|
Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The bizarre idea that Peter Parker should have secret agent corporate espionage parents still baffles me. IIRC they brought back his parents in ASM 400 and it was for a weak sauce story that was quickly forgotten. There was no indication that anyone gave a poo poo about that idea, no great arc from the comics that was still discussed, nothing. They just invented a franchise element out of whole cloth and shoved it into the movie and IMO it was massively detrimental and you can feel the energy just drain out of the screen whenever it's happening. It was so stupid. Why does Ben Parker need to be James Bond? Most of what makes Spidey cool is that Peter Parker is a put-upon loser.
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:17
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 20:15 |
|
|
Logan was good
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:18
|
|
|
Basically, I want Spider-Man 3 Venon Suit attitude about the idea his parents were super spies.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:19
|
|
|
CelticPredator posted:Logan was good I still haven't seen it. Actually, I haven't been to the theater once this year because I'm so goddamn broke.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:22
|
|
|
You haven't missed much.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:24
|
|
|
Spiderman needs to have working class problems and social issues that spider-reflexes can't help him with. That's the aspect that makes him compelling and interesting. It puts a human layer on a very inhuman idea, a near-faceless insectoid man. In fact I would say that most of the decisions made about Spiderman - the jokes, the problems, the thought bubbles full of pathos popping out of his noggin while he contorts himself like a freaky puppet - serve to humanize the fundamentally inhuman aspects of the character. Unlike some people I didn't really care about skateboarding Peter or organic webshooters. Times change, there are no wallflowers anymore, and how Spiderman makes his webs isn't important. How he relates to the world and his place in it - that is important.Taking Spiderman from a working class young man with a lovely unreasonable boss, economic struggles, and social pressures and transforming him into the protege of an arrogant rich rear end in a top hat is a more fundamental change to the character than anything Snyder did to Superman IMO. Edit: as usual Hundu does the heavy lifting I do in about 1/10th the words.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:24
|
|
|
HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It was so stupid. Why does Ben Parker need to be James Bond? Most of what makes Spidey cool is that Peter Parker is a put-upon loser. Sony were also going to do an Aunt May spinoff/prequel where she was some sort of spy back when she was younger. They're weirdly obsessed with cramming a spy story into the franchise somehow.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:26
|
|
|
Hollywood is out of touch with the working class? I'm loving shocked!
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:33
|
|
|
Megaman's Jockstrap posted:insectoid man. I thought you were talking about Spider-Man.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:34
|
|
|
Snowglobe of Doom posted:Sony were also going to do an Aunt May spinoff/prequel where she was some sort of spy back when she was younger. They're weirdly obsessed with cramming a spy story into the franchise somehow. They're probably going to lose the Bond rights so they're desperately trying to turn anything into a franchise.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:39
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:Hollywood is out of touch with the working class? I'm loving shocked! It's beyond that. It's like they're being erased.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:45
|
|
|
Timby posted:They're probably going to lose the Bond rights so they're desperately trying to turn anything into a franchise. There's so many reboots and sequels to old old films in their future releases list, it's pretty sad. Jumanji reboot! Bad Boys 3 and 4! Charlie's Angels reboot! Masters of the Universe reboot! Flatliners .... uh, sequel? Soft reboot?
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:47
|
|
|
Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's so many reboots and sequels to old old films in their future releases list, it's pretty sad. Jumanji reboot! Bad Boys 3 and 4! Charlie's Angels reboot! Masters of the Universe reboot! Flatliners .... uh, sequel? Soft reboot? They should go full Asylum and secure the rights, get Uma Thurman/Ralph Fiennes/Sean Connery back and make The Avengers: The Infinite Wars
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 17:54
|
|
|
Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's beyond that. It's like they're being erased. Betting  that by the end SM:H, whatever laughably small financial issue the Parkers were facing is taken care of by Sugar Daddy Tony.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:02
|
|
|
Luuke. Mordiceius posted:Hollywood is out of touch with the working class? I'm loving shocked! Chris Pratt tired to talk about this, but everyone fell over themselves to call him racist. Apparently "working class films" are those that star Marky Mark.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:03
|
|
|
wyoming posted:Chris Pratt tired to talk about this, but everyone fell over themselves to call him racist. whats this now?
