affect their career.
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TyrantWD posted:This Russia stuff has fizzled out as expected. Unless we get a leak of a smoking gun, or Trump fires Mueller, this whole thing has been a wet fart. Oh OK then "Mueller’s Investigation of Obstruction of Justice: The Next Steps" https://www.justsecurity.org/41934/muellers-investigation-obstruction-justice-steps/
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TyrantWD posted:This Russia stuff has fizzled out as expected. Unless we get a leak of a smoking gun, or Trump fires Mueller, this whole thing has been a wet fart. I can't figure out whether you are trolling or just have not been keeping up. I have a thread for news about the Russian investigation, which is lower volume than this one, and mostly derail free. But to recap: Four members of Trump's campaign team have known, public connections to Moscow, and one of those (Flynn) has admitted to something that is clearly a crime. At least two members of Trump's campaign/administration have admitted to turning in incorrect information for a security clearance. The NSA has revealed that Russia actively attacked 39 state voting systems. Mueller's team is massive, and includes some of the most important criminal investigators in the United States. There is also a simultaneous investigation by the DCIS, although that one has been quiet. If you are used to the type of Kabuki theater of congressional investigations, the quietness of the Mueller and Pentagon investigations might seem like nothing is going on. And it is possible that nothing is going on, but the lack of leaks from Mueller isn't a sign of that. Its a sign they are doing a thorough, professional job that probably involves lots of legal and financial investigation that doesn't turn into good "leaks".
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