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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Corbyn needed to appoint someone to his right to the NI brief if Labour are ever going to have even a cordial relationship with Unionists (well the UUP) Which was one of the reasons why he struggled to keep it filled for any length of time, though Dave Anderson's main problem was being too busy to properly engage outside of voicing positions in parliament
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No Tim this isn't a press conference, it's an intervention. Turn around and face us!
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Jun 14, 2017 20:18
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Malcolm XML posted:Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young. So Corbyn is Cohen The Barbarian then?
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Jun 14, 2017 20:18
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So Corbyn is Cohen The Barbarian then? I'd read that book, what kind of jam do you think Cohen makes?
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Jun 14, 2017 20:25
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Miftan posted:I'd read that book, what kind of jam do you think Cohen makes? Is jam kosher?
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Jun 14, 2017 20:27
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Miftan posted:I'd read that book, what kind of jam do you think Cohen makes? Don't talk to Cohen the Barbarian about jam, how do you think he losht those teeth?
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Jun 14, 2017 20:30
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Malcolm XML posted:Is jam kosher? Almost always, yes!
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FWIW, Secretary of State for NI is commonly regarded as the worst posting in the Cabinet. It is the "please stay out of the way" posting. It is a job where none of your successes get applauded, Northern Irish failures get attached to you whether you were involved in them or not, and you have to divide your time between being in your constituency, the official NI government residence Hillsborough Castle (unrelated to *the* Hillsborough - it is a big, empty, sad palace) and London so it runs you ragged. It is very much the bitch job. The only thing you get out of it is the chance to say "I am in the Cabinet."
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Jun 14, 2017 20:34
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Another Person posted:FWIW, Secretary of State for NI is commonly regarded as the worst posting in the Cabinet. It is the "please stay out of the way" posting. It is a job where none of your successes get applauded, Northern Irish failures get attached to you whether you were involved in them or not, and you have to divide your time between being in your constituency, the official NI government residence Hillsborough Castle (unrelated to *the* Hillsborough - it is a big, empty, sad palace) and London so it runs you ragged. There's some context that makes it a lot more important for this period of government in particular though.
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It is also worth adding that I think Owen Smith has experience with Northern Ireland already, as an advisor during the Blair years to the then Sec of State or something like that. Not sure exactly who that was back then, Blair went through like 6 Sec of State for NI. He almost certainly knows it is a crap posting, but he has probably more experience in it than anyone else in Labour right now and can make something of it.
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Fans posted:There's some context that makes it a lot more important for this period of government in particular though. It has always been important, any cabinet posting is in theory. It is just both the worst job to actually have to do, and the most unrewarding one to any politician looking to climb. It was equally poorly regarded in the 80s/90s, when it was probably even more important than it was during the past decade and a half, yet it was still regarded as the crap job. It just isn't nice work. Failures in NI stick to you, but successes don't get your name attached to them. See: Mo Mowlam, who was barely even discussed as being instrumental in the NI peace process during the Blair years, and only became a recognised name after a movie about her work there came out.
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Miftan posted:poo poo, I don't either. Please post what you find! Things get more complicated for flats that are conversions of older properties and weren't purpose–built as flats, and I think these are more likely to require extinguishers as they wouldn't have been built with compartmentalisation in mind. This page has a whole list of the regulations that apparently apply to each type of dwelling, though to I'm not sure whether to believe a landlord's association page over the official government one (which makes it sound quite simple). This page has some more general information but it also implies that all flats require extinguishers on every floor without providing a source for the claim, which is (sadly) wrong as far as I can tell. Haha I honestly couldn't place who Owen Smith was for a minute. The man is totally unmemorable. Edit: Thanks SpaceCadetBob for the posts about fires, very interesting! TACD fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 20:45
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It was a hot night last night and most British houses don't have aircon, so their windows would have been open. The other major advantage is that there's no chance of getting water everywhere, but I imagine that one was the furthest thing from everyone's minds.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:46
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baka kaba posted:There's a hidden message somewhere in this tweet Is it 'SOS'? Because no-one's saving your soul, Owen.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:48
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Every Tory, including the Prime Minister, is giving the same answer when questioned about the fire. 'We will look into these questions in due course, for now we must focus on the emergency services and supporting the residents.' What does that even loving mean? The emergency services are doing their job, regardless of whether you are 'focusing' on them or not. As are the volunteers who are helping the people affected. All you're doing is dodging the question and hoping you can continue to do so until people forget about the poor people you got burned to death.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:53
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You can't politicise tradgedies like this one. Which is fortunate for them, because everything wrong with the world is due to Tories and people like them.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:56
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jabby posted:Every Tory, including the Prime Minister, is giving the same answer when questioned about the fire. That is litterally all they can hope for. As it is they get to pinball between "our housing minister ignored a report about fire danger in tower flats" and "we're cuddling up to legit loving terrorists". Ignoring it and hope it'll go away is their only hope. Hoping against hope their allies in the press will get Labour to do something they can focus the camera on. Though at this stage it'd take Corbyn ritually murdering the Queen in some marx inspired ceremony.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:58
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Adam Vegas posted:Is it 'SOS'? Because no-one's saving your soul, Owen.
