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ZeroCount posted:Apparently the vanilla mythic that Maro's been hinting at for a while now is in Unstable. What are the odds that it's a creature with a bunch of abilities, the last of which is 'CARDNAME is vanilla'? Nah, it'll probably be a real vanilla. It'll probably be something that is absurdly efficient like an 8/8 for 4 and a wall of flavortext.
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The biggest problem with Un-sets isn't even stuff like Gotcha (though it loving sucks), it's that a whole bunch of uncards are just really bad cards that use their joke aspect as drawbacks. Stuff like 'Vanilla creature only you have to do X every turn or it dies' isn't fun at all.
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ZeroCount posted:The biggest problem with Un-sets isn't even stuff like Gotcha (though it loving sucks), it's that a whole bunch of uncards are just really bad cards that use their joke aspect as drawbacks. Stuff like 'Vanilla creature only you have to do X every turn or it dies' isn't fun at all. That wouldn't be vanilla though. Vanilla creatures can not have any rules text in the rule box, only flavor text.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:06
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Un sets are horrible, but I do respect one deck my buddy made that forced you to either concede or drive to the store to buy him a drink.
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Walked posted:They're going to do some sort of expedition type cards to keep people cracking packs. Book it Before the set was announced Maro repeatedly said that they wouldn't put black-boarder in silver board just to move packs. Since the announcement I'm assuming this is still true (thought it wouldn't surprise me otherwise)
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Jun 14, 2017 21:07
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AFAIK, both original unsets were designed entirely by Maro, with him just filling things in with one-ofs from other folks in R&D. Any sort of actual design and development process should make this third set much more playable.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:08
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SoftNum posted:Before the set was announced Maro repeatedly said that they wouldn't put black-boarder in silver board just to move packs. Since the announcement I'm assuming this is still true (thought it wouldn't surprise me otherwise) I hope you're correct!
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Jun 14, 2017 21:09
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Gotcha is a terrible mechanic except for Stop That!, which should be legal in every format.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:10
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Rigel posted:That wouldn't be vanilla though. Vanilla creatures can not have any rules text in the rule box, only flavor text. Not really. Cards like Mother of Goons is effectively vanilla except for the times when it's suddenly worse. And that's my point, 'vanilla creatures but sometimes they suck' isn't a fun theme to play just because the way they suck has a joke stapled to it.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:10
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I don't go onto Reddit, did I miss some sort of gamergate poo poo? From Facebook:
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Jun 14, 2017 21:15
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Hellsau posted:I don't go onto Reddit, did I miss some sort of gamergate poo poo? From Facebook: Not to my knowledge, this is just a storm in this one guy's teacup I guess. Also lmao at his list of good authors.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:19
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ZeroCount posted:Apparently the vanilla mythic that Maro's been hinting at for a while now is in Unstable. What are the odds that it's a creature with a bunch of abilities, the last of which is 'CARDNAME is vanilla'? Literally just Grizzly Bears at Mythic I would also accept Grizzly Bear, G, 1/1
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Jun 14, 2017 21:21
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whydirt posted:God bless that tiny excitable man  Also the mythic is 99% going to be something involving vanilla ice cream
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Jun 14, 2017 21:22
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Unstable should just be silver-bordered functional reprints of cards that they wish they could have changed the title to. Llanowar Elf, Bird of Paradise, Grizzly Bear, etc.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:24
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stabbington posted:Gotcha is a terrible mechanic except for Stop That!, which should be legal in every format.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:25
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Hellsau posted:I don't go onto Reddit, did I miss some sort of gamergate poo poo? From Facebook: I think your friends on facebook are just humongous idiots that probably shouldn't even be let near a woman, let alone have the ability to criticize them. The swing at women at WotC was totally out of left field and completely unwarranted with nothing backing it up. Also he said X2 was bad, I will fight him.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:26
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I think I just realized something. Crew came from ixalan originally, right? WotC removed what was probably going to be a mechanic that let you ride dinosaurs, in favor of indian nascar. what a terrible choice, goddamn E: I don't remember where I heard the first thing but it was probably at like 4 am regardless so it might be completely wrong
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Jun 14, 2017 21:28
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GeneX posted:I think I just realized something. No, it was the monarch mechanic that was originally supposed to be in Ixalan.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:29
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GeneX posted:I think I just realized something. I dunno, I was perfectly satisfied with the flavor of being able to have a bird drive a car that drove a train that drove a larger train.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:30
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SoftNum posted:Before the set was announced Maro repeatedly said that they wouldn't put black-boarder in silver board just to move packs. Since the announcement I'm assuming this is still true (thought it wouldn't surprise me otherwise) Ultimately, WotC/Hasbro is in the business of making money. Un-sets don't do that, because once everyone gets over the novelty of drafting a funky format, and after your LGS has their one or two novelty Un-set Format FNMs, no more product moves because nothing is there to drive product sales. Unhinged was fortunate to have black-bordered full-frame full-art basics, which still didn't move packs enough to make it seem worth it. There will absolutely be something included in the set to help drive sales - even if it's just "Full Art Land in every pack."
