Hashim posted:

gbuchold posted:

Right of Rule: Make peace with the French/Moroccans and crush this stillborn revolution. If they will accept it, release Galicia or other rebellious areas to focus on our core lands; they will still be weak and friendless when we have secured our place again.

Luhood posted:

Fellow Majils! I, Lutfi al-Uthman of the New Taifas, hear you all calling out for us to ally a strong Muslim power to strengthen our position. Now, I only ask of you one thing:


Please point out the possible candidates for such a things! As you'll soon find, there are none. There are currently only three strong Muslim Powers in the Mediterranean that aren't us: Morocco, Tunisia, and the Armenians. Two of those three are our Rivals and Enemies, and the third already is our Ally. I suppose that lavender-coloured one north of Armenia is possible, but what good will they be when France and Morocco comes breathing down our necks? What we need to do is stop having our heads stuck so far up the Dar al-Islam and start realizing how desperate we are for help. How desperate we are for allies. Any allies.



As such, I propose the simply named Bavarian Alliance Act. We need to ally with Bavaria as a means to protect ourselves from the French and our so called "Muslim Brothers" in Morocco. Only then, when we are safe from the overbearing sword of our rivalling neighbours, can we start even thinking about rebuilding.

Mountaineer posted:

I humbly propose that we dissolve the Majlis and put all power in the hands of the Sultan. This is the only path to bring stability and prosperity to Al-Andalus.

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

Could we just surrender to the rebels? What would happen?

Luhood posted:

I propose the simply named Bavarian Alliance Act. We need to ally with Bavaria as a means to protect ourselves from the French and our so called "Muslim Brothers" in Morocco. Only then, when we are safe from the overbearing sword of our rivalling neighbours, can we start even thinking about rebuilding.

Erwin the German posted:

I propose the Recognition Act: Let us end our rivalry with the Vakhtani Caliphate, acknowledge them as the Caliphate of Islam, and join forces so that in future wars against our true adversaries, the perfidious Christians of Europe, we are not so easily overwhelmed.

GunnerJ posted:

Proposing the Muslim Brotherhood Act: Prioritize cultivating a strong alliance with another Muslim power.

gbuchold posted:

Right of Rule: Make peace with the French/Moroccans and crush this stillborn revolution. If they will accept it, release Galicia or other rebellious areas to focus on our core lands; they will still be weak and friendless when we have secured our place again.

Hashim posted:

Got a couple proposals going:




Erwin the German.

Erwin the German posted:

Can you make it more clear that I'm talking about the Vakhtani Caliphate, just so people know who I'm referring to by "them?"

Hashim posted:

I've already made the best possible deal with them: some gold.

paragon1 posted:

I propose the We Need Tequila Now Act Establish 5 colonies on the mainland of Mexico.

Rodyle posted:

Taifas, huddle up!

Now, as to the Jizrunids, which royal rules is royal business, and not for we humble servants to stick our soft, fleshy necks into. With that said, I propose a bill for all of Al-Andalus! Even for our opposition parties, who sunk the Iberia-spanning super power we created into bankruptcy and civil war! It's almost like merchants are meant to advise, while imams and bootlickers are meant to be silent backbenchers!

The Mountains and the Sea
-An all mandates and quotas granted and demanded by Al-Andalus Under Arms are renewed
-Forbids aggressive action without sufficient funds or manpower, though what is deemed sufficient is at the sultan's discretion (save that there be no outstanding loans).
-Demands the construction of fortresses along the Pyrenees, to slow French advance
-in any conflict with France or Morocco, priority is to be given first with severing their alliance, and second to severing any relationship they possess with Iberian minors.
-in event of war with Morocco, the Navy is to block the straits to prevent Berber access to Al-Andalus
-Aggressive action against France or Morocco is only to be taken in the event that France is already distracted by another major conflict. Morocco's engagement or lack thereof isn't relevant.

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

I would support this, provided with one caveat: the capital should be returned to Cadiz. Toledo's vulnerability to French invasion and Christian uprising, along with it's youth, make it entirely unsuitable.

Rodyle posted:

fine

paragon1 posted:

Oh man, if only someone had foreseen that going to war with the Almoravids would be a bad idea, and result in Al-Andalus being caught in a two front war. Truly a shame. I guess we're Poland now.



I propose the We Need Tequila Now Act Establish 5 colonies on the mainland of Mexico.

paragon1 posted:

Oh man, if only someone had foreseen that going to war with the Almoravids would be a bad idea, and result in Al-Andalus being caught in a two front war. Truly a shame. I guess we're Poland now.



I propose the We Need Tequila Now Act Establish 5 colonies on the mainland of Mexico.

