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I tried Apoc Proudclad and actually thought it was a bit easier than the JS, but mostly because I felt more in control the whole time. For the JS, I relied purely on Last Stand shenanigans, but for Apoc I relied on RW Wall and just stacking breaks, and it was really, really smooth sailing. Lightning L85- Stacking Imperils and doublecasting Thundering Twinstrikes/Burst Commands Raijin L95- I threw down one Aura for safety, but Last Stand never got used because I kept damage under control, and he otherwise used his Burst to help with healing and then detonate Ramza L99- Shout, but I also threw down a Tailwind at one point. Barrett L80- My only Pentabreak, Barrett somehow never died Vanille L99- Heals, heals, and more heals.
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Well I managed to pug the 160 mp with mastery but the 220 still eludes me. I keep either getting a decent group that almost pulls it off but a dumb player hosed up in some way or I get nonstop retard groups who do dumb things like bringing shell and never using it or some other stupid thing. I want those stupid motes ugh.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:21
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Edge SSB really does cheese the hell out of the full throttle fight. The fact that it's Phys Blink and Last Stand means that everyone in the party can eat two hits for each cast. Throw in a Steal Power, and have Ramza use Chant on turn 2 for some stoneskin bubbles after shouting, (and a Tailwind on turn four after a quick Full Break for medals) and there's just never really any danger. Used Ramza USB as an RW for even more attack boosting and a party wide turn of noncharge to speed up the rest of the setup, and... yeah. Boss went boom.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:50
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Randabis posted:Well I managed to pug the 160 mp with mastery but the 220 still eludes me. My rule of thumb for MP is that if there's a critical scripted attack sequence its going to be real rough time with random pubbies cuz the chance of people doing specific things at specific times is next to none. Maybe try a goon group?
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Jun 14, 2017 11:49
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I know about all this and did run with an unsuccessful goon group. I was just trying it a few more times before bed when no goon groups were up.
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Jun 14, 2017 16:07
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I'm real salty about the JumpStart fight. It seems like you need so many different things for it to be doable. You need a few different kinds of defense buffs to keep juggling AND sources of lightning imperil AND enough sources of Last Stand to keep them up AND big damage BSBs or OSBs. My best attempt got him down to about 30% of his health, using Edge's Last Stand BSB, Relm's BSB, Ramza's BSB and Shout, Native SG on Tyro as an off healer with Full Break, Reno's BSB, and Lightning's BSB2 for damage and imperil. I'm not sure what I could do better here.
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Jun 14, 2017 18:35
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Uncle Ulty posted:I'm real salty about the JumpStart fight. Which is your RW? Is it Edge's Last Stand? If so, consider a heal Burst or USB (Selphie, Yuna or Eiko are really good) or maybe better yet, Ramza's USB. You may need to be zerging him more offensively. For me, stacking Ramza's BSB Wall and Protect was basically good enough to make all the attacks limp as hell in that middle phase, I didn't even have a Last Stand as Vanille's burst got me through his two big piercing attacks. Is Reno your next best Lightning user? Do you have any other options? I used Kain and Laguna. Randabis posted:I know about all this and did run with an unsuccessful goon group. I was just trying it a few more times before bed when no goon groups were up. What team are you bringing to this battle?
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Jun 14, 2017 18:48
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Also consider that Proud Clod is only 20% weak to lightning. If you have a better non-lightning DPS character you don't need to force yourself to use a lightning character. I
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Jun 14, 2017 19:09
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iamsosmrt posted:Which is your RW? Is it Edge's Last Stand? If so, consider a heal Burst or USB (Selphie, Yuna or Eiko are really good) or maybe better yet, Ramza's USB. You may need to be zerging him more offensively. For me, stacking Ramza's BSB Wall and Protect was basically good enough to make all the attacks limp as hell in that middle phase, I didn't even have a Last Stand as Vanille's burst got me through his two big piercing attacks. Is Reno your next best Lightning user? Do you have any other options? I used Kain and Laguna. I had Lightning's BSB2 as the RW - I was using Edge's SSB natively, alternating between that and having him use the RW Lightning BSB commands. I don't really have a ton of great options for Lightning elemental damage (and no native imperil lightning). The only lightning damage SBs I have are SSBs for TG Cid, Lightning, and Desch (none of which did enough damage to be worth using), and BSBs for Reno, Garnet, and Shantotto. I tried bringing Shantotto, but without an additional source of Faith for her, she wasn't keeping up. Other non-lighting items that may help are OK with BSB and OSB, Gilgamesh OSB and BSB, Ramza with Shout, Chant, and BSB, Agrias with Cleansing Strike and BSB, Tyro with Wall, and Beatrix and Warrior of Light BSBs. For healers I have Arc's Phys Blink Medica and BSBs for Relm, Eiko, and Aeris. What would be the best way to build my team given those options?