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:07
|
|
|
Cerepol posted:whats this now? https://twitter.com/thetrudz/status...4b00fa7de152734 https://twitter.com/jessicaesquire/...4b00fa7de152734
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:09
|
|
|
a movie about working class people won best picture this year
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:13
|
|
|
CelticPredator posted:You haven't missed much. Logan and Wonder Woman ended up being shining examples of what a comic book movie can be, so I'd say we're doing better than usual for the genre. Guardians 2 was pretty good.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:30
|
|
|
Attack of the clones.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:38
|
|
|
Logan I get. Wonder Woman was not good so I don't know why it's being lauded as a shining example. It may be good for what it means and represents but as a movie itself it sucked. Hulk, MoS, Hancock, Blades I and II are shining examples along with Logan.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:39
|
|
|
Multiplicity was Michael Keaton's finest work.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:39
|
|
|
Jenny Agutter posted:a movie about working class people won best picture this year It did indeed, but there was an exotic element to it. Also I love your name/avatar. Agutter was my first screen crush.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:51
|
|
|
Gatts posted:Logan I get. I mean, you can feel that way, but you're in the minority. Not saying you're wrong, I don't really have the time to get into a debate about it. But most people, critics and audience alike, love it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 18:54
|
|
|
I think one thing that's tough to discuss is that Hollywood may still be doing blue-collar heroes, but the WAY they do them has changed. This is not relevant to what I just said, but I was thinking about horror movies and how they used to take place in pretty normal suburban communities and now all the prominent ones I can think of are all about huge rich guy mansions getting invaded by bad guys.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:01
|
|
|
There's really no way to handle the Venom suit origin in a way that's not completely stupid but "intergalactic alien costume making machine" is probably the stupidest. Even Spiderman 3 hosed it up by having a random meteor crash right next to Peter and MJ by sheer happenstance instead of just having Jameson's astronaut son bring it back from space. Seriously, gently caress Spiderman 3.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:03
|
|
|
Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Multiplicity was Michael Keaton's finest work. Night Shift my dude.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:05
|
|
|
^^^ - whenever someone mentions Night Shift I always think of Night Breed, and I wrack my brain for when Keaton was an ambulance driver in a city full of monsters.  I honestly don't get the extreme love of the wonder woman movie aside from people maybe conflating their excitement for not only the first big comic female superhero movie but also the most iconic. I thought it was...okay?. Having a naive superhero (who is technically right in a loose sense) who later learns of the evils of mankind was interesting, and Diana showing her confused anger and frustration during the scene in the War Room where the generals are discussing throwing away the lives of their troops was nice, and the first action scene after breaking through No Man's Land was pretty cool, too. I just think the movie was incredibly hyped up, for solid reasons - much lighter tone, female led comic blockbuster, et cetera -, but that hype flowed over into actual critiques of the movie. It just felt rather shallow overall. I guess that makes a good comic book movie  Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I think one thing that's tough to discuss is that Hollywood may still be doing blue-collar heroes, but the WAY they do them has changed. Drifter fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 14, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:08
|
|
|
Drifter posted:I honestly don't get the extreme love of the wonder woman movie aside from people maybe conflating their excitement for not only the first big comic female superhero movie but also the most iconic. My mental checklist of what I loved about Wonder Woman: - Gorgeous cinematography. Granted this has been true about most DC movies lately (except Suicide Squad, which looked like garbage), this looks worlds better than any Marvel movie. - Good performances by the two leads. Diana pulled off naive yet far more capable really well, and Pine didn't seem to mind he was playing second fiddle when he's mostly leading man material. - Fun, memorable side characters, both in Themyscira and in WWI. - The No Man's Land scene was exactly my poo poo. - The Amazon's loving up some Germans on the beach is filled with shots and moments I won't be forgetting for a long time. - Action that builds off of context (Steve sees the shield move on the beach, knows what to do to help setup Diana to do her thing in the immediate post No Man's Land fight). - Wonder Woman being a super hero, coming up against death, darkness, and destruction, and needing to stop it, when everyone around her is trying to divert her. I don't need it in my super hero movie, but it's often left behind, so it's nice to see here. - Turning some comic book movie tropes on their head (Chris Pine gets put in the refrigerator). - I can count on one hand good WWI movies. It's not nearly as well covered in movies as WWII, and it's a particular interest of mine, so I loved seeing this. - After seeing Captain America use SUPER NAZIS for some reason, I liked that this movie said, "Eh, gently caress it, Erich Ludendorff is our villain". Even if it opens up some questions for what happens next in this universe. - I think it managed to be dark when it needed to be and funny when it needed to be. Which can be difficult. - And yeah, all that "What it means" stuff, but that's separate from what I'm saying here. Yeah, some of that is comparing to other movies, but, like, isn't that what we always do when we judge a movie? Only downside is that I think David Thewlis is pretty miscast, but meh, he does alright. As an aside, I'm stealing this observation from a Facebook friend. I gotta say that one important topic is being overlooked by absolutely everyone: Patty Jenkin's hilarious decision for a certain god to have a certain pedo-riffic mustache since the dawn of time and not just as a period accoutrement. It was an interesting decision but I for one really appreciated it
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:28
|
|
|
Drifter posted:I just think the movie was incredibly hyped up, for solid reasons - much lighter tone, female led comic blockbuster, et cetera -, but that hype flowed over into actual critiques of the movie. It just felt rather shallow overall. quoted my wife here.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:29
|
|
|
BiggerBoat posted:There's really no way to handle the Venom suit origin in a way that's not completely stupid Have you seen the movie Life?
