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there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Brainiac Five posted:

Lecturing clearly can't be that bad, since you're doing it right now.

Just like queers are the real bigots, I am the real lecturer. Got it.

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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
Yea but what if ... Hot Pants.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

cis autodrag posted:

I would never write down anything related to my gender on a piece of paper in Alabama regardless of context. Plenty of trans people have been murdered by bigoted clinical staff who saw information they didn't need to see. It's an issue we're struggling with mightily in how to properly store gender information in our EMR.

More about this please. I have not heard of clinical staff attacking transgender people. I know of medical professionals who disapprove and disapprove loudly, but none that have resorted to violence.

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

there wolf posted:

Just like queers are the real bigots, I am the real lecturer. Got it.

You keep trying to smear me with this and all I'm thinking is how miserable your friends must be.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Brainiac Five posted:

You keep trying to smear me with this and all I'm thinking is how miserable your friends must be.

You keep trying to make this discussion about literally anything else but your own desire to wag your finger at your own community.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Aleph Null posted:

More about this please. I have not heard of clinical staff attacking transgender people. I know of medical professionals who disapprove and disapprove loudly, but none that have resorted to violence.

there have been a number of cases of trans women and trans men being neglected by medical professionals, who refuse to treat them, even in emergency situations. leslie feinberg wrote about a doctor who refused treatment, instead opting to moralize, which almost killed feinberg. i remember reading about a black trans woman who was in a car accident, and when the emt cut her pants to try and stop her bleeding he said "that's not a woman, that's a friend of the family" and left her to die as onlookers begged him to help her. i think the trans day of remembrance website has a compilation of some of these deaths, but it is the case that trans people hae been neglected by medical professionals and have died as a result

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

there wolf posted:

You keep trying to make this discussion about literally anything else but your own desire to wag your finger at your own community.

Oh no, wagging our fingers at our own community. Guess we can't call RuPaul transphobic anymore!!!

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Brainiac Five posted:

Oh no, wagging our fingers at our own community. Guess we can't call RuPaul transphobic anymore!!!

What are you even arguing about at this point. Who are you arguing against. What's your bickering adding at this point

these are just general questions anyone engaging in a discussion should ask themselves, if the need should arise

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Senju Kannon posted:

What are you even arguing about at this point. Who are you arguing against. What's your bickering adding at this point

these are just general questions anyone engaging in a discussion should ask themselves, if the need should arise

gently caress off, you two-faced shitbag.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Brainiac Five posted:

gently caress off, you two-faced shitbag.

how am i two-faced

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Senju Kannon posted:

how am i two-faced

Posting about how you hate a thread and then posting in that thread as if you didn't would seem to be the very essence of being two-faced about something. But maybe I'm being unfair, because some jackass decided to Kramer in and condescend to me.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Brainiac Five posted:

Posting about how you hate a thread and then posting in that thread as if you didn't would seem to be the very essence of being two-faced about something. But maybe I'm being unfair, because some jackass decided to Kramer in and condescend to me.

i don't remember saying that, and i double checked my posts in this thread to see if i have, but i'll be honest i have a really bad habit of believing one thing one day and a completely different thing the next, without any memory of having held a different belief. it's quite obnoxious for the people around me, and i wonder if it might be a sign of some yet undiagnosed mental illness of mine lmao

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Senju Kannon posted:

i don't remember saying that, and i double checked my posts in this thread to see if i have, but i'll be honest i have a really bad habit of believing one thing one day and a completely different thing the next, without any memory of having held a different belief. it's quite obnoxious for the people around me, and i wonder if it might be a sign of some yet undiagnosed mental illness of mine lmao

Okay, that's fine, and I'm sorry for snapping at you over it. That was wrong to do.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Senju Kannon posted:

there have been a number of cases of trans women and trans men being neglected by medical professionals, who refuse to treat them, even in emergency situations. leslie feinberg wrote about a doctor who refused treatment, instead opting to moralize, which almost killed feinberg. i remember reading about a black trans woman who was in a car accident, and when the emt cut her pants to try and stop her bleeding he said "that's not a woman, that's a friend of the family" and left her to die as onlookers begged him to help her. i think the trans day of remembrance website has a compilation of some of these deaths, but it is the case that trans people hae been neglected by medical professionals and have died as a result

That makes more sense.

