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hey let's look at the investor slide deck: * Ultima Online is twenty years old * 1MM total players is not that many these days * No crowdfunded MMO has ever worked This slide is amazing, and I would like whomever wrote it to be my marketing consultant. It's absolutely brilliant. This slide misses the point by such a wide gulf I'm surprised the author's soul hasn't torn from their body. I... I love this slide.
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extra stout posted:are you kidding me lmao HOLY poo poo. "to get everyone to not be interested in the game" Is this a joke? Am I being pranked? Where's Alan Funt? What's going on here? And they accuse you of legal threats in the same breath. That's equally great.
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Thursday Next posted:hey let's look at the investor slide deck: UO being the single fact on the entire thing that is worth being proud of is hilarious, *ONE OF US DID A THING IN 1997! THAT'S WORTH SOMETHING, MONEY NOW EVEN. Thursday Next posted:HOLY poo poo.  vote this up on steam so a few devs and customers see it before the unpaid forum mods delete it, thanks http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=946158492 extra stout fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Jun 13, 2017 19:14
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Hey to be fair They have TWO guys that made UO, not one
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Jun 13, 2017 19:34
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The forums are getting rid of those who ask for refunds, they are being cleansed of all the je-- jerks.
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Jun 13, 2017 20:10
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hey lum, why don't you come on down and try to explain all this poo poo to us, the people who helped pay you for a couple years thanks
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TheAgent posted:hey lum, Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More: 8: Because "I don't post here in any official capacity" is respected about as often as Richard's sartorial choices? 7: Because extra stout mocked me in LOTRO? 6: Low tolerance for being screamed at incoherently? 5: Reddit has new, shinier hatred? 4: goons.txt 3: Because I literally cannot by law talk about anything investment related thanks to SEC rules? 2: Because, surprisingly, many people who post in these threads confuse "working somewhere" with "making all the decisions"? 1: I hate you?
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whats it like to be on a very public sinking ship?
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Lum_ posted:Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More: trying to deflect customer complaints with sarcasm and bans is an effective way to defuse rather than incite tension, as shown by these fine products:
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Lum_ posted:Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More: You should tell richard to just sell his house for 35 million dollars and retire. sit on a beach and take it easy, leave the mmo scene and video games scene alltogether. i hope you qualify for unemployment.
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Jun 13, 2017 21:18
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Can someone just make a new Ultima game? It'd be cool to have a single player game.
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Thursday Next posted:And yeah I know reddit is popular, but just in case you were being sarcastic, I really dislike the weird comment structure they have going on. I find a lot of stuff is hidden (why?), deleted, or linked separately on a second page. It's bizarre to my old-person eyes. I can't count the number of times I follow a link to "holy crap check this thread out" only to see it deleted. And nobody quotes it, cause their comment structure is a butt. I wasn't being sarcastic; reddit is terrible. Crowdfunded game subreddits, doubly so.
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Jun 13, 2017 21:29
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Lum_ posted:Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More: Lum the Mad
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Good Dumplings posted:trying to deflect customer complaints with sarcasm and bans is an effective way to defuse rather than incite tension, as shown by these fine products: I'd be shocked if many of the complaints come from actual customers. This is SA, home of the 
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Lum_ posted:Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More:
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DancingShade posted:I'd be shocked if many of the complaints come from actual customers. This is SA, home of the wtf
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Lum_ posted:Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More: I have always liked you Lum and will continue to do so. Everything is fine. This is all okay.
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DancingShade posted:I'd be shocked if many of the complaints come from actual customers. This is SA, home of the lol yes, the best way to deal with massive criticism is to dismiss it and pretend everyone else is a troll, and furthermore
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Lum_ posted:Top 8 List Of Why Lum Doesn't Post Here Any More:  member when you used to have thick skin? when you used to rip into terrible mmos?
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Lum_ posted:5: Reddit has new, shinier hatred? Yeah but their hatred is largely directed at women and minorities, not video games. Why would you want that? Also I still think you are gnarly and hope you find a job at a non-sleazy company very soon.
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New to the thread, is Lum this thread's MoMa?
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IncredibleIgloo posted:New to the thread, is Lum this thread's MoMa? Nah, MoMa was a creepy shill masquerading as a random goon. Lum is a fairly well-known person on the fringes of the mmo industry; he's not a shill as he's been using the same username across multiple sites for at least the last twenty-odd years. Most of us know his real name. He never hid the fact that he was employed at portalarium. He came to fame a long long time ago by running a site like SA but just for Ultima Online, though he later branched out to games / life / philosophy in general. He has a lot of banked credibility, even in this age of lovely idols caught eating turds (garriot, Roberts, Schafer, etc). The reason for that is probably precisely because he was always on the fringe; he's not a Dev or a designer or an artist. He started out by complaining about the bullshit in a weird and crummy industry. He's more like this thread's Cyster (from wildstar).
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Seems Garriott is doing an AMA next Tuesday. I have a nagging feeling that will not go well for him. How the hell does anyone in the company think that is a good idea?
