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Did they seriously just buff the Mc 202/205? 
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Jun 14, 2017 12:31
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Azran posted:Did they seriously just buff the Mc 202/205? nice
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Jun 14, 2017 12:38
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whoa what
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Jun 14, 2017 12:48
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Yeah wow looks like it doesn't compress as much now 205s are now extremely good
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Jun 14, 2017 13:50
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Why would they buff the extremely good plane.
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Jun 14, 2017 13:52
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chairface posted:Roll rate's better, engine's strong, elevator authority's good. The Fw190 is a reasonably agile plane, actually. It doesn't really seem it up against Brits or Soviets, or compared to the 109 in areas other than roll rate but you can clown a lot of American planes with it. Also not to get all Wehraboo about it but this Russian-made game might not be entirely accurate or fair involving direct German-Russian comparisons *cough*. Gaijin tries to get the flight/armor/gun models as accurate as possible for their games. Any Russian Bias is more just reducing a vehicle here or there 0.3 BR lower than it should be...such as the early T-34's being at 3.3 way back when.
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Jun 14, 2017 14:19
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I really feel like the Germans are the US of the bad dudes, as they seem to be taking an unusual flavour of trying to turnfight in 109s/190s or just dying really rapidly in a dogfight also apparently the 202 was able to outturn spitfires, but I guess we'll never see that?
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Jun 14, 2017 14:55
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I kinda feel like, in general, if you're one on one with a spit at equal altitude and the spit pilot isn't a drooling idiot (big if) you're in serious poo poo.
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Jun 14, 2017 14:58
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spitfires are just like blatantly the best dogfighters of the war but the game is actually amazingly balanced for being based off of wikipedia articles idk about other variants but the general consensus was that the La5FN was just straight up better than 109s in every way at the time except for top speed and high alt performance which is reflected well enough in this game but overall you don't see high altitude dogfights anymore unless very experienced players are involved. also the Yak3 was apparently so amazing that german pilots were quite literally instructed to not engage them at all unless from a very conservatively high altitude but the most famous  aces are significant not because of their kill count but because of just how terribly stacked the odds were against them. Go fly a Mig-3/Aircobra then imagine using that plane in a 5:1 or even 10:1 ratio against 109s.russians were still loving with biplanes longer than anyone else iirc and i really seriously doubt it had anything to do with their flat circle turn times as that kind of only matters in a f2p cartoon videogame the performance differences between all of these planes are cool to compare in a perfectly standardized cyber arena where everyone takes off at around the same time but realistically when you get the jump on someone even a plane liek a corsair or p38 can be horrifying in its agility when it's loving diving on you over 3x faster than your level cruising speed at neutral energy.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:00
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Night10194 posted:I kinda feel like, in general, if you're one on one with a spit at equal altitude and the spit pilot isn't a drooling idiot (big if) you're in serious poo poo. Yeah planes which are "die if you meet in equal situations" generally include Spits and P-36s, which are amazing stuntplanes
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Jun 14, 2017 15:02
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Alkydere posted:Gaijin tries to get the flight/armor/gun models as accurate as possible for their games. Any Russian Bias is more just reducing a vehicle here or there 0.3 BR lower than it should be...such as the early T-34's being at 3.3 way back when. It amazes me how long the T-34E stayed at 3.3. have about 30 deaths and about 230 kills in that thing because you may as well have been invincible. Some blatantly OP tanks stay that way for ages.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:04
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ArchRanger posted:It amazes me how long the T-34E stayed at 3.3. have about 30 deaths and about 230 kills in that thing because you may as well have been invincible. Some blatantly OP tanks stay that way for ages.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:14
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Thief posted:spitfires are just like blatantly the best dogfighters of the war Are you sure that's not Zeroes? But yeah flying Britain and getting Military exercise so you suddenly have to fly against that premium LF Mk. 9 is hell 
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Jun 14, 2017 15:16
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It feels like playing my new F2H Banshee I'm constantly surrounded by MiG-15s and 17s.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:43
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ArchRanger posted:It amazes me how long the T-34E stayed at 3.3. have about 30 deaths and about 230 kills in that thing because you may as well have been invincible. Some blatantly OP tanks stay that way for ages. I got surprisingly good at killing them with German 20mm autocannons. If you get one from the side you can shoot at the tracks to reach fuel-tanks and the crew compartment to remove the driver and radio operator's feet. The walls are flat and they're weaker because they're behind treads. Not really a great place to shoot if you're using a normal tank because the treads will likely eat the shots (which is why that area is less armored) but with a rapid-fire weapon it was surprisingly effective. It got a lot better when the Pz. IV tanks were moved down from their BR 4-5 hell to a more appropriate BR 3-4. A lot of Shermans need the same treatment, but unless the middle of the US tier is filled out I suspect Sherman Hell will continue to be a real thing.