Transgender Day of Remembrance site https://tdor.info/

Holy poo poo that site is more depressing that I expected.

quote:

Luana Biersack (14 years old)
Cause of death: sexually assaulted, beaten, and drowned..
Location of death: Novo Itacolomi, Paraná, Brazil
Date of death: April 13th, 2016

quote:

unidentified woman
Cause of death: unknown, dismembered
Location of death: Brazil
Date of death: March 10th, 2016

quote:

Erika W.P. de Arruda (30 years old)
Cause of death: gunshot wounds to neck and groin
Location of death: Cuiabá, Mato Grosso, Brazil
Date of death: August 25th, 2016

quote:

Natascha (37 years old)
Cause of death: set on fire.
Location of death: Tarumã, São Paulo, Brazil
Date of death: February 24th, 2016

quote:

Raina Aliev (25 years old)
Cause of death: dismembered
Location of death: Dagestan
Date of death: October 2016

quote:

Amphon Kongsong (28 years old)
Cause of death: strangled, body stuffed in bed frame.
Location of death: Pattaya, Thailand
Date of death: August 20th, 2016

Krysmphoenix
Jul 29, 2010
I recall one a couple years back of a young trans girl, like age 11 or close, beaten to death by her own father. These are always super depressing to read. Brazil in particular is extraordinarily hostile to Trans women.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Huge!

https://twitter.com/TheAdvocateMag/status/874817460658094080

Who she is facing off against

Bob Marshall

quote:

In December 2016, Marshall introduced a resolution calling porn a “public health hazard like smoking.” In December 2015, Marshall introduced a bill to override federal LGBT protections. In November 2014, Marshall badly lost his bid for the US House despite a glowing endorsement from Phyllis Schlafly. In June 2014, Marshall claimed that all charities will lose their tax exempt status following the legalization of same-sex marriage. In February 2014, Marshall filed an amendmentthat would grant Virginia state legislators the right to claiming standing in marriage lawsuits. In September 2013, Marshall petitionedthe US Supreme Court to overturn Virginia’s legalization of sodomy. In May 2012, Marshall attempted to block the appointment of an openly gay state judge because the nominee has “an illegal husband.” In 2011, Marshall claimed it is a felony for a state office to fly the rainbow flag. Marshall has also called on Virginia to issue its own currency, and has claimed that God punishes women who have abortions by giving themdeformed children. After the DADT repeal bill passed, Marshall tried tohave gays banned from the Virginia National Guard.

Perfect woman to take him on.

Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jun 14, 2017

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
Yeah that campaign is going to take a ridiculously thick skin, ugh.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

This interview with her is kickass

http://battlegroundva.com/2017/06/05/220/

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?


that article posted:

“So when we’re looking at that, saving lives, of course, has to be our top issue, but you know, we’re talking about jobs here, we’re talking about education here. We’re talking about transportation here, but at the very least the conversation that you and I are having right now is entirely about quality of life issues whereas Delegate Marshall this year puts in four anti-LGBT bills, five abortion bills. A bill about pornography. A bill that’s saying that ISIS is bad, and by the way, he couldn’t even get ISIS is bad passed in a Republican Subcommittee?! Are you kidding? I mean that’s lay-ups right there. My five-year old could have passed that bill, and by five year old, I mean my cat. I mean, come on, you gotta do better than that.

Fuckin :laffo:, a woman after my own heart

mitra
Sep 27, 2012

between subtle shading, and the absence of light, lies the nuance of iqlusion

Agnosticnixie posted:

What does this have to do with the shame of being put in a jail cell for reasons outside your control. Is policing innate?

ACAB - Assigned Cop at Birth

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Quorum posted:

Fuckin :laffo:, a woman after my own heart

Holy poo poo. I want her for my state, screw Virginia.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


we've had at least two candidates nationwide drop from their races due to death threats, i hope that doesn't happen here too

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?
e: wrong thread

Bethamphetamine
Oct 29, 2012

Ignore this post if you're having a lousy day.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...use_gay_couples

Welcome to the most heinous thing this week, in a state with one of the worst foster care systems. So bad it was recognized in a federal class action lawsuit that kids leave the system worse than when they entered.

