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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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iSimian posted:Don't worry. According to the insurance agency "The fire will mainly be picked up by Protector's reinsurance program and will, from what we know at the moment, have negligible influence on Protector's net Q2 and 2017 full year results." Well that is just loving vile.
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Zephro posted:Right, and that's why I posted earlier about how all the tower blocks I've ever lived in (which is a lot) have at least two separate staircases. On the other hand, they were all built after 1974, and in a part of the world in which tower-block living is the norm. Multiple fire exits are a capacity, not a redundancy, thing. If the fire penetrates the core, where the fire exits are, all bets are off.
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iSimian posted:Don't worry. According to the insurance agency "The fire will mainly be picked up by Protector's reinsurance program and will, from what we know at the moment, have negligible influence on Protector's net Q2 and 2017 full year results."
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Zephro posted:Don't let them wiggle out of it. If you complained on the substance of what "shoot to kill" actually means you should point that out and keep asking until you get a relevant response. Yeah, I'll probably shoot them something to the effect that "in addition to clarifying the date of a two year old video, that was widely reported elsewhere, after the election being a woefully inadequate response, your response completely fails to address the wider issue of the meaning of shoot to kill, which means [what it means] and was instead presented as [bullshit], with the effect of grossly misleading the public with regard to Jeremy Corbyn's policies", but I'm kinda busy right now.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:35
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slinkimalinki posted:http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-57219349.html Okay how bad a person am I that I saw 'no longer on the market' and let out a little laugh?
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namesake posted:Okay how bad a person am I that I saw 'no longer on the market' and let out a little laugh? "Excellent potential"
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Zephro posted:Right, and that's why I posted earlier about how all the tower blocks I've ever lived in (which is a lot) have at least two separate staircases. On the other hand, they were all built after 1974, and in a part of the world in which tower-block living is the norm. hong kong and singapore both mandate two separate staircases
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Jun 14, 2017 10:38
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Thanks Ants posted:"Excellent potential" Realtor agents and the like really do live in their own seperate dimension of bullshit, don't they. Who falls for this stuff anymore?
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Nice piece of fish posted:Realtor agents and the like really do live in their own seperate dimension of bullshit, don't they. Who falls for this stuff anymore? Well we don't have 'realtors' in this country, but yeah. (Actually, pretty sure in yankland it's literally supposed to be REALTOR®)
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Jun 14, 2017 10:41
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iSimian posted:Don't worry. According to the insurance agency "The fire will mainly be picked up by Protector's reinsurance program and will, from what we know at the moment, have negligible influence on Protector's net Q2 and 2017 full year results." Wow this has made me physically shake with anger. loving soulless monsters obsessed with the bottom line.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:43
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namesake posted:Okay how bad a person am I that I saw 'no longer on the market' and let out a little laugh? wrongmove.co.uk
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Jun 14, 2017 10:43
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quote:Extraordinary stories are emerging of individuals who helped save those trapped in the tower - including one member of the public who caught a baby thrown from the ninth or 10th floor. Holy poo poo, hope that baby's alright. Nine story drop into someone's arms.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:45
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Multiple fire exits are a capacity, not a redundancy, thing. If the fire penetrates the core, where the fire exits are, all bets are off. I don't follow the "core" thing. In the States the design philosophy is "have multiple ways to exit the building, don't put them all in one place". This includes having stairwells and/or external fire escapes in different locations. Because if one route is taken out at least there are other routes. Edit: It took a lot of fires to learn that lesson, but we'd definitely learned it after a lot of fires killed dozens to hundreds of people from the early-1900s to the mid-1940s. Two fires had death tolls of over 600 (The Iroquois Theater fire) and nearly 500 (The Coconut Grove fire), with the various hotel fires generally killing about 100 people or so. RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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both also have relatively high degrees of emphasis on fireproofing safe parts of the building - makes sense because of historically large residential fires, exceptionally large numbers of high-rise residential towers, and also a relatively mild climate allowing for a more cavalier attitude to insulation and damp
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Jun 14, 2017 10:45
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communism bitch posted:loving weasles.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:45
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We really do need a new generation of guillotines. https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jun/14/tax-evaders-exposed-why-super-rich-are-even-richer-than-we-thought Tax evaders exposed: why the super-rich are even richer than we thought quote:for all their merits, tax data raise an obvious issue: by their very nature, they entirely miss tax evasion. Is this a serious problem? That depends: if tax evasion is equally prevalent among rich and poor, measured inequality will be unaffected. But if the rich dodge taxes more than others, tax records will underestimate inequality. quote:The higher one moves up the wealth distribution, the higher the probability of hiding assets. Scandinavian households in the top 0.01% of the wealth pyramid the ultra-rich, who own more than $40m in net wealth each are 250 times more likely than average to hide assets. Furthermore, the ultra-rich HSBC customers had considerably more wealth in their accounts than other customers so although they were very few in number, they owned around half of all the wealth hidden at HSBC. quote:So what are the consequences for inequality? At the very top of the pyramid, it is much greater than previously estimated. In Norway, where the available wealth data is particularly detailed, the super-wealthy appear to be 30% wealthier than previously thought, when all the wealth hidden in tax havens is taken into account. The share of wealth owned by the top 0.1% increases from 8% to 10%.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:45
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BBC reporting a baby was thrown out of the 9th or 10th floor to bystanders below!