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Jun 14, 2017 19:10
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Thundercracker posted:Also consider that Proud Clod is only 20% weak to lightning. If you have a better non-lightning DPS character you don't need to force yourself to use a lightning character.  The problem isn't that so much as the fact it resists the Standard Elementals. If you've got a good Holy or Dark (EDIT: Or Poison) team that can stack some imperils, though, you can do just fine without Lightning elemental attacks. [citation needed: have yet to try this on the jump-start myself]
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Jun 14, 2017 19:13
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I was able to beat jump start easily enough with a mage team on my first try. Ashe BSB Cid Raines BSB Tyrio SG Vanille BSB Ovelia BSB RW Ramza's USB No last stand, no imperil, no hastega. Tyrio brought breaks and one of the healers brought protect.
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Jun 14, 2017 19:31
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Thundercracker posted:Also consider that Proud Clod is only 20% weak to lightning. If you have a better non-lightning DPS character you don't need to force yourself to use a lightning character. This. My only lightning bsb is raijin, so I just threw together a holy team. Wanted to run the wombo combo of agrias enholy to bsb imperil to osb. Also had hope osb (one of my 3 xiii sbs). Used edge last stand and rw ramza usb to throw out instant cast osbs to finish him off before he could do too much. He starts really slow until he hits 70% and the limiters come off, lots of time to get all set up to burn him down with whatever you've got.
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Jun 14, 2017 19:35
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I've been bringing vanille with her bsb and onion with bsb osb and blowback ssb and using whatever healing/utility/proshellgas/debuffs are needed for the groups for the turtle. We had a really good goon group earlier that just got unlucky on our 2 attempts. I have other things like Serah's bsb or wall but the groups I've been in haven't needed me to do anything else.
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Jun 14, 2017 19:41
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I feel like OK BSB+OSB combo will be great for these Full Throttles. Buffs magic and attack both so allowing for more versatile teams, and then you can use your OSB the next two commands to put in some damage from that slot.
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Jun 14, 2017 19:41
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YESSSS FUCKKKK YOUUU JUMPSTART! After my post above listing out my options, I realized I had the makings of a pretty solid Holy team, so I went in with OK BSB and OSB, Agrias OSB (Thundaga Strike for Mastery), Ramza BSB/Shout/Chant, Tyro with Wall (FB for Mastery), and Arc Phys Blink SSB, with a Ramza USB RW. I got an itchy trigger finger and started the burn phase slightly before he got to 70%, so I ran out of SB charges before he died, but I had enough juice left to close the deal. Mastered the fight with no one dead, and only 2 medals lost for damage. All I really wanted to do this week was Master that JumpStart fight for the 4* motes, given that I cannot stay connected long enough to finish MP fights. I am so relieved.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:19
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I feel so neutered without native OK BSB or a healer BSB.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:36
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Randabis posted:I've been bringing vanille with her bsb and onion with bsb osb and blowback ssb and using whatever healing/utility/proshellgas/debuffs are needed for the groups for the turtle. We had a really good goon group earlier that just got unlucky on our 2 attempts. I have other things like Serah's bsb or wall but the groups I've been in haven't needed me to do anything else. Do you have any of the Last Stand BSBs/USBs? That's probably the one thing that I'd bring over Vanille, if that's an option. Otherwise, you're probably doing all that you can, RNG be RNG. Good luck Uncle Ulty posted:I had Lightning's BSB2 as the RW - I was using Edge's SSB natively, alternating between that and having him use the RW Lightning BSB commands. I don't really have a ton of great options for Lightning elemental damage (and no native imperil lightning). The only lightning damage SBs I have are SSBs for TG Cid, Lightning, and Desch (none of which did enough damage to be worth using), and BSBs for Reno, Garnet, and Shantotto. I tried bringing Shantotto, but without an additional source of Faith for her, she wasn't keeping up. Is that Garnet's BSB 1 or 2? If you have Desch's imperil SSB (and he's leveled up), I'd bring him with Wrath and probably power breakdown and use him to RW Rapha's BSB which has a team faithga builtin. Bring Shantotto too and make sure both of them have as much defense as possible. If you happen to have a really strong Mage Sword (like Terra's bloodsword), this could open up some options for you: Desch: Wrath, PBD - Imperil Lightning Shantotto: Witch spells - BSB Tyro: Heal Fullbreak - SG Relm: Heal/Protectga - BSB Ramza: Wrath, Mentalbreakdown - BSB (equip him with the mage sword) Build up your SBs for the beginning phase. You'll likely go through an entire Wall to do this. Make sure you have at least 3 for Desch and 2 for Shantotto. Anyway, throw in your mitigation one more time, plus Ramza's BSB. Cast Desch's SSB at least twice, then Shantotto's BSB. Hopefully this will get you most of the way there. I'd use Ramza to keep building SB for Desch/Relm/Shantotto. Anyway, as Desch's RW wears off, start spamming his SSB again, RW Rapha on Ramza and unload everything. If you don't have a mage sword, just use Ramza more conservatively and cast RW on Desch again. I think this should do it, but give it a go, play around with it. And if I'm wrong about your Desch SSB, then I guess all that advice won't do.