This comes on the heels of this:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/chi...ate-texas-house

Further privatization and enfranchisement of the groups that want to discriminate against women and put GLBTQ kids out to die on the street.


Pregnant teen who wants an abortion? too bad.
Pregnant teen having severe complications and in need of lifesaving care? die slut.
Unpregnant teen who wants birth control? ha.
Want to get vaccinated? well, my religion says to pray for you when you get polio.
Want a public school instead of insane religion-based education? Go live on the street
Don't want conversion therapy? idgaf
Are you jewish? No baby for you, you kill and eat christian babies right?
Raped on the street? well, we'll get you medical care eventually. Rape kits are a liberal conspiracy against men.
Single woman? Go find and marry a man, harlot.

They're taking a 'you can't say we're discriminating against group X, because this bill targets anybody at the discretion of the foster care provider' approach.

It's outsourced grassroots evil. Mostly targeted toward children.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
In honor of the anniversary of the Pulse shooting, I present the dumbest take. The Pulse shooting wasn't about gays, and Orlando making it about gays is driving down Disney's attendance! Have I mentioned the Ark Encounter?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

The Orlando Sentinel is, shall we say, not known for the quality or objectivity of their reporting.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Federal Appeals court ruled against the plaintiffs over Mississippi's new Religious Freedom law:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen..._go_into_effect

Schizotek
Nov 8, 2011

I say, hey, listen to me!
Stay sane inside insanity!!!
Just gonna get the inevitable out of the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ25-U3jNWM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fgB0m_y2I

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.
/\ /\ /\ /\
With the law not given an early death by three Texans - one Reagan appointee, two by GWB.

CommieGIR posted:

Federal Appeals court ruled against the plaintiffs over Mississippi's new Religious Freedom law:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen..._go_into_effect

Here's the opinion.
They're not saying Mississippi's law is legal, they're saying that "That's messed up and no-poo poo unconstitutional" isn't enough harm to grant standing to sue.
In essence, they're saying that if there's no harm, they're not going to call a foul.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

joat mon posted:

Here's the opinion.
They're not saying Mississippi's law is legal, they're saying that "That's messed up and no-poo poo unconstitutional" isn't enough harm to grant standing to sue.
In essence, they're saying that if there's no harm, they're not going to call a foul.

"Sure it could cause harm. It hasn't yet, and its totally not constitutional"

C'mon, that seems like a cop out.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

CommieGIR posted:

"Sure it could cause harm. It hasn't yet, and its totally not constitutional"

C'mon, that seems like a cop out.

... Yes?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

CommieGIR posted:

"Sure it could cause harm. It hasn't yet, and its totally not constitutional"

C'mon, that seems like a cop out.

In a vacuum, I could understand it - I think the reasoning is "just because it might lead to someone getting hurt doesn't mean that it will," which in isolation I think is a fair enough line of thought.

But it's loving Mississippi.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Mississippi may itself be unconstitutional, it is so awful a place that one could argue there mere fact of existing within it deprives a person of the pursuit of happiness.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Quorum posted:

Fuckin :laffo:, a woman after my own heart

To be fair, there are very few animals that are more Republican than cats.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

quote:

A Catholic bishop has instructed priests in his central Illinois diocese to deny communion, last rites and funeral rites to people in same-sex marriages – unless they repent.

In the decree he sent to priests, deacons, seminarians and staff in his Springfield diocese last week, Bishop Thomas Paprocki sets forth a set of norms on same-sex marriage and related pastoral issues that he says are the policy of the diocese.

Paprocki's decree bans priests and parish staff from performing same-sex marriages or allowing same-sex weddings or receptions at any Catholic facilities. People in same-sex marriages "should not present themselves for Holy Communion, nor should they be admitted to Holy Communion." A person in a same-sex marriage who is facing death may only receive communion after expressing "repentance for his or her sins."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ontent=20170623

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
that's some serious escalation on that bishop's part. it'll be interesting to see what rome does, if anything. while francis has been trying to move the church away from these "culture war" issues, the fact remains that the majority of the holy see cares far more about men having sex with men in a loving monogamous relationship than they do about poor people. i doubt we'll see many more dioceses doing this, but i also doubt we'll hear any bishops outside of san francisco condemning it (and even then i'm pretty sure the current bishop of san francisco is incredibly conservative, what with most holy redeemer existing there and the bishops wanting to get rid of its pro lgbt policies). still, bad for lgbt catholics in the long run. and the bit about no catholic funerals makes me think about the jesuits in rome giving a homeless transgender woman who died a funeral, complete with her chosen name and correct gender. what a difference sj makes

