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Rigel posted:Holy crap, the vote was 97-2. (One senator missed the vote because of kidney stones, he also would have been a no) But the House is even stupider than the Senate?
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Rigel posted:Holy crap, the vote was 97-2. (One senator missed the vote because of kidney stones, he also would have been a no) The GOP gets to gently caress over the Iran deal and move us firmly back into "perpetual middle eastern war", so it was a pretty good deal for them IMO.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:06
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The no votes were Mike Lee and Rand Paul
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So who was the one senator that didn't? e;fb
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Groovelord Neato posted:the gun control debate ended when 20 children were murdered in a classroom in newtown. Eh, that was just the moment that we stopped being able to pretend that there was still a discussion happening. The debate has probably been dead for at least a few decades thanks to right-wing media. There's just no way to fight a completely decentralized propaganda system that still manages to insist in unison that the smallest compromise is the first step to mass gun confiscations.
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I found this : On June 13, 2016, Hillary Clinton Called for ‘Dedicated Team’ to Track Lone Wolf Terrorists
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HappyHippo posted:The context was that a poster in the thread, who presumably is not a republican congressman, was saying this is bad for democracy? IDK if thats me but my 'this shooting is bad for democracy' is based on a) political violence tends to escalate and b) commonplace political violence is bad for many reasons, mostly that it leaves lots of people dead, also it discourages people from participating in the democratic process and also that it seems to lead to lovely legislative responses. that's basically all and I dont have specific studies or analyses to back any of those points up, it's just my impression. trump being president is bad for america but not bad for american democracy because american democracy contains the tools to deal with him (wait 3 years then vote him out).
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Paradoxish posted:Eh, that was just the moment that we stopped being able to pretend that there was still a discussion happening. The debate has probably been dead for at least a few decades thanks to right-wing media. There's just no way to fight a completely decentralized propaganda system that still manages to insist in unison that the smallest compromise is the first step to mass gun confiscations. This was heavily financed by the gun industry, as was the lobbying it took.
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Paradoxish posted:Eh, that was just the moment that we stopped being able to pretend that there was still a discussion happening. The debate has probably been dead for at least a few decades thanks to right-wing media. There's just no way to fight a completely decentralized propaganda system that still manages to insist in unison that the smallest compromise is the first step to mass gun confiscations. I was horrified by that shooting and the reactions to it that I haven't been able to care about the ones that have happened since.
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I miss the halcyon days of last week when a candidate dropped out due to death threats and nobody gave a crap.
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Jaxyon posted:This was heavily financed by the gun industry, as was the lobbying it took. "[The Second Amendment] has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud— I repeat the word fraud, on the American people by any special interest group that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” - Chief Justice Warren Burger in 1991 Low Desert Punk posted:I used to be very pro-gun until I actually looked at other countries, and saw that they have almost no problems with mass shootings will still having access to guns for recreation and sport for those that want it. America's gun laws just don't make sense when you look at other cases. i was also the same way. also thanks to the fact the gun lobby made everyone misinterpret the second amendment.
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I used to be very pro-gun until I actually looked at other countries, and saw that they have almost no problems with mass shootings will still having access to guns for recreation and sport for those that want it. America's gun laws just don't make sense when you look at other cases. But those countries also don't have the ridiculous gun fetishization and culture that America does, so it's a little different
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Jun 14, 2017 23:15
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They should have just hit the bullets back at the shooter with the bats like monster party.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:16
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Three! partisan responses(?): If baseball player had gun this wouldn't have happened: 
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Rigel posted:(One senator missed the vote because of kidney stones, he also would have been a no) Oof, my condolences.
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i mean, baseball players are a temperamental bunch. All it would take is for Jose Bautista to do a bat-flip and that entire park is going to be dead
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Jun 14, 2017 23:22
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In bizarro world news: California has passed a budget ahead of schedule with a surplus and no major spending cuts or tax increases. at the same time... The Governor of Washington state just announced that the state government is going to shut down in 2 weeks. Good luck Seattle/Olympia goons. Make sure to take out the trash early and not be poor.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:23
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What's that distant pattering? A tiny bit of mattering? https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bb98_story.html
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Jun 14, 2017 23:24
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/875116130490355718 LEAKS 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.4e78504e3aef Here we go.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:24
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Here's a thing:quote:The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...58e691d00000050 Edit: Turns out I'm not the only one with WaPo alerts on.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:25
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Data Graham posted:What are they switching to? "The Darkness In Which Democracy Dies"? Merica's Number
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Jun 14, 2017 23:25
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Well, yeah? Isn't that the whole point?
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business hammocks posted:What's that distant pattering? A tiny bit of mattering? Trump will just hit this back at them with a bat, like monster party
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ayyyyylmao
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So Donnie is definitely going to try and fire him now, right?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, yeah? Isn't that the whole point? it is, yeah. that headline is basically saying nothing.
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business hammocks posted:What's that distant pattering? A tiny bit of mattering? SoSimpleABeginning posted:Here's a thing: Guys I think Trump is getting investigated for obstruction of justice Edit: But seriously, this was already assumed to be the case. Surprised it's headline news right now.
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Let's hope this isn't a leak to get out ahead of Mueller's imminent firing.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:27
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https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/875115677077704708 Sure, they might be terrorist sympathizers that we are condemning, but I don't see why I cant sell them planes
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And just like that, the cloud of near terminal depression surrounding the Trump thread is dispelled, though in our hearts we all know it is not gone, merely lurking in the shadows behind our eyes, waiting for the mattering to stop again.
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Is there any interpretation of the 97-2 vote that isn't straight up them tacitly admitting that they think Trump is compromised as gently caress?
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Zophar posted:Let's hope this isn't a leak to get out ahead of Mueller's imminent firing. Lets hope it is. Concrete stuff like that is the only thing that republicans can't just handwave off.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, yeah? Isn't that the whole point? Ostensibly the original point was to investigate the Russian interference in the election. It's not surprising that the scope has expanded to include Trump's obstruction, but it's nice to see it confirmed.
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Pollyanna posted:Guys I think Trump is getting investigated for obstruction of justice its only news when its confirmed, and "the president is under investigation for a classic impeachable offense" counts as news once confirmed
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Same Great Paste posted:Is there any interpretation of the 97-2 vote that isn't straight up them tacitly admitting that they think Trump is compromised as gently caress? you could argue that trump is not compromised at all but our allies are being silly and concerned he is and so this is just reassuring allies who really had nothing to worry about you'd need a lobotomy first if you want to actually believe that, of course
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Trump last week: I've been vindicated, I'm not under investigation.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/875115677077704708 Escalate tensions to the point that they need to defend themselves, and then sell them the means to do so. Art of the deal. 
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i am fully torqued.
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