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flakeloaf posted:https://twitter.com/SensChirp/status/874781226976104448 It's OK everyone already knows Ottawa's organization is bad.
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Hockles posted:Sup Off-Ice Official Bro w00t  gotta love it
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Do the on ice officials give you guys a hard time like asking if you're working in your skating or to have another doughnut?
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Scaramouche posted:Do the on ice officials give you guys a hard time like asking if you're working in your skating or to have another doughnut? Nah, they are too busy to worry about us plebes.
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Scaramouche posted:Do the on ice officials give you guys a hard time like asking if you're working in your skating or to have another doughnut? They only give us a hard time if you're a goal judge with an itchy trigger finger (I know some of those). It is fun chatting with them during tv timeouts when working in the penalty box
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https://twitter.com/freckledbutt/status/874815429042208769 Never leave Hags
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KingShibby posted:w00t Question, is there anything you DON'T do?
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iospace posted:Question, is there anything you DON'T do? Shibby don't do rebounds.
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Is there going to be a stream of the parade tomorrow?
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The Golden Man posted:looking around the league im not sure reinhart is the 10th best d available let alone 6th I mean I think they could take him and immediately trade him to like Montreal for a 2nd or 3rd.
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/freckledbutt/status/874815429042208769 Like, he literally had to spend time practicing that.
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Zodijackylite posted:Shibby don't do rebounds. Nice Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I mean I think they could take him and immediately trade him to like Montreal for a 2nd or 3rd. You misspelled Beaulieu
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Benson Cunningham posted:Like, he literally had to spend time practicing that. That's why it owns so much
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Imagine I said it in an excited voice, not a confused one.
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In honor of Tayne's ridiculous ban and probe, Go Pittsburgh: I loving hate baseball, but drat I love PNC Park. 
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iospace posted:Question, is there anything you DON'T do? Get laid 
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Why in the holy hell does Todd Nelson not have an NHL job? Teams should be fighting over this guy.
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cenotaph posted:Is there going to be a stream of the parade tomorrow? Check Pens website for a link to a local news channel stream of the parade.
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bewbies posted:Why in the holy hell does Todd Nelson not have an NHL job? Teams should be fighting over this guy. fire holland fire blashill hire nelson
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Krime posted:Check Pens website for a link to a local news channel stream of the parade. WPXI is live streaming. I believe all 3 have coverage, though.
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Fun fact, since WW2 Pittsburgh teams are a collective 14-3 (Steelers 6-2, Penguins 5-1, Pirates 3-0) in their sport's championship round
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14-4 if you count the war itself.
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The Pirates horning in on the Penguins is pretty funny. Three Penguins were alive last time the Pirates won a world series. Kunitz wasn't even a month old
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ElwoodCuse posted:Three Penguins were alive last time the Pirates won a world series. Wow. gently caress global warming.
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it's time for the 2017 SAS Fantasy Draft!!!! it's a fun way to spend the summer, I'm hoping to get the draft going in the first week of July https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3823680 come prove your superiority to all of goondom and show the real NHL GMs that they don't know jack
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I mean I think they could take him and immediately trade him to like Montreal for a 2nd or 3rd. Ah I see, OK.
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Rangers signed Puempel to a new contract so they're compliant with the expansion draft now.
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There was an offer sheet mentioned about Holmgren, but what is an offer sheet in the context of the NHL and why did it make him a crazy man?
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Kalenn Istarion posted:There was an offer sheet mentioned about Holmgren, but what is an offer sheet in the context of the NHL and why did it make him a crazy man? He signed Shea Weber to a 14 year $110M contract while he was an RFA with the Preds. The Preds matched, but the ensuing drama was fantastic. https://www.nhl.com/news/weber-agrees-to-14-year-offer-with-flyers/c-638240 In the NHL players under 27 (roughly there are some caveats to that) become restricted free agents when their contracts expire. Players over 28 become UFAs can sign with anyone they like. However, restricted free agents can technically sign with whoever they like (called an offer sheet) as well but their original team has the right to match any contract and the team that signed the player to the offer sheet has to forfeit draft picks as compensation (based on the player's salary - the highest it can go is four 1st round picks) if it's successful (i.e. not matched). They would be fun it they were ever used, but there's been I think 3 successful offer sheets in the last 20 years or so out of maybe 10-15 extended. There's an unwritten rule among NHL GMs that offer sheets are out of bounds, and they're big news when they actually happen. Offer sheets are generally a pretty serious overpayment for the player in question to make a team think twice about matching it, but Homer's offersheet for Weber was just so insanely expensive and totally against the no offer sheets thing that it had a pretty serious cooling effect on them after that. I think there's been one since (O'Reilly signing with Calgary) and that was immediately matched. Teams just don't use them because they love colluding to keep salaries down. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Offer sheets are contracts sent to another team's RFA. They're not allowed to negotiate or talk, they just send a contract offer over and the player decides if they want to sign it or not. If the player signs, the team that owns their rights has a period of time (a week I think?) to match the offer. The player cannot reject this matching. If the team does not match, the contract is valid but the new team must compensate the old team. The compensation is picks based on the value of the contract. At the high end it can be 4 first round picks but I think that's something crazy like $9 million cap hit these days to get that high. NHL GMs are old cranky assholes and they hate offer sheets because it either forces their hand, or steals a player. So Homer didn't just do that, but he crafted a crazy one: https://capfriendly.com/players/shea-weber Philly offer sheeted him and he signed. That contract structure is a poison pill for a smaller market like Nashville. They didn't have cash reserves. At the time it was reported Nashville could barely afford the signing bonus, which is due on day 1 of each season. They matched it anyway because it's Weber but they didn't like it.
