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awesmoe posted:me too which is why I hope they all get bankrupted by their hospital bills worst part of all this is as congressmen they have fantastic health insurance at public expense and none of them will be bankrupted by the er and surgery bills like they would prefer happens to all poor americans
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That is from months ago. If only we had the text of the Senate bill.
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Paradoxish posted:If only we had the text of the Senate bill. One of their staffers has assured us it will be leaked to the press at some point, which is what he's waiting for in order to see it as well, as the founders intended
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Covok posted:What's with the Your predictions are exactly what I feared most
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Paradoxish posted:If only we had the text of the Senate bill. Agreed. I'm the OP of the Healthcare Reform me gathered and there has been nothing new policy-wise for months.
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skylined! posted:the left has guns too quoting from yesterday because lol
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CyberPingu posted:At least they are being honest There's a first time for anything.
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Hoping one of the other networks will pick it up instead.
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UberJew posted:worst part of all this is as congressmen they have fantastic health insurance at public expense and none of them will be bankrupted by the er and surgery bills like they would prefer happens to all poor americans I think the worst part is the possibility of further breakdown of peaceful democracy, and the risk that political shootings become commonplace, but rich getting treated better than poor is (as always) salt in the wound
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there was always going to be a reckoning. you can't do this forever and expect nobody to explode.
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Groovelord Neato posted:there was always going to be a reckoning. you can't do this forever and expect nobody to explode. actually, no, I think its reasonable to expect people to not shoot each other
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i guess you can say that if you're totally ignorant of history. or even current events where people have been oppressed for decades.
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awesmoe posted:I think the worst part is the possibility of further breakdown of peaceful democracy, and the risk that political shootings become commonplace, but rich getting treated better than poor is (as always) salt in the wound this sort of thing isn't at all unusual there was no similar handwringing about the disintegration of peaceful democracy when dylann roof successfully assassinated a state senator shooting up a church but because its a bunch of white republicans on a baseball diamond that's beyond the pale unlike shooting up a historically black church i guess?
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How about a compromise? Bullets for some, miniature American flags for others.
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or when a motherfucker shot up a crowd at a grocery store in an attempted assassination on giffords but again, she wasn't a republican so it wasn't a Serious Threat To Our Democracy who cares
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Groovelord Neato posted:i guess you can say that if you're totally ignorant of history. or even current events where people have been oppressed for decades. Yeah I guess. People kill each other all the time while they aren't being oppressed, so it's not like they'll stop just because they are.
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maybe its that nobody died this time that makes it so much more Dangerous To Our Way Of Life than those other recent assassinations that involved people actually dying
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UberJew posted:this sort of thing isn't at all unusual yeah there was UberJew posted:or when a motherfucker shot up a crowd at a grocery store in an attempted assassination on giffords
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https://twitter.com/kellyweill/status/875096723781300226quote:Hodgkinson was the foster the father of at least two girls. The first, Wanda Ashley Stock, 17, committed suicide in 1996 by pouring gasoline on herself and setting herself on fire after a few months of living with the Hodgkinsons, the Belleville News-Democrat reports. The Hodgkinsons gave an interview to the paper after her suicide, calling her a “very practical, level-headed girl.”
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awesmoe posted:Yeah I guess. People kill each other all the time while they aren't being oppressed, so it's not like they'll stop just because they are. i don't think you got the point. they can't expect to constantly gently caress people over and not have a reckoning for their actions. i'm not defending what the guy did but it's surprising it has been relatively peaceful for them for so long.
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What are they switching to? "The Darkness In Which Democracy Dies"?
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The concern is that this event could lead to escalation or retaliation
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awesmoe posted:actually, no, I think its reasonable to expect people to not shoot each other I don't really think it is, frankly. They're threatening to kill hundreds of thousands of people with legislation to give tax cuts to the rich. That's actually a pretty good reason except for the fact that it won't actually stop them, since they're literally just empty suits who do what their rich owners tell them to and even if they were killed their replacement would be the same. I just can't bring myself to have any sympathy for these people or have any reaction other than 'well what did you think was gonna happen, you monstrous piece of poo poo?'