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Pander posted:I feel so neutered without native OK BSB or a healer BSB. my inability to pull contemporary healing SBs is driving me insane right now, and I hope the medica banner is kind
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Jun 14, 2017 20:45
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i don't think i'd have cleared this A+ if i hadn't lucked out and finally gotten a decent healer burst in the WM lucky draw. just learned two things from MP: the 160 version of that stupid loving reptile still hits plenty hard if your teammates don't use their loving breaks. and you can use lightning's OSB on yourself. apparently.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:08
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Is this jumpstart fight like on par with Aeons and Ironclad or similar to the 5 220 fight? If it's that brutal i might give it a pass
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Jun 14, 2017 21:09
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wizard on a water slide posted:my inability to pull contemporary healing SBs is driving me insane right now, and I hope the medica banner is kind
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Servaetes posted:Is this jumpstart fight like on par with Aeons and Ironclad or similar to the 5 220 fight? If it's that brutal i might give it a pass Based on what everyone's been experiencing here, it's a bitch of a fight unless you have certain soul breaks. Some people are having luck with debuffing him into oblivion and buffing the team up well enough to handle the lasers, some are having luck with loading up on overpowered soul breaks and just damage racing it, and some of us are having luck with last stand spam. I've noticed a few people doing well with a balanced approach, but I figure if you have the soul juice all filled up from the start, it's more fun to lean into the gimmick.
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Servaetes posted:Is this jumpstart fight like on par with Aeons and Ironclad or similar to the 5 220 fight? If it's that brutal i might give it a pass I actually found it really easy, but depends on what relics you have. Wall, Defensive buff SB, Lightning Burst, Lightning Imperil and Insta-Medica plus decent attack buffing RMs make it cake. I RWed Shanttoto's chain Lightning for shits and giggles and basically had the thing on the verge of death by the end of my chain. Having abilities outside of wrath/lifesiphon plus the Attack RMs make a pretty big difference.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:22
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I'm completely lacking in meaningful lightning SBs but I have a lot of healer BSBs, some respectable BSBs, and native wall and Ramza USB do it might be doable.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:27
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Prav posted:i don't think i'd have cleared this A+ if i hadn't lucked out and finally gotten a decent healer burst in the WM lucky draw. I ended up pulling Asylum from the White Mage Lucky Draw and I swear to god I'm playing an entirely different game now. I previously had Eiko's BSB, which was pretty great in and of itself, but this is heads and tails a different experience.
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KataraniSword posted:
Like I said before, I beat both the Jump Start and the Apoc+ version with my A-Team of a Holy Imperil and Holy OSB plus Wall and Last Stand so yeah, it's very doable. Though I will note that both ended with one character downed in the last moments, so they were by no means effortless.
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AegisP posted:I ended up pulling Asylum from the White Mage Lucky Draw and I swear to god I'm playing an entirely different game now. Do you have Tyro's wall? Asylum is more like my victory cigar BSB at this point. Y'shtola's stuck on Wall duty and Proshellga/healing most of the time, I don't really get a chance to use Asylum until the fights almost finished and it basically seals the deal.
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iamsosmrt posted:Do you have Tyro's wall? Asylum is more like my victory cigar BSB at this point. Y'shtola's stuck on Wall duty and Proshellga/healing most of the time, I don't really get a chance to use Asylum until the fights almost finished and it basically seals the deal. I have no native Wall, so I always have to RW it.
