UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Rarity posted:

How the hell is it ok to have a fire safety sign that goes "You should be safe"?

Would you prefer that they lie?

# ? Jun 14, 2017 09:54

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# ? May 14, 2024 08:09

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

Aphex- posted:

Bingo. But yeah there were some dumb issues when it first started because turns out using third parties to install the smart meters is a stupid idea because they just pass the buck onto the supplier. Learned that lesson though!

I still shudder when I see a Lowri Beck van. Also it wasn't fun back when they'd hired hundreds of extra CSAs but none of the operations people to support them, so as soon as someone said the words "smart meter" you knew it was going to be a half hour wait to speak to one of the two people who knew anything about the bloody things. Glad it's going better over there now.

Darth Walrus posted:

Emma Dent Coad, the new Labour Kensington MP, is a motherfucking architecture historian specialising in social housing.

She probably knows all this already, but type up an e-mail and send her all this suspicious, blatantly corrupt poo poo and watch those shitbirds get stomped.

Of all the possible people in all the possible positions this is :perfect:

# ? Jun 14, 2017 09:55

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

The Insect Court posted:

It explicitly argues that if Labour had run someone from the 'socialist wing' without Corbyn's creepy extremism on foreign policy stuff they would have done even better, which is obviously unprovable but almost certainly true even just as a theoretical exercise. Unless anybody thinks Corbyn was vital in delivering the all important pro-Milosevic vote.

First time I've ever heard of anyone describing Our Corbs as 'creepy'. As opposed to his opponent, of course.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 09:59

Biggus Dickus: May 18, 2005; Roadies know where to focus the spotlight.

Seems the company that supplied the cladding went into liquidation.

Companies House link.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 09:59

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Firos posted:

Aluminium is quite reactive with oxygen. The reason it doesn't burn when you have your coke can in your hand is because it is covered in a thin film of aluminium oxide which does not burn. Strip away that layer with heat, and it'll happily react with all that oxygen.

Something something Falklands war something something HMS Sheffield. Olds should actually know this.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:00

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Biggus Dickus posted:

Seems the company that supplied the cladding went into liquidation.

Companies House link.

It looks like the director sold it to himself, though:

quote:

Assets of the firm were sold in a pre-pack deal to Harley Facades, although 11 staff were made redundant.

Harley Facades is run by former Harley Curtain Wall director Richard Bailey,

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:01

farraday: Jan 10, 2007; Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Heard two witnesses on Five Live saying they saw the fire spread through burning cladding.

You can literally watch it spread around the outside of the building in the early photos.

1:45 AM
https://twitter.com/dongingerillo/status/874790190849634314

2:02 AM
https://twitter.com/dongingerillo/status/874794193369038849

2:38 AM
https://twitter.com/dongingerillo/status/874803157125279747

3:27 AM
https://twitter.com/dongingerillo/status/874815533329371138

farraday fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Jun 14, 2017

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:02

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Zephro posted:

quote:
Facades

Somebody thought themselves very clever here.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:03

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Can we just take a moment to be dumbstruck by this:

quote:

Uber board member resigns after sexist remark at meeting addressing sexism

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:04

Plasmafountain: Jun 17, 2008

feedmegin posted:

Something something Falklands war something something HMS Sheffield. Olds should actually know this.

And even older people should tell you about burning aluminium planes from WW2. You virtually cannot read an autobiography or biography of anyone in the RAF without someone remarking on the burning smell.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:05

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Firos posted:

Aluminium is quite reactive with oxygen. The reason it doesn't burn when you have your coke can in your hand is because it is covered in a thin film of aluminium oxide which does not burn. Strip away that layer with heat, and it'll happily react with all that oxygen.

Oh I know. I meant after the whole HMS Sheffield thing from the Falklands you'd think the oldies in the UK would remember the pitfalls of using aluminium in any fire prone environment.

feedmegin posted:

Something something Falklands war something something HMS Sheffield. Olds should actually know this.

EF;B. You turn your back on a thread for one minute...

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:06

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Thermite is basically just aluminium with an oxidiser.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:09

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/874895867899260928

Also in schools: https://www.abi.org.uk/news/news-articles/2016/08/government-warned-against-abandoning-school-sprinkler-guidance/

quote:

Proposed changes to guidance governing how schools are built would alarmingly undermine efforts to reduce the risk of fire, the Association of British Insurers (ABI) warns today.

The redrafting of a document known as BB100 replaces a Government commitment, �that it is now our expectation that all new schools will have sprinklers fitted� with a sentence stating the opposite: �The Building Regulations do not require the installation of fire sprinkler suppression systems in school buildings for life safety and therefore BB 100 no longer includes an expectation that most new school buildings will be fitted with them.�

Prediction: this will be reversed quickly

Zephro fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Jun 14, 2017

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:09

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

DancingShade posted:

Oh I know. I meant after the whole HMS Sheffield thing from the Falklands you'd think the oldies in the UK would remember the pitfalls of using aluminium in any fire prone environment.

Sheffield was steel and the ones that were aluminum and burned were found to have not been in any way due to that. There were some earlier aly fires on navy ships, but no significant ones in the Falklands afaik.

It still didn't stop a lot of people claiming that there were though, so you're right that they should remember that bit.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:09

ukle: Nov 28, 2005

Guy on BBC now says his Mum and sister were rescued at 6am from the 11th floor, as they were on the side that wasn't burnt. Hopefully that means the death toll wont be as high as some fear.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:10

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Guavanaut posted:

Sheffield was steel and the ones that were aluminum and burned were found to have not been in any way due to that. There were some earlier aly fires on navy ships, but no significant ones in the Falklands afaik.

It still didn't stop a lot of people claiming that there were though, so you're right that they should remember that bit.

I could be mixing up ship names. I just remembered the aluminium one(s?) burning to the waterline.

But yeah a burning Exocet is going to set fire to pretty much anything regardless of what it is constructed from. I'll shut up to avoid derailing.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Jun 14, 2017

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:10

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

communism bitch posted:

Can we just take a moment to be dumbstruck by this:

If anyone hasn't listened to the Uber episode of The Dollop podcast, it should go right to the top of your to do list. It's just 90 minutes describing everything wrong with capitalism being played out over a few short years by one company.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:10

Mugsbaloney: Jul 11, 2012; We prefer your extinction to the loss of our job

Let's hope that the smell of cooking children doesn't reach Richard Bailey's nostrils.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:11

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

God, what a horrible thing to wake up to.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:12

fridge corn: Apr 2, 2003; NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN

Party Boat posted:

But how are people who can't even afford energy saving bulbs or 5p plastic bags supposed to stretch to this???

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:13

slinkimalinki: Jan 17, 2010

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/is-grenfell-tower-a-firetrap/

loving years of warnings.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:14

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

"Questions will be asked"

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:17

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Thanks Ants posted:

"Questions will be asked"

Cricket bats will be purchased and bought to the questioning.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:18

UrbicaMortis: Feb 16, 2012; Hmm, how shall I post today?

Corrode posted:

I reckon you're at Ovo because when I worked there they were rolling out smart meters disastrously and then it turned out people were switching and their smart meter which had taken six months to get installed didn't work as intended any more. Also they kept hooking up meters in places where they couldn't get signal, then relying on rolling out a signal-booster which didn't yet exist to make the whole thing usable.

Agreed though, energy companies are dying for accurate, reliable meter readings because loving about with over/under estimation and rebilling is a huge waste of time and money.

I work at ovo at the moment and yeah, they're dying for smart meters since they just discovered they're taking a multi-million pound loss because they're paying for loads of energy that it turns out customers aren't actually using.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:18

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
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I AM THERESA MAY

A list of things that I'm no expert in would include "criminal law", "negligence", "the law of landlord and tenant", as well as most other relevant practice areas, but:

I'm pretty sure criminal charges would need to demonstrate gross negligence, which is very hard to demonstrate; and,
Bringing criminal charges against a natural person acting in the course of their employment would require the Crown to demonstrate that they were acting as the "controlling mind" of the company, which is nigh-impossible to demonstrate; but,
Somebody mentioned causation: this wouldn't be a problem in ordinary negligence (i.e., for a claim in tort, rather than a criminal claim), which requires factual causation (i.e., a but for test - but for the dumb design, would people have died?) and legal causation (the negligence must be both operative, meaning that nothing broke the chain of causation, and substantial, meaning that it had a greater than de minimis contribution to the damage). My opinion is that both elements of causation are present, so a claim would only depend on whether the Council breached the standard of care that a reasonable person would expect.

BBC Complaints Team posted:

Dear [Borrovan]

Thank you for getting in touch about our video from 2015 of Jeremy Corbyn�s comments on a shoot-to-kill policy.

Firstly, we should point out that this video was not republished or promoted by the BBC. It appeared on our Most Watched section because, for whatever reason, large numbers of people were viewing it. Most Watched is an automated facility that simply surfaces those videos receiving the greatest number of hits.

As for the BBC Trust�s investigation, this referred only to how this clip was presented in an edition of the BBC News at Six on TV. The online video was not the subject of a complaint.

The interview was carried out in the wake of the Paris attacks of November 2015 and that was clearly the backdrop to the questioning - the full interview can also be found on our site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34830750/in-full-kuenssberg-interview-with-jeremy-corbyn-about-syria).

However, because this video has resurfaced in the context of an election campaign, we have reviewed the wording to ensure it sets out the situation as clearly as possible. We have also taken into account that new page formatting had removed the year from the datestamp. This wider issue is currently being tackled.

We hope that addresses your concerns and thank you again for raising this matter.

Kind Regards

I actually complained about their wider reporting on "shoot to kill" rather than just the video, and it's a little late to just correct the date on it, but I guess the bolded part is encouraging. Still waiting on a response to my other complaint.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:22

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

I'm obviously not a fire-regs expert, but I've been thinking about the design idea of fireproofing flats and telling people to stay put. Seems like the problem is while it's fine if it works it has an utterly disastrous failure mode if it doesn't - ie if anything goes wrong, if there's a hole in the fireproofing or whatever, it is guaranteed to kill people. Is it just that there's no better alternative?

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:22

Obliterati: Nov 13, 2012; Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

Tories now using the fire as a reason not to finalise a coalition deal today, says BBC/Guardian (phone posting)

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:23

slinkimalinki: Jan 17, 2010

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-57219349.html

Decent view of exterior cladding in the last photo and also whoops.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:23

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Borrovan posted:

I actually complained about their wider reporting on "shoot to kill" rather than just the video, and it's a little late to just correct the date on it, but I guess the bolded part is encouraging. Still waiting on a response to my other complaint.

Don't let them wiggle out of it. If you complained on the substance of what "shoot to kill" actually means you should point that out and keep asking until you get a relevant response.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:24

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

lots of flammable cladding discussion now it seems

also claims that a lot of newer builds are coated in these

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:26

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Obliterati posted:

Tories now using the fire as a reason not to finalise a coalition deal today, says BBC/Guardian (phone posting)

loving weasles.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:26

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

quote:

Andrew Goldman, the director of Rydon, the company responsible for the Grenfell Tower's refurbishment, has told ITV's Good Morning Britain: "We don't know there is any direct link between the fire and cladding."

Source

Yea, I bet finding that out is going to be a real journey of discovery for him.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:27

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Zephro posted:

I'm obviously not a fire-regs expert, but I've been thinking about the design idea of fireproofing flats and telling people to stay put. Seems like the problem is while it's fine if it works it has an utterly disastrous failure mode if it doesn't - ie if anything goes wrong, if there's a hole in the fireproofing or whatever, it is guaranteed to kill people. Is it just that there's no better alternative?

The better alternative is having evacuations down multiple escape routes and multiple sets of stairs. Because fires can last more than an hour, can happen in a way that isn't containable to one room, can produce deadly levels of co2, and can structurally weaken a building to the point where it could collapse.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:27

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

communism bitch posted:

loving weasles.

Well, even I'd prefer the government to deal with the on-fire stuff today.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:28

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

RandomPauI posted:

The better alternative is having evacuations down multiple escape routes and multiple sets of stairs. Because fires can last more than an hour, can happen in a way that isn't containable to one room, can produce deadly levels of co2, and can structurally weaken a building to the point where it could collapse.

Right, and that's why I posted earlier about how all the tower blocks I've ever lived in (which is a lot) have at least two separate staircases. On the other hand, they were all built after 1974, and in a part of the world in which tower-block living is the norm.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:30

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

TACD posted:

Source

Yea, I bet finding that out is going to be a real journey of discovery for him.

Keep digging, motherfucker

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:30

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Junior G-man posted:

Well, even I'd prefer the government to deal with the on-fire stuff today.

Not sure that MPs can do much about it.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:30

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Junior G-man posted:

Well, even I'd prefer the government to deal with the on-fire stuff today.

What, do you expect Theresa May to be down there personally helping out with the bucket chain?

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:30

iSimian: Jan 19, 2008; Well, there's your problem!

Don't worry. According to the insurance agency "The fire will mainly be picked up by Protector's reinsurance program and will, from what we know at the moment, have negligible influence on Protector's net Q2 and 2017 full year results."

Full statement on their press release for stock owners this morning;
http://www.newsweb.no/newsweb/search.do?messageId=429593

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:32

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# ? May 14, 2024 08:09

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

quote:

Sajad Jamalvatan, a biomechanical engineering student who lives with his mother and sister on the third floor, said he was returning from the cinema at about 1.30am and could see the fire from the station.

Police officers wouldn�t allow them near the building. �I could see it wasn�t safe,� he said. �They pushed us back and pushed us back.�

He believed the fire started on the floor above his flat, and his mother got out very fast. �She smelt the fire and got out of the house. She could see stuff coming from the floor above her so she was panicking.�

She left with only her passport and Jamalvatan�s sister�s passport.

Like several other residents of Grenfell Tower, he told the Guardian: �There were no fire alarms at all.�

Jamalvatan said he saw someone jump from the 17th or 18th floor between 2.30am and 3.30am.

He added that the fire appeared to spread quickly up the cladding, which he described as plastic and which may be PVC, on the outside of the building.

�The fire hit the outside of the building � and as soon as it did that it went straight up,� he said.

Another witness from a neighbouring building, who asked not to be named, said: �If you had been here at 1.30 you would see it spreading rapidly � I�ve never seen a fire spread as quickly like that.�

A man who gave his name only as Taz said he lives in the block immediately below Grenfell Tower. �I heard screaming and shouting and looked out of my window,� he said. �You could see kids waving from the windows. You could hear, �Mummy, daddy� � I just ran down the street. The police were telling us the block�s going to collapse.�

People were crying outside for their family,� he added. �It wasn�t a good sight to see.�

His uncle, Abdul Wahabi, lives on the 18th floor and hadn�t been heard from. �My uncle�s still stuck up there,� he said. �We haven�t heard anything from him. We�re still waiting.�

Taz added that the only immediate support was being organised by the local community. �I don�t see any local authorities, I don�t see the council,� he said. �It�s just local people getting together helping each other out. Some people have lost their homes.�

Welp.

# ? Jun 14, 2017 10:34

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