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Lum the Mad lost his job at the dick sucking factory
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HungryMedusa posted:"to get everyone to not become interested in the game for trolling reasons" Also the one redeeming thing about this project: Who remembers when Iolo played 'stones' for us live on stream? Then read a two paragraph line Richard made him read about how excited he is to join us on the 3D adventure of the future of gaming. Did Garriot end up selling Iolo's hand made (real) crossbows for him on the webstore like he promised? Was he contracted to do the soundtrack for the game, and if so how many tracks do we have access to now four years later? edit Don't expect the Webinar to be anything other than Garriot lying about how modest their budget has been and how carefully he has utilized it, hasn't taken a single call or question from anyone who isn't on the payroll, literally mentioned Ultima and being an astronaut for ten minutes Garriot: "We need to hire new people, not in writing, developing or game design, but now in marketing and sales" Third obvious in staff question on Webinar and "sorry that is all the time we have and we will not be able to answer anymore questions" The whole thing was the same pitch from years ago with a few new lies thrown in and a claim that "this game will be able to make 12-15 million dollars a year even if it only makes as much money as Ultima Online did at 10 bucks a month" extra stout fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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That Webinar was weird. For a company seeking investors, there was little to no detailed market analysis, company financials, no accounting for current liabilities (what's owed for pre-orders), and then at the end Garriot just throws out "Well, we could have 100k players paying $10/month in the future" for a game that's explicitly episodic, and not subscription based. He spent most of the time discussing past achievements (including being an astronaut), details about the game, and very little discussing investment in the company, plans for profitability, market conditions, etc. Even when it came to "What happens if you don't get the money", it seemed to be, "We've always matched the size of the company to the size of the income stream, and we will continue that" (quotes are paraphrases, not exact quotes).
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Trammel posted:That Webinar was weird. For a company seeking investors, there was little to no detailed market analysis, company financials, no accounting for current liabilities (what's owed for pre-orders), and then at the end Garriot just throws out "Well, we could have 100k players paying $10/month in the future" for a game that's explicitly episodic, and not subscription based. It's because it's not aimed at real investors. SeedInvest in this context is used as a way of laundering the bad rep that comes from a second round of crowdfunding. I'm not real smart & haven't looked at the prospectus for SotA anyway, but in crowfall's seedinvest campaign, a goon pointed out that the "liability" they reported for an outstanding share was less than 10% what they were charging for shares. As an investment it's abysmal because you receive a pittance of ownership in return for your money. It's not an investment it's a largely-worthless backer reward. EDIT: It also doesn't hurt that you can do a crowdfunding campaign where you can say that hey you know it's not me refusing to explain what the gently caress's going on, it's this darn government tying my hands, I'd love to tell you but this was too good of an opportunity for you, our esteemed customer, to not gag myself. 30.5 Days fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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IncredibleIgloo posted:New to the thread, is Lum this thread's MoMa? Lum is the thread's Caydiem
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Has someone cloned pre-t2a UO and modernized the engine a bit but mostly left it the same and it's up and it's the best game ever yet? No? Oh well I'll check back in another 18 years.
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30.5 Days posted:It's because it's not aimed at real investors. SeedInvest in this context is used as a way of laundering the bad rep that comes from a second round of crowdfunding. I'm not real smart & haven't looked at the prospectus for SotA anyway, but in crowfall's seedinvest campaign, a goon pointed out that the "liability" they reported for an outstanding share was less than 10% what they were charging for shares. As an investment it's abysmal because you receive a pittance of ownership in return for your money. It's not an investment it's a largely-worthless backer reward. lol thank goodness obama eased securities regulations, or id never have the opportunity to be scammed like this
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I can't decide if Garriot is extremely successful or a hack. A lot of times I listen to him talk and think "Yeah, this guy is smart." Then I remember he has a rat tail and Persian Club Owner level of jewellery. He's been hugely successful at scamming people through crowdfunding and while he hasn't reached star citizen levels of money, not even Chris Roberts thought to crowdfund crowdfunding. I'm not sure if I'm depressed or impressed.
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kaempfer0080 posted:I can't decide if Garriot is extremely successful or a hack. A lot of times I listen to him talk and think "Yeah, this guy is smart." Then I remember he has a rat tail and Persian Club Owner level of jewellery. He's been hugely successful at scamming people through crowdfunding and while he hasn't reached star citizen levels of money, not even Chris Roberts thought to crowdfund crowdfunding. I'm not sure if I'm depressed or impressed. He's a hack op
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soy posted:Has someone cloned pre-t2a UO and modernized the engine a bit but mostly left it the same and it's up and it's the best game ever yet? No? Oh well I'll check back in another 18 years. Isn't this just Legends of Aria/Shards Online?
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30.5 Days posted:Isn't this just Legends of Aria/Shards Online? Yea that's what I hoped but it seems like a total train wreck over there, maybe it will pull its poo poo together. Never actually played it but seems like another pre-release swamp of false promises.
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30.5 Days posted:Lum is the thread's Caydiem So what's Lum's equivalent of silent fang?
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things are great here at Portalarium and in an effort to completely silence all criticisms of our terrible piece of poo poo MMO-hybrid thing, we've decided that squelching people on our official message board isn't enough to that end we've created a new reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/SotA_Official/ ! that way you don't have to see the last six people who actually play this complain about how broken it is give us money! the game is awesome! money! yay $$$$
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kaempfer0080 posted:I can't decide if Garriot is extremely successful or a hack. A lot of times I listen to him talk and think "Yeah, this guy is smart." Then I remember he has a rat tail and Persian Club Owner level of jewellery. He's been hugely successful at scamming people through crowdfunding and while he hasn't reached star citizen levels of money, not even Chris Roberts thought to crowdfund crowdfunding. I'm not sure if I'm depressed or impressed. He's got the same problem Chris Roberts has. They haven't produced poo poo in well over a decade and development has moved on from the days where 5 guys could bang out a game in a year.
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TheAgent posted:
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