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Naramyth posted:
A brave new world where assault marines are usable
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Jun 14, 2017 21:25
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spacegoat posted:And if by some LoS miracle only a cupola my dudes are visible behind a wood, can my whole unit take wounds/be killed? Yup. They have completely embraced the idea that models are a static representation of a dynamic entity so your position on the table isn't as critical. It's far from ideal but once again they went simple and fast on something that used to be slow, unclear and tedious. Advanced terrain rules for stuff like barricades will likely be used frequently.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:28
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Nickels fit perfectly inside 25mm bases. I use them whenever I need extra weight.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:33
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:That looks great. Would you mind sharing your recipe? While it's for a different model, the method still works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevL5Rvn0Jc The only difference is that I airbrushed screaming skull on rather than doing it by hand.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:35
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Nickels fit perfectly inside 25mm bases. I use them whenever I need extra weight. Yeah, works for a lot of stuff. I remember when I was building and painting a tyranid starter box for an ex 3 or 4 years ago though it was all slotta bases so really hard to weight. Those hormagaunts were annoying as poo poo to keep standing, I think I cut fishing weights in half for those.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:38
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chutche2 posted:Yeah, works for a lot of stuff. I remember when I was building and painting a tyranid starter box for an ex 3 or 4 years ago though it was all slotta bases so really hard to weight. Those hormagaunts were annoying as poo poo to keep standing, I think I cut fishing weights in half for those. Yeah, fishing weights work well. The really small ones can be easier to work with; instead of cutting them just pour the smaller weights into the base and then pot in place with flowable epoxy.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:40
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Yeah, fishing weights work well. The really small ones can be easier to work with; instead of cutting them just pour the smaller weights into the base and then pot in place with flowable epoxy. That's a really good idea. I've seen a lot of people put magnets in there to put on metal sheets for carrying, I think I might do that eventually.
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Jun 14, 2017 21:44
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Corrode posted:A brave new world where assault marines are usable hey man skyhammer was a thing but yeah. Tough enough with enough bodies to stop shooting from non flying stuff. And are fliers so can go after airplanes..
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Jun 14, 2017 22:02
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chutche2 posted:Do you have pics? I plan on getting my light box out in a couple of days once I finally complete the Catachan squad I've been working on. I'll have to take some new pictures of my 30k dudes and I might take some of my unpainted Night Lords for grins. I am totally going to bring back that old project as soon as legion rules are a thing again.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:06
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Here's a list of random crap I wanna try out that I'm running Saturday. The Hormagaunts are riding with the Trygon Prime. Raveners: Do I run them across the board or burrow them?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:25
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I haven't played a game of 8th yet, but the way visibility now interacts with terrain seems crap. I can understand why they've done some things (Must allocate wounds to the wounded model in a squad first = need to be able to allocate wounds outside LoS), but it seems like it could be better, like say max shooting casualties being capped at the number of visible models. Only getting a cover save if you're Inside a building, and not Behind it (two of ten models visible) is just plain stupid, and it really doesn't seem like '50% of unit is obscured? They get a cover save.", like when they're behind a barricade, would be too complicated. Maybe someone who's played a few games can elaborate on if this stuff actually works well or not? This is the first thing I've seen from the new rules that seems a bit poor.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:39
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Texmo posted:I haven't played a game of 8th yet, but the way visibility now interacts with terrain seems crap. Not having to argue over cover has sped up the games I have played.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:43
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Having cover be practically meaningless means I save a fortune on terrain by playing on a flat surface with a few beer cans scattered around for blocking LoS. It also results in a more meaningful tactical experience because determining if something is on the other side of something else is hard.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:47
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Here I've found a video that will help hams deal with determining cover if they ever have to play a GAME THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKu3NE7Omkw
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Jun 14, 2017 22:50
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Here I've found a video that will help hams deal with determining cover if they ever have to play a GAME THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR. Serious question here- If you hate 40k so much (and it certainly seems like you do), why do you keep coming in here and making GBS threads the thread up? When I don't like something I generally don't obsess over small details about it and then repeatedly post about how much I don't like that thing and how everyone that does like it is dumb. It's totally fine and understandable if you don't want to play the game but you really don't contribute anything to the thread aside from causing myself and likely other this sort of low-grade annoyance whenever you post.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:02
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TKIY posted:Yup. Other than the whole TLoS thing, anyways.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:04
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Ah good we're already up to the "if you have any criticisms you must hate 40k" stage 
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Jun 14, 2017 23:06
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adamantium|wang posted:Ah good we're already up to the "if you have any criticisms you must hate 40k" stage There are totally valid criticisms of what we've seen of 8th so far, possibly including the rules for cover, but at least for me personally drive-by shitposting is not the way I'd like to see it discussed.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:10
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adamantium|wang posted:Ah good we're already up to the "if you have any criticisms you must hate 40k" stage Hey now, he's gotta cope with that low-grade annoyance.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:11
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adamantium|wang posted:Ah good we're already up to the "if you have any criticisms you must hate 40k" stage It's a legit criticism, but it's obfuscated by "well i guess we'll just play on a blank table i guess since terrain is literally useless always (its not)" and chanting "THE GAME WE ASKED FOR" like it's a meme he wants to stick.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:12
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adamantium|wang posted:Ah good we're already up to the "if you have any criticisms you must hate 40k" stage It's weird that nobody's accusing me of hating 40k despite having just criticized it though right? Couldn't possibly be because big meaty shits makes lots of worthless posts that don't actually contribute anything.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:13
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Pendent posted:There are totally valid criticisms of what we've seen of 8th so far, possibly including the rules for cover, but at least for me personally drive-by shitposting is not the way I'd like to see it discussed. Drive by? I've been here all day. If my criticisms of cover are possibly legit criticisms (thank you, by the way, that's very kind of you), what's the problem? Let's talk about it!
