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Mikl posted:
First off, the fact they previously had an alliance should have been your first clue. Second, we have bought peace already. If you paid more attention to current events when you were drafting legislation, we wouldn't be in this mess. 
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 What, do I look like a clerk? Paying attention to current events is beneath a merchant! *An aide urgently whisper into Mikl's ear* Or past events either! The only way to go is the future! Peace For Our Time Act, Revised - make diplomatic overtures and try to ally with France and/or Morocco, if at all possible. Just imagine! Together we will be unstoppable!
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Hashim posted:Four of the five colonies needed to establish a Louisiana colonial nation are already self-sustaining, so if paragon's proposal passes, I'll just finish up the fifth and then change the focus. Okay then. I rescind my proposal and support: paragon1 posted:
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Rodyle posted:
Not to be a stickler, but this looks like 6 to 7 different proposals, with an extra just tacked on from another person.
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Policies so far: Luhood posted:I propose the simply named Bavarian Alliance Act. We need to ally with Bavaria as a means to protect ourselves from the French and our so called "Muslim Brothers" in Morocco. Only then, when we are safe from the overbearing sword of our rivalling neighbours, can we start even thinking about rebuilding. Luhood. Rodyle posted:The Mountains and the Sea Act Rodyle, Lord Cyrahzax, Dick Trauma.  Erwin the German posted:I propose the Recognition Act: Let us end our rivalry with the Vakhtani Caliphate, acknowledge them as the Caliphate of Islam, and join forces so that in future wars against our true adversaries, the perfidious Christians of Europe, we are not so easily overwhelmed. Erwin the German, AJ_Impy, Ralepozozaxe, devildragon777. GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Muslim Brotherhood Act: Prioritize cultivating a strong alliance with another Muslim power. GunnerJ, Yvonmukluk, Talas. paragon1 posted:I propose the We Need Tequila Now Act Establish 5 colonies on the mainland of Mexico. paragon1, GunnerJ, Captain Oblivious, Crazycryodude, Frionnel. Mikl posted:Peace For Our Time Act, Revised - make diplomatic overtures and try to ally with France and/or Morocco, if at all possible. Just imagine! Together we will be unstoppable! Mikl.  TildeATH posted:Proposing Noble Sultana, Save Us from Ourselves which entails kissing up and making nice and developing as many allies as we can in this time of weakness and cupidity on the part of her disloyal snakelike Majlis. TildeATH, Archaeology Hat, RZApublican. hashashash fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Not to be a stickler, but this looks like 6 to 7 different proposals, with an extra just tacked on from another person. The problem with bigger policies, like Rodyle's, is that there's a much smaller chance of me actually being able to carry them through. I'll try to carry out the Mountains and Sea Act if it passes, but there's no way I'll be able to get through all it's demands, so the Taifas will have to support it at their own risk.
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Erwin the German posted:
I also support this. We need to stop fighting among our fellow Muslim brethren.
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Erwin the German posted:
Allah has spoken through the words of this Imam. All of the Ulema have seen that. I too support His will!
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Jun 14, 2017 23:02
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paragon1 posted:
I support this venture.
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Jun 15, 2017 01:06
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Hashim posted:Just to make sure, is this only for the Taifas or are you proposing it as a coalition? If it is a coalition, you'll need to announce who's partnering you. If you want a greater likelihood of it passing, then it'd be better for it to be restricted to the Taifas. Only Taifas E: I am attempting to craft standing policy for the Taifas. You don't necessarily need to hit every demand, just be aware of what we generally expect. I think this is better than us just asking for, say, the building of barracks for decades at a time. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 02:14
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paragon1 posted:
I support this.
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Jun 15, 2017 02:39
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I propose the Keep Converting Act where we commit to converting as many provinces as we can to Sunni Islam. I don't know when is the next time the Ulama might be strong enough to convert provinces on our own, so I want us to take advantage of our moment of relative strength.
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Snipee posted:
We are still converting Galicia with our missionary, which will take 92 years.
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Rodyle posted:
I'll