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I wish I could say our archbishop would never allow such things, but he's currently on the run from the law and hiding in Vatican City over all the children he raped.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Some good news for a change: In the run-up to Germany's 2017 federal elections, three of the six significant parties (SPD, FDP, and Greens) have pledged to make full marriage equality a mandatory part of any coalition agreement they'll enter. The only meaningful opposition stems from the CDU, who seemingly opposes as much out of inertia as actual conviction (polls suggest about a 50/50 split on the issue even among their own members). Fortunately, any realistic ruling coalition will contain at least one of these three parties (most likely either CDU+SPD or CDU+FDP(+Greens)), which doesn't leave the CDU anywhere else to turn. So from the looks of it we'll finally manage to get this done within the next legislative period.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Welp, this won't end well.

chicagoist posted:


Gay Pride Marchers Carrying Star of David Flags Kicked Out of Chicago Parade

Three people carrying Jewish Pride flags were asked to leave the Chicago Dyke March on Saturday in part because they “repeatedly expressed support for Zionism,” according to the organizers. One member of the Dyke March collective said those carrying the rainbow flag with a Star of David in the middle were told to leave because the flags “made people feel unsafe,” adding that the march was “anti-Zionist” and “pro-Palestinian,” according to the Windy City Times. American flags also were reportedly not welcome at the event, although it isn’t clear whether anyone was kicked out for having one. Flags from other nations appears to have been allowed.

The annual Dyke March is billed as a more inclusive event that has a stronger focus on social justice issues than the massive Chicago Pride Parade on Sunday. Some 1,500 people took part in the Dyke March this year.

One of those who was kicked out of the march said she was approached numerous times over her flag. "They were telling me to leave because my flag was a trigger to people that they found offensive," Laurel Grauer said. "Prior to this [march] I had never been harassed or asked to leave and I had always carried the flag with me." Another person who was asked to leave told the Windy City Times that she was made to feel that “as a Jew, I am not welcome here.”

The organizers defended their decision to ask certain demonstrators to leave. A member of the Dyke March Collective spoke to Chicagoist on Sunday and insisted the organization is not anti-Semitic but rather didn’t want to be associated with anything that could be interpreted as pro-Israel. “Yesterday during the rally we saw three individuals carrying Israeli flags super imposed on rainbow flags. Some folks say they are Jewish Pride flags. But as a Collective we are very much pro-Palestine, and when we see these flags we know a lot of folks who are under attack by Israel see the visuals of the flag as a threat, so we don't want anything in the [Dyke March] space that can inadvertently or advertently express Zionism,” she said. “So we asked the folks to please leave. We told them people in the space were feeling threatened.”
The American Jewish Committee condemned the action and called for others to speak up against the move. “In the heart of our city one of the most blatant incidents of anti-Semitism took place today at the Dyke March,” said AJC Chicago Director Amy Stoken. “Where is the collective outrage over this despicable targeting of Jews?”

Last year, Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern explored the growing anti-Semitism that “has begun to tear at the seams of the LGBTQ movement.”

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Squashing Machine
Jul 5, 2005

I mean boning, the wild mambo, the hunka chunka

BigRed0427 posted:

Welp, this won't end well.

As someone who lives in Chicago, is pro-Palestinian, and is dating someone who attended and identifies greatly with the Dyke March until today, I guess I'm wondering what the responsibility is of spaces like the Dyke March or Pride in general to sanction specific political stances that, frankly, don't seem to have a ton to do with the topic at hand? Does an event intended to celebrate LGBT women have a responsibility to go down the list of every prevailing political debate and declare an allegiance, as though you were picking out sponsors? Is there space at Pride events for LGBT people who are pro-Israel or. god forbid, conservative, or do they need to plan out their own weekend? Not even to mention that what took place here came largely from a place of ignorance about what constitutes Israeli vs. Jewish iconography, but the activists who kicked those people out likely felt empowered to do so by having the official backing of the event's organizers.

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