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Jun 14, 2017 16:02
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GrossMurpel posted:Are you sure that's not Zeroes? Japanese planes are easily my favorite but they are so highly specialized that it is easy to exploit their limitations even in sim. The thing about Spitfires is that they are actually capable of going pretty fast relative to how agile they are... I mean, you can still BnZ people in a Zero or Hayabusa but at that point you can probably fly anything and be alright. If you're caught off guard and getting jumped or suddenly find yourself in a ridiculous furball, then yeah Japan is the nation to be but you've already made a huge loving mistake if you find yourself in a situation like this unless you are trying to challenge yourself or simply show off your superior and honorabru cyber ace movez. Otherwise expect to be lit on fire if you don't disengage and return to the safety net of your base's AAA
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Jun 14, 2017 16:10
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The other thing about Spits is they climb like rockets, which can make trying to bait them into following you back up and stalling a risky proposal depending on their current energy.
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Jun 14, 2017 16:44
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Thief posted:Go fly a Mig-3/Aircobra then imagine using that plane in a 5:1 or even 10:1 ratio against 109s. Yeah, IL-2: Battle of Kuban is gonna own
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Jun 14, 2017 19:01
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News Flash: M46 now has HEAT-FS at 6.7, has become new slayer of IS-6's. Edit: Seriously, I don't think I can get used to the M46 being a good tank. I just slapped a couple T62's around with my M46 of all things. Lockmart Lawndart fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 03:55
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Thief posted:Japanese planes are easily my favorite but they are so highly specialized that it is easy to exploit their limitations even in sim. The thing about Spitfires is that they are actually capable of going pretty fast relative to how agile they are... I mean, you can still BnZ people in a Zero or Hayabusa but at that point you can probably fly anything and be alright. Doing a quick look up it seems the general consensus is that zero's are amazing turn fighters at low speeds but start to fall apart at high speeds, while Spitfires are great turn fighters at low speed but amazing at high speeds.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:19
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If by fall apart at high speeds, you mean "have limited control over whether an engagement happens because the enemy is faster", then yeah, that's a weakness exploitable by players with patience. Fortunately, not many do.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:38
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The Excelsior: Funny tank or Funniest tank: Everything but 2 kills and 1 cap were done in it. I must have taken 25-30 shots to the front from Pz. IV's, StuGs and even a Panzerwerfer without losing a single crewman. Even getting stuck with a broken tread while a Pz. IV in a tiny alley 600m away takes advantage of me not being able to shoot between the buildings to lay shot after shot into my front while I repair...and then repair again because I hit reverse 0.001 seconds too soon. What finally ended my rampage? A plucky Pz. III M flanking me and shooting my excuse for side armor while I was busy educating a pair of StuGs that I can penetrate their front armor, but they can't penetrate mine. Seriously, that thing has to be infuriating to face as a German: able to penetrate anything it sees just about anywhere, with enough frontal armor to bounce almost anything it faces, neutral steering to keep that front armor facing its threat. All with a higher top speed than a Pz. III or IV.
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Jun 15, 2017 06:30
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Lockmart Lawndart posted:News Flash: M46 now has HEAT-FS at 6.7, has become new slayer of IS-6's. Yeah I noticed they pushed this in the hotfix patch today. 305mm HEATFS with enough pen for the IS-6 at 30 degrees. Plus you still get the M82 for everything else. EDIT: First game, killed 3 IS-6 and 2/3s of my team was in M46. This is what I was hoping for.
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Jun 15, 2017 06:49
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Corky Romanovsky posted:If by fall apart at high speeds, you mean "have limited control over whether an engagement happens because the enemy is faster", then yeah, that's a weakness exploitable by players with patience. Fortunately, not many do. Sure but I also meant that the plane simply cannot do turns at high speeds, at least in terms of real life. They've only really been engaged in combat with each other a small handful of times.