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Blinks77 posted:That is litterally all they can hope for. As it is they get to pinball between "our housing minister ignored a report about fire danger in tower flats" and "we're cuddling up to legit loving terrorists". you have to hope then that the youth that were so energised to vote this week keep hounding their local councils and MPs to ensure this poo poo doesn't happen again
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Jun 14, 2017 21:06
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dispatch_async posted:https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/875052230524751872 Is there a time limit on how long this can go on for?
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Another Person posted:Failures in NI stick to you, but successes don't get your name attached to them. See: Mo Mowlam, who was barely even discussed as being instrumental in the NI peace process during the Blair years, and only became a recognised name after a movie about her work there came out. That's not true at all, sorry. She was lauded when the GFA was signed, and was very much a recognised name and face at the time, and afterwards. The film about her life didn't come out until 2010. E: Oooh, jam tags. Wouldn't mind one if any mod sees this?
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dispatch_async posted:https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/875052230524751872 lol they're just taking the piss
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Jun 14, 2017 21:07
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Guardian posted:The absence of the council on the street as hundreds of families were homeless was concerning, said Judith Bakeman, a Labour councillor at Kensington and Chelsea. “There’s been so many cuts, there aren’t enough people to deal with this.” gently caress these loving fuckers so much.
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Owlkill posted:Is there a time limit on how long this can go on for? If the Queen dies I suppose she can't give a speech.
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Owlkill posted:Is there a time limit on how long this can go on for? Queens life expectancy could be the limiting factor here E: 
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Owlkill posted:Is there a time limit on how long this can go on for?
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Jun 14, 2017 21:14
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Owlkill posted:Is there a time limit on how long this can go on for? Sweet summer child, do you think deadlines apply to NI parties? Were onto like our fourth deadline to form a government and people are saying that may be extended again Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/EdSimpsonNI/status/875006215490859009
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It probably says something about how unaccustomed the UK is to coalitions/minority government/multi-party negotiations that we're only 6 days deep and people are already thinking this has gone on too long
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RandomPauI posted:Is the council supposed to handle emergency sheltering? I'd figure that'd go to a disaster response agency. That's the council, their response is invariably disastrous.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:31
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This was posted in the C-Spam thread, has it made the rounds in here yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN3e-aYUusc
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Adam Vegas posted:Is it 'SOS'? Because no-one's saving your soul, Owen. That's not what sos means
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RandomPauI posted:Is the council supposed to handle emergency sheltering? I'd figure that'd go to a disaster response agency. Comes under civil defence which has been devolved to local councils since the end of World War 2 because literally nobody in central government gives a poo poo about it. If you're lucky your council might have a couple of Cold War-era army surplus bunks and blankets, and some vague "Use the school hall or something" plans.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:45
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RandomPauI posted:Is the council supposed to handle emergency sheltering? I'd figure that'd go to a disaster response agency. They are, in that they are ringing around every hotel in the local area trying to find beds for those displaced, while close to 2000 properties in the borough remain empty
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Jun 14, 2017 21:49
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TheHoodedClaw posted:That's not true at all, sorry. She was lauded when the GFA was signed, and was very much a recognised name and face at the time, and afterwards. The film about her life didn't come out until 2010. I am not sure I agree with you, but each is down to personal experience. You may have been in circles I am not, where Mo was mentioned much more. I would suggest she is not nearly as known as she could and should be outside of Labour circles. The distinction I am trying to make is that typically achievements in NI are seen as party achievements instead of personal achievements in comparison to the successes in other offices. Of all of the politicians who have held the office, only two have been a major force in their parties. Peter Mandelson, and Douglas Hurd. Mandelson was already a force when he got there, replacing Mowlam. Generally everyone else in that office just sort of languishes. It isn't a prestige or promotion post. It is where you go to continue your decline.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:52
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I live next to the grand lodge in Glasgow and some fucker practices penny whistle without fail at 9 every week night and combined with the weekend marches it is driving me loving insane
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Julio Cruz posted:So he's OK with supporting a party which doesn't represent his views at all, just as long as he doesn't have to lead it? Sounds like the ideal Liberal Democrat leader.
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