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:37
|
|
|
The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Have you seen the movie Life? Life being the backdoor twist a la Split to Venom would have been awesome.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:43
|
|
|
Haha did we know Simon Kinberg was directing the next X-Men movie? I expect it to be as successful as David Goyer's directorial efforts.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 19:53
|
|
|
Brother Entropy posted:i vaguely recall it being a thing from ultimate spider-man Ended in a big cloud of nothing as well b/c Bendis didn't know like everyone else didn't know how to make Peter's parents interesting as well. The Amazing series of movies are just putrid. edit: woops, kinda wrong on the ultimate comics stuff, been a while since I read it. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 14, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 20:12
|
|
|
Timby posted:"Character puts a bunch of random, seemingly unconnected stuff up on a wall and tries to figure out the connection" isn't exactly a sequence pioneered by (500) Days of Summer. No. By structure I was more so referring to the use of folk rock music soundtracking the sequence where the protagonist is laying on their bed, hits a lightbulb, and starts to sort things out. Some of the shot compositions are nearly the same too. I'm pointing this out because both films are done by the same director.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 20:26
|
|
|
thrawn527 posted:Yeah, I wish more would handle them like the Ed Norton Hulk (however you feel about the rest of that movie). A montage over the opening credits of what we already know, and we're off for movie we actually want to tell. I feel like Blade was great at introducing a comic character in a way that almost completely sidestepped his origin. And when aspects of his origin are revealed throughout the movie, it actually flows well with the plot that the movie is already telling. Just one of many great things Blade did that subsequent comic book movies seem to have not remembered. Drifter posted:I just think the movie was incredibly hyped up, for solid reasons - much lighter tone, female led comic blockbuster, et cetera -, but that hype flowed over into actual critiques of the movie. Hmm, critics letting the popular consensus determine how they review a comic book movie, you say? That sounds a bit too conspiratorial to be true.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 20:31
|
|
|
thrawn527 posted:Yeah, I wish more would handle them like the Ed Norton Hulk (however you feel about the rest of that movie). A montage over the opening credits of what we already know, and we're off for movie we actually want to tell. This is was what Lynch was going to do if he got Spider-Man, a five minute opera during the credits of Peter is a dork, gets bitten by a spider, makes a suit, etc.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 20:40
|
|
|
LesterGroans posted:Haha did we know Simon Kinberg was directing the next X-Men movie? It was heavily rumored. He was lobbying for it the minute Singer announced he was done directing X-Men movies after Apocalypse (similar to how Bob Orci began openly campaigning to direct Star Trek 3 when Abrams said he was doing Star Wars). Not only is he directing it, he's the sole writer. When he's the sole writer, nothing good happens.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 20:41
|
|
|
Drifter posted:
Great characters, awesome action, great script. What's not to love?
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 21:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 20:15 |
|
|
Speaking of Spider-Man 3, there's a new Blu Ray set out there with an "editors cut" of the film, which looking at some of the changes online, it seems to cut a lot of the fat that really bog it down. I want to see it bad.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2017 21:50
|
|