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Jun 15, 2017 08:37
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This patch is the first time I've actually felt bad for the Germans at 6.7. They were so blatantly better than everyone else for so long it's still a little satisfying to see them get caught in the middle between the IS-6 and the roundabout ways Gaijin is trying to balance it, but they're in a pretty bad place right now it feels like.
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Jun 15, 2017 08:56
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yeah wow poor Germany looks like they'll just have to be more careful (like every other tank nation)
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Jun 15, 2017 09:04
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Recoome posted:yeah wow poor Germany looks like they'll just have to be more careful (like every other tank nation) I'm not saying they're screwed or anything, just that they went from having far and away the strongest 6.7 lineup to maybe the weakest. Japan might be worse? I've played/played against them so rarely I barely know what they have at that level.
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Jun 15, 2017 09:28
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Japan has a 6.7 lineup?
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Jun 15, 2017 09:50
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So I've learnt that P-40s also can outturn basically everything it faces bar biplanes. I was in the C.202 and probably victim to the most brutal reversal I've ever experienced, where a P-40 dumps landing flaps at high speed and does what the Corsair used to do, which is just turn like crazy. Like the P-40 was at a complete disadvantage and one turn and he's behind me. I'm adding the P-40 to the shitlist of "will not engage unless pilot is already tied up" because that was hosed
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Jun 15, 2017 12:29
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Recoome posted:So I've learnt that P-40s also can outturn basically everything it faces bar biplanes. I wonder if there's a gif for this specific situation...
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Jun 15, 2017 12:32
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Its probably the first time I've ever looked at a replay to see what happened
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Jun 15, 2017 12:36
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Recoome posted:So I've learnt that P-40s also can outturn basically everything it faces bar biplanes. Sounds more like he forced an overshoot/entered his corner speed.; I've never had any issues with P-40s, turn fighting or anything else. Were you in the 202ec? That's the only thing I could see having issues even if you were using your flaps correctly. BadOptics fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 12:36
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Nah it's the regular 202. The approach wasn't that much faster, it was just that he was pretty in front of me, and then he was behind. Honestly the 202 isn't an extremely turny fighter anyway, things like P-400s and poo poo will basically outturn it anyway (in my experience just now)
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Jun 15, 2017 12:43
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the 202 is an energy fighter and if you treat it like a turnfighter i will literally doxx you and nail a treatise explaining how much you hosed up to your door
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Jun 15, 2017 13:41
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Maybe P-40s changed recently because it looks like everyone who flies them got the memo about the turning thing, there is no way in hell you are outturning a P-40E in an C.202
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Jun 15, 2017 13:42
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P-40s got a flight model overhaul a few months back and its mg were buffed along with the rest just recently. Of course it's BR hasn't been changed and now it's the most brutal seal clubber since Boomerangs were first added.
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Jun 15, 2017 13:55
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That reminds me I should fly my Boomerang again. God, I love that stupid thing.
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Jun 15, 2017 13:56
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Night10194 posted:That reminds me I should fly my Boomerang again. What are preferred tactics with the boomerang? BnZ? Its top speed sucks rear end and it doesn't seem to be a great turner, I have somewhat inexplicably had some really good matches in it where anything I glance at dies though.
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Jun 16, 2017 01:37
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free hubcaps posted:What are preferred tactics with the boomerang? BnZ? Its top speed sucks rear end and it doesn't seem to be a great turner, I have somewhat inexplicably had some really good matches in it where anything I glance at dies though. SMDH. It's actually a great turner, only the biplanes, Zeroes and some Spitfires can out turn it. The Boomerangs used to be amazing but Gaijin overreacted and now they're over tiered. I still take them out in sim from time to time because they are super stable and easy to fly.
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Jun 16, 2017 02:42
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free hubcaps posted:What are preferred tactics with the boomerang? BnZ? Its top speed sucks rear end and it doesn't seem to be a great turner, I have somewhat inexplicably had some really good matches in it where anything I glance at dies though. You're in a British (Australian) Zero. Play it like one. It's a heavier, less turny Zero with better 20mms and infinity .30 cal rounds.
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Jun 16, 2017 03:00
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