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iamsosmrt posted:Do you have Tyro's wall? Asylum is more like my victory cigar BSB at this point. Y'shtola's stuck on Wall duty and Proshellga/healing most of the time, I don't really get a chance to use Asylum until the fights almost finished and it basically seals the deal. Ysh will wall and bsb is so drat good in full throttle. She didn't even carry heal spells, just armor breakdown for mastery and faith to boost up hopes osbs some more.
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I need to stop pulling on these but the itch was too strong today. None of the 5* were duplicates. Did I do well? (This was one of the Lucky Draws- the Black Magic one, I think?) 
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Jun 14, 2017 21:55
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Two of the best magic Lightning BSBs (Ashe and Rapha), two lightning+ armors (Ashe and Reynn), and an earth+ armor (Rinoa). Rapha's BSB alone would make that an amazing pull. It's essentialy a Lightning-element Raines BSB, but with MAG/RES buff instead of MAG/DEF, and a small heal on her CMD 1 instead of the Instant Cast.
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IllegallySober posted:I need to stop pulling on these but the itch was too strong today. None of the 5* were duplicates. Did I do well? Holy poo poo. Yes, you now have an amazing Lightning Mage team. If you didn't before, you definitely have the DPS covered to beat the A+ right now. way to go steve posted:Ysh will wall and bsb is so drat good in full throttle. She didn't even carry heal spells, just armor breakdown for mastery and faith to boost up hopes osbs some more. Oh yeah, I almost forgot I did finally get to bust them both out a the same time. That was awesome.
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IllegallySober posted:I need to stop pulling on these but the itch was too strong today. None of the 5* were duplicates. Did I do well? Congrats, you can now Magic the poo poo out of Proud Clad... Especially if you can add (natively or via RW) Garnet's BSB2 for the Imperil and the ATK/MAG Buff. AstraSage fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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I have lightning aoe ssb, shantoto csb, and rapha bsb, and raijin bsb, so I could do that, but no native wall, and all those dudes are 30-65 so not until next time it comes around :/ A lightning imperil would be cool but I only have dark/holy imperils.
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pichupal posted:Two of the best magic Lightning BSBs (Ashe and Rapha), two lightning+ armors (Ashe and Reynn), and an earth+ armor (Rinoa). iamsosmrt posted:Holy poo poo. Yes, you now have an amazing Lightning Mage team. If you didn't before, you definitely have the DPS covered to beat the A+ right now. AstraSage posted:Congrats, you can now Magic the poo poo out of Proud Clad... Wow, way better than I realized. Thanks, guys. Guess I have some leveling to do. I'll check but these might be my first lightning+ relics. I definitely did not have a lightning team before. On another note, has JP gotten more team slots than the 20 we have? With all the elementals and the realm synergy teams I feel like I could use another 5 or so.
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Apoc down! I think it would be a bad, bad idea to go for Champion, though. This is a 220 difficulty fight my foot, he was much harder than anything we got so far and that's taking into account that I was not able to beat Asura/Leviathan.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:00
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Armitage posted:Apoc down! I think it would be a bad, bad idea to go for Champion, though. This is a 220 difficulty fight my foot, he was much harder than anything we got so far and that's taking into account that I was not able to beat Asura/Leviathan. Yeah, I don't know if it was just overtuned to assume Cloud USB RWs or if it was just a bullshit fight by design, but he does way too much damage you can't actually mitigate reliably.
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A+ mastered finally. Ignoring the lighting weakness was definitely the way to go: OK with BSB and breaks Raines BSB Hope BSB+OSB (+Holy weapon and armor) Selphie USB Vanille BSB RW Wall I thought for sure my insta Selphie/Vanille combo would make this fairly straight forward but I wasn't pumping out the damage with lightning SBs (Kain BSB, Lightning OSB, Ramza Shout). The mage route worked much better; Hope's OSB was doing max damage. I guess I'll take the same team for Jump Start.
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KataraniSword posted:Yeah, I don't know if it was just overtuned to assume Cloud USB RWs or if it was just a bullshit fight by design, but he does way too much damage you can't actually mitigate reliably. I'm thinking it's more of a bullshit fight, especially with Laser in play. He hits too fast and hits too hard. There's not much that can hit him for over the damage cap unless he's imperiled. Armitage fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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