Rodyle posted:

The Mountains and the Sea

paragon1 posted:

Oh man, if only someone had foreseen that going to war with the Almoravids would be a bad idea, and result in Al-Andalus being caught in a two front war. Truly a shame. I guess we're Poland now.



I propose the We Need Tequila Now Act Establish 5 colonies on the mainland of Mexico.

Erwin the German posted:

My fellow Ulema, it is clear that our survival requires the patronage of a Muslim power on equal footing to us, one that has reached out to us before, yet we senselessly turned away in our boundless pride...

I refer, of course, to the Vakhtani Caliphate. I propose the Recognition Act: Let us end our rivalry with the Vakhtani Caliphate, acknowledge them as the Caliphate of Islam, and join forces so that in future wars against our true adversaries, the perfidious Christians of Europe, we are not so easily overwhelmed.

Frionnel posted:

I support this, but we should also expand the mississipi colony until it's self sustaining.

Frionnel posted:

I support this, but we should also expand the mississipi colony until it's self sustaining.

Technowolf posted:

I propose the Father of Rivers Act. We should make a self-sufficient colony (a colonial nation) in the Mississippi/Louisiana region (I forget what the colony region is called), declaring war on the native nations as needed to do so.

Aeromancia posted:

Hashim, how does our technology and development compare to the rest of Europe/Africa?

TildeATH posted:

Proposing Noble Sultana, Save Us from Ourselves which entails kissing up and making nice and developing as many allies as we can in this time of weakness and cupidity on the part of her disloyal snakelike Majlis.

Hashim posted:

Four of the five colonies needed to establish a Louisiana colonial nation are already self-sustaining, so if paragon's proposal passes, I'll just finish up the fifth and then change the focus.

TildeATH posted:

Proposing Noble Sultana, Save Us from Ourselves which entails kissing up and making nice and developing as many allies as we can in this time of weakness and cupidity on the part of her disloyal snakelike Majlis.

Erwin the German posted:

My fellow Ulema, it is clear that our survival requires the patronage of a Muslim power on equal footing to us, one that has reached out to us before, yet we senselessly turned away in our boundless pride...

I refer, of course, to the Vakhtani Caliphate. I propose the Recognition Act: Let us end our rivalry with them, acknowledge them as the Caliphate of Islam, and join forces so that in future wars against our true adversaries, the perfidious Christians of Europe, we are not so easily overwhelmed.

GunnerJ posted:

Proposing the Muslim Brotherhood Act: Prioritize cultivating a strong alliance with another Muslim power.

I'm kinda tired of us being a Muslim nation on the rear end-end of Dar al-Islam with no other major Muslims to call friends. Gonna leave it the Sultan's hands who to approach, but I don't think making nice with Morocco would be a bad idea.

Mikl posted:

I propose the Peace For Our Time Act: make peace with France and Morocco, as long as the peace terms do not involve any loss of territory in the colonies.

quote:

Envoys were quickly dispatched to Marrakesh, offering a white peace to finally end the war, which had dragged on for a decade by this point. Al Andalus still held the fortress at Ceuta, so the Almoravids agreed to the offer, and the French finally withdrew their troops from Iberia.

Erwin the German posted:

My fellow Ulema, it is clear that our survival requires the patronage of a Muslim power on equal footing to us, one that has reached out to us before, yet we senselessly turned away in our boundless pride...

I refer, of course, to the Vakhtani Caliphate. I propose the Recognition Act: Let us end our rivalry with them, acknowledge them as the Caliphate of Islam, and join forces so that in future wars against our true adversaries, the perfidious Christians of Europe, we are not so easily overwhelmed.

Rodyle posted:

Taifas, huddle up!

Now, as to the Jizrunids, which royal rules is royal business, and not for we humble servants to stick our soft, fleshy necks into. With that said, I propose a bill for all of Al-Andalus! Even for our opposition parties, who sunk the Iberia-spanning super power we created into bankruptcy and civil war! It's almost like merchants are meant to advise, while imams and bootlickers are meant to be silent backbenchers!

The Mountains and the Sea
-An all mandates and quotas granted and demanded by Al-Andalus Under Arms are renewed
-Forbids aggressive action without sufficient funds or manpower, though what is deemed sufficient is at the sultan's discretion (save that there be no outstanding loans).
-Demands the construction of fortresses along the Pyrenees, to slow French advance
-in any conflict with France or Morocco, priority is to be given first with severing their alliance, and second to severing any relationship they possess with Iberian minors.
-in event of war with Morocco, the Navy is to block the straits to prevent Berber access to Al-Andalus
-Aggressive action against France or Morocco is only to be taken in the event that France is already distracted by another major conflict. Morocco's engagement or lack thereof isn't relevant.
-The capital is returned to Cadiz sure why not