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Jun 14, 2017 21:50
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Mikujin posted:If this is true then we likely won't see another Un-set after this (except for maybe after another dozen years). When he said no black border in un-sets to drive sales, I don't think the full art lands count. Everybody expects them to deliver on beautiful full art lands. If they are restricted to only full art lands to drive sales, then if I were in charge I'd commission art for at least 20+ full art lands so that people would be encouraged to buy more than just 3 packs for one draft. I'd want a full set if the land looks awesome.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:53
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Mikujin posted:If this is true then we likely won't see another Un-set after this (except for maybe after another dozen years). If they don't put the avon lands or something better to drive interest they are loving stupid beyond belief.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:54
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Mikujin posted:There will absolutely be something included in the set to help drive sales - even if it's just "Full Art Land in every pack." In a world where full-art lands were still only in Un-sets, that would drive sales a little bit. But since they were included in Zendikar, Worldwake, Battle for Zendikar, Oath of the Gatewatch, and Amonkhet, full-art basic lands aren't so unique anymore. Plus they'll be in the same lovely template they use for full art lands now with the curved border instead of the one used for Unhinged.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:55
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Rigel posted:That wouldn't be vanilla though. Vanilla creatures can not have any rules text in the rule box, only flavor text. edit: How about instead of full art lands they do full border lands?
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Jun 14, 2017 21:55
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Maybe Unstable will be the only place to get Pro Tour Player Cards.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:56
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Just give me a Masterpiece Jack in the Mox, Booster Tutor, and Ashnod's Coupon. Bonus for new card Booster Box Tutor.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:56
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The blurb for Rivals of Ixalan talks a lot about vying for control of the golden city. I would guess that at one point it had something similar to the Monarch mechanic before it was taken by Conspiracy.
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I drafted Unhinged once when it came out, with my friend and six other people. We were wondering why we weren't having fun while everyone else was, and then realized that it was because we were the only ones sober. I don't really have the same worries with Unstable. Magic card design has improved massively since 2004.
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HMS Beagle posted:The blurb for Rivals of Ixalan talks a lot about vying for control of the golden city. I would guess that at one point it had something similar to the Monarch mechanic before it was taken by Conspiracy.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:01
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Also they should reprint the Unglued lands. With white borders. 
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Here's a really weird product: http://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/gift-pack A set of the Mark Poole Commander lands in foil, 3 packs that you can't draft easily, a Spindown, and (presumably promo) foil Metalwork Colossus and Kari Zev. What a strange assortment of things for $20.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:08
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$3 per land sounds kinda steep but on the other hand Poole's lands are really sweet.
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Entropic posted:Gotcha was a terrible idea for a mechanic. Counterpoint: Stop That needs to be legal in every format. Yes, including sealed/limited. E: Stupid me posting immediately instead of reading the rest of the unread posts, oops.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:13
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lol if you prefer Mark Poole over Kev Walker or Rebecca Guay
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Star Man posted:lol if you prefer Mark Poole over Kev Walker or Rebecca Guay I didn't have opinions about basic lands until Rebecca Guay.
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Star Man posted:lol if you prefer Mark Poole over Kev Walker or Rebecca Guay I bought ten of each Guay land from Commander 2016 and use them in my standard decks, and they blow people's minds. Admittedly, that's partly because everyone else who isn't using lands from the land station is using BFZ full-arts.
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They should do black-boarder reprints in the Un-sets of stupid/EDH poo poo like Goblin Games, plus some chase cards illustrated with with Foglio-esque visual puns. Like a Snapcaster Mage dressed like a magician doing finger-guns   EDIT: And print any un-cards that have appropriate mechanics with black boarders, too. Even though they'll only be for legacy, who cares? Eikre fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Hellsau posted:Here's a really weird product: I think stuff like this is normally a result of "We screwed up in printing and have some extra sheets of cards to shift"
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Hellsau posted:Here's a really weird product: I'm really confused why the WPN site still asks me every time what language I want, what country I'm in, and in 2017 asks me if I want to use cookies.
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Star Man posted:lol if you prefer Mark Poole over Kev Walker or Rebecca Guay  Which reminds me, I need to go dig through my LGS's land station for some Commander Anthology lands.
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