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As an idea of how rare and not used they are, the last successful offer sheet was ten years ago when the Oilers signed Dustin Penner away from the Ducks and it cost them 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. It came about a month after the Oilers offer sheeted Thomas Vanek to a 7 year $50M deal but was quickly matched. There have been five offer sheets since, all of them immediately matched and none since 2013. They were more of a thing in the 90s (mostly because the Blues loved them and sent out about 10 in a 5 year period including one for Scott Stevens that cost them 5 first round picks. They'd have Stevens for all of one year before having to sacrifice him as offer sheet compensation for Brendan Shananan who they also signed because an arbitrator determined they didn't have anything worthwhile to give up. Since the lockout they've been very rare and really done more as a mean spirited retaliatory thing by GMs than a legitimate attempt at team building. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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In the bigger picture, Holmgren was convinced teams were built through free agency and trading prospects/picks, and was infamous for signing players to ludicrous deals. The Weber deal forced Nashville's hand, he was either coming to Philadelphia or would be stuck in Nashville for a long drat time. Weber was thrilled with it because the contract was both gigantic, and completely guaranteed money.
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Of course we don't actually know how often they're sent out. Just that they're rarely signed. Subban received some when he was up, but didn't sign any.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:There was an offer sheet mentioned about Holmgren, but what is an offer sheet in the context of the NHL and why did it make him a crazy man? A team is allowed to offer a contract to another team's restricted free agents, which that player's current team must either match the offer and keep the player for at least one year, or let the player go in exchange for compensation in the form of draft picks commensurate with the player's salary (and the signing team's draft position, of course). It's a dick move because it forces the player's current team to either pay money they might not have, or trade a player they'd rather keep for picks they don't want that probably won't turn into useful players anyway. Oh hey I have to type faster
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Sometimes they result in Brian Burke trying to rent a barn to stage a fist fight so really someone needs to offer sheet Sam Bennett.
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These are the current NHL compensation values: $1,295,571 and below - Nothing $1,295,572 to $1,962,986 - 3rd $1,962,987 to $3,925,975 - 2nd $3,925,976 to $5,888,960 - 1st and 3rd $5,888,961 to $7,851,948 - 1st, 2nd and 3rd $7,851,949 to $9,814,935 - Two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd $9,814,936 and above - 4 1sts And also notably you can't offer sheet if you don't have the needed pick in the next draft (or next 2-4 in the top tiers.) And you can't have 2 signed outstanding offers that need the same pick. So teams need to be strategic about it and can't just carpet bomb offer sheets. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Matt Zerella posted:Rangers signed Puempel to a new contract so they're compliant with the expansion draft now. Probably an OK hedge on losing Fast to the expansion draft as well. I think Fast is better but Puempel is decent in a 4th line role
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Sometimes they result in Brian Burke trying to rent a barn to stage a fist fight so really someone needs to offer sheet Sam Bennett. If offer sheets make him unhappy then maybe he should've become a swimmer.
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wow, the Rangers also named Jed Ortmeyer as director of player development (taking over for what Drury did I think) as well as Steve Eminger as pro scout. Haven't heard of 'ol Jed in a long time. Also named Ben Prentiss head of strength and conditioning. Feel like I've heard a lot of players working with him in the offseason.
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Every team should be preparing a max length/amount offer sheet for McDavid, right now, and if they're not the NHLPA should sue for collusion and or antitrust violations.
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