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Jun 14, 2017 23:14
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adamantium|wang posted:Ah good we're already up to the "if you have any criticisms you must hate 40k" stage That's not at all what's happening here.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:15
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WhiteWolf123 posted:That's not at all what's happening here. Pendent posted:Serious question here- If you hate 40k so much (and it certainly seems like you do) Give me a minute I think I can find a Grover video to help you with reading.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:16
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Abuse victims are sad as hell 
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Jun 14, 2017 23:16
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Give me a minute I think I can find a Grover video to help you with reading. Thanks. It's the VIDEO I DIDN'T ASK FOR.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:18
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Yeah, fishing weights work well. The really small ones can be easier to work with; instead of cutting them just pour the smaller weights into the base and then pot in place with flowable epoxy. I prefer going to a craftstore that caters to train modelers and buying lead beads(it's to add weight to cars that are too light on the tracks). They are very small and fill in spots nicely. I use nickles on standard bases but slotted bases get filled with elmers glue then I pour on beads to fill up the space. I've been using the same bag of lead for over a decade.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:19
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RagnarokAngel posted:It's a legit criticism, but it's obfuscated by "well i guess we'll just play on a blank table i guess since terrain is literally useless always (its not)" and chanting "THE GAME WE ASKED FOR" like it's a meme he wants to stick. WhiteWolf123 posted:Thanks. It's the VIDEO I DIDN'T ASK FOR. 
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Jun 14, 2017 23:20
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Give me a minute I think I can find a Grover video to help you with reading. Mate you need some fuckin' help with your social etiquette if you can't figure out that people are being hostile toward you not because you're criticizing something they like, but because you're doing it in an abrasive and childish manner which just makes people think you're an annoying jackass. Texmo fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 23:21
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I'm not a fan of the new cover rule either, but the whole "THE GAME WE ASKED FOR" poo poo is so loving boring already. I'll gladly discuss and debate the rules, the pros and cons of the 8th edition changes, etc... but the incessant pointless bitching is insufferable.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:28
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So does anyone wanna talk about the rule or do y'all wanna keep on going about my posting?
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Jun 14, 2017 23:31
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Getting cover when inside a terrain feature but not behind it relative to the enemy seems weird tbh
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Jun 14, 2017 23:38
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Endman posted:Getting cover when inside a terrain feature but not behind it relative to the enemy seems weird tbh At least it speeds up the game right?
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Jun 14, 2017 23:39
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Yeah, and I don't see how one is harder to work out than the other, since you're just drawing a straight line. Edit: ^^^^ Sssh, no snark. You don't want to be accused of hating the game now. ^^^^
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Jun 14, 2017 23:39
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:So does anyone wanna talk about the rule or do y'all wanna keep on going about my posting?
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Jun 14, 2017 23:40
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I agree with you that sight to the squad that's entirely obstructed by cover should provide a cover save. Enough so that discussing it with your local playgroup would be something worth looking into. May be worth interpreting that "All cover that would otherwise provide cover if the squad were inside it counts as blocking LOS for models shooting through it." Seriously. If you're in the cover you're harder to hit, but somehow firing all the way through that same cover doesn't provide any benefit? I think it's a stupid rule.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:41
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LingcodKilla posted:At least it speeds up the game right? True, but it hurts the verisimilitude a bit
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Jun 14, 2017 23:41
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LingcodKilla posted:At least it speeds up the game right? I think I see where they're coming from but cover is really, really useful for infantry models to be in now. I'm guessing we'll be seeing some houserules on this before (hopefully) they update the rules in December when they release the new Chapter Approved.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:41
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Endman posted:True, but it hurts the verisimilitude a bit please don't use that word around here
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Jun 14, 2017 23:42
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WhiteWolf123 posted:I agree with you that sight to the squad that's entirely obstructed by cover should provide a cover save. Enough so that discussing it with your local playgroup would be something worth looking into. Yeah, but then you run into the problem of house-ruling the game and limiting your options outside of your group. Mine were talking about making each phase alternating activations, since it's more or less how the Fight phase goes and tends to make other games more enjoyable. But the house-rule rabbit hole goes deep. Mantic are encouraging house-rules and reporting the more successful ones back for future FAQs/errata. If GW had a similar mechanism I'd be down.
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