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This guy's entire life was a disaster.
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theflyingorc posted:The concern is that this event could lead to escalation or retaliation And it most certainly will. Fortunately the shooter at least appears to have been white. Don't want to imagine the backlash if it were a minority.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:And it most certainly will. Fortunately the shooter at least appears to have been white. Don't want to imagine the backlash if it were a minority. Harlem would've been razed.
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theflyingorc posted:Self immolation? It's probably not a great way to go!
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Holy gently caress, how do you give him another foster child when the first one self-immolated?!? 
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awesmoe posted:I just checked wikipedia and it looks like his thing was mostly paranoid schizophrenia more than any firm political conviction. (and there was similar response) Actually no, because I have been alive for more than six months and I actually remember those events they involved the president actively calling for calm, treating it like a normal crime and that our institutions were far more powerful than any individual with a gun could damage. Apart from the specific case of the Palin ad putting a literal bullseye on giffords' district on a map the widespread media response by the entire democratic party was not to blame the event on republican rhetoric nor did a sitting congressman call either of them a 'political rhetorical assassination'
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theflyingorc posted:Self immolation? quote:Hodgkinson was the foster the father of at least two girls. The first, Wanda Ashley Stock, 17, committed suicide in 1996 by pouring gasoline on herself and setting herself on fire after a few months of living with the Hodgkinsons, the Belleville News-Democrat reports. The Hodgkinsons gave an interview to the paper after her suicide, calling her a “very practical, level-headed girl.” and he was allowed to have a gun because...?
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Groovelord Neato posted:i don't think you got the point. they can't expect to constantly gently caress people over and not have a reckoning for their actions. i'm not defending what the guy did but it's surprising it has been relatively peaceful for them for so long. I get your point, I just disagree. angry people* are always going to feel hosed over by something and they'll feel justified in however they choose to respond. organized political violence is one thing, but this aint that. *basing this on his criminal history, if the initial reports that I read were right
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UberJew posted:or when a motherfucker shot up a crowd at a grocery store in an attempted assassination on giffords What? There was plenty of that "'Vitriol' Cited As Possible Factor In Arizona Tragedy ... some are questioning whether divisive political rhetoric may have played a role." "Has the nation's harsh political rhetoric become more than just talk — to the point of being dangerous? The attempted assassination of Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords as she spoke with voters outside a grocery store in Tucson fueled a debate Sunday over whether the sharp partisanship and anti-government language that now mark American politics have created a climate that makes violence against public officials more likely." "Sarah Palin Criticized Over Gabrielle Giffords Presence on "Target List"" "Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' blood is on Sarah Palin's hands after putting cross hair over district ... But anyone with any sense at all knows that violent language can incite actual violence, that metaphor can incite murder. At the very least, Palin added to a climate of violence."
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theflyingorc posted:The concern is that this event could lead to escalation or retaliation goodness i wonder why that's a concern here and wasn't with pinckney or giffords
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HappyHippo posted:What? There was plenty of that If you think any of that is actually analogous to the republican response to this shooting you are either wisely ignoring the news or a complete moron
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awesmoe posted:actually, no, I think its reasonable to expect people to not shoot each other It's probably not. There's no indication that this guy had any particular grievance or that he was being affected in a specific way by Republican policy so don't take this as a defense of what happened today, but people aren't going to just lay down and accept legislation that threatens them. We're talking about a political party that wants to pretend that black people aren't being gunned down in the streets, and that wants to put the shooters up on pedestals on top of that. We're talking about a political party that wants to pass "reform" that will literally result in tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths over the next 4+ years. I'm not saying that violence is good, but it's probably inevitable. There are consequences to using democracy as an excuse to repeatedly gently caress already marginalized groups.
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Kaboobi posted:and he was allowed to have a gun because...? because americans are morons who think having guns is more important than having healthcare
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Groovelord Neato posted:there was always going to be a reckoning. you can't do this forever and expect nobody to explode.
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