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Nice piece of fish posted:Realtor agents and the like really do live in their own seperate dimension of bullshit, don't they. Who falls for this stuff anymore? There's a development near me that's offering "Unique Properties" advertised as being in "Bristol" in "The Heart of BS15." They're building poo poo flats in a poo poo town which is not actually in Bristol, which absolutely no-one wants to live at "the heart of," but don't let that get in the way of marketing.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:46
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Junior G-man posted:Well, even I'd prefer the government to deal with the on-fire stuff today. What the gently caress can the government do about it now? The time they could have helped was years ago, ensuring regulations existed that mean companies can't get away with taking shortcuts on things that have literally cost human lives. Since I woke up I've been a mix of furious & horrified about this tragedy. It's hard to wrap your head around.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:47
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Thanks Ants posted:"Excellent potential (energy)"
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communism bitch posted:How can we expect to encourage captains of industry to build more
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feedmegin posted:Well we don't have 'realtors' in this country, but yeah. *estate agents yeah, got mixed up. Corrode posted:There's a development near me that's offering "Unique Properties" advertised as being in "Bristol" in "The Heart of BS15." Not that anyone is stupid enough to belive any of it, it's still absolutely moronic from a consumer perspective. Should be considered false advertising and subject to fines. But I guess that's that dreaded socialism again.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:53
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Presumably that sort of listing is geared at overseas investors/speculators who won't bother to check and just want a place to hide some cash.
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Zephro posted:Was this even a slum dwelling? Going by that Rightmove posting it was £2k a month for a flat, but even paying the UK's average salary in rent alone didn't mean you lived in a safe building Wow. I saw somebody upthread say it was council owned but privately managed and for some reason assumed it was social housing of some sort.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:56
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Jun 14, 2017 10:57
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The blog reads as if it was social housing. So I don't know wtf is up with that real estate listing. Sub lease?
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RandomPauI posted:I don't follow the "core" thing. In the States the design philosophy is "have multiple ways to exit the building, don't put them all in one place". This includes having stairwells and/or external fire escapes in different locations. Because if one route is taken out at least there are other routes. Almost all tall buildings (>10 stories) are curtain-wall construction. You have a continuously-poured reinforced-concrete core, and then hang the floors from that with an exterior wall that probably isn't structural (or if it is only provides stiffening to the core and support for it's own weight). Because the core is solid concrete it is trivial to fireproof and so that's where you put your fire escapes (and lifts, so people have much less chance of getting trapped in them if there is a fire). If fire manages to make it into that core it's all over. Smoke impingement is also a big problem (especially as the stairwells tend to act as chimneys and can actually draw fire into the core) which is why there's always a very solid door separating the core from the rest of the floor. Putting fire exits outside the core but inside the building is pointless because it damages the compartmentalisation of the building. I've never seen an external fire escape on a curtain-wall building, only on lower-rise buildings, because they're extremely unlikely to be effective for multiple reasons - a lot of people will be unwilling to use them until it's too late, they require expensive constant maintenance because they're exposed to the elements, and are actively dangerous in wet or icy conditions. Also have you seen the pictures? I don't think an external fire exit would have been the wisest choice.
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communism bitch posted:Wow. I saw somebody upthread say it was council owned but privately managed and for some reason assumed it was social housing of some sort.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:59
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Zephro posted:I guess it could have been a mix of private and social flats, idk. That's generally how these "regenerations" of old council blocks go. Because the councils can't afford to do them up, they sell a percentage of them to developers to raise the cash for the refurb and to pay for new places for the displaced residents.
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Jun 14, 2017 11:01
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£1,972/mo (before bills) to live in a shoebox on the 18th floor of a criminally negligent deathtrap.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That's generally how these "regenerations" of old council blocks go. Because the councils can't afford to do them up, they sell a percentage of them to developers to raise the cash for the refurb and to pay for new places for the displaced residents. That would explain why the flat in the ad seems to have a reasonably high-spec kitchen.
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Private Eye weighs in, it's not a jammy bastard: https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/874922353372925952
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Captain Mediocre posted:£1,972/mo (before bills) to live in a shoebox on the 18th floor of a criminally negligent deathtrap. Capitalism!
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Thanks Ants posted:Why is "I'll take the flammable foam and aluminium cladding, please" even an option that companies produce? It's called the Zhonghua Renmin Gonghe Guo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DUP deal has now been put off till at least next Monday because of the fire. Its not at all due to the talks are allegedly getting nowhere, as the government would never use a national tragedy as a good cover.
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Jun 14, 2017 11:06
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Let's put the external fire escape stuff to the side then. In the US, in our highrises, there are multiple stairwells in multiple locations. Because tall buildings having just one stairwell has lead to many hundreds of deaths. We learned this lesson by the 1940s. Because we had many hundreds of deaths because there was only one set of stairs leading to just one exit.
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Captain Mediocre posted:£1,972/mo (before bills) to live in a shoebox on the 18th floor of a criminally negligent deathtrap. quote:- No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants Willing to say sorry about the pets, no apologies for the rest...
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Captain Mediocre posted:£1,972/mo (before bills) to live in a shoebox on the 18th floor of a criminally negligent deathtrap. If only the invisible hand could have gently lowered those poor people to the ground. Instead it fostered a culture of cost-cutting and negligence that has resulted in possibly dozens of deaths, and will no doubt end up with a new luxury tower block being built on this spot, with the flats being sold for millions each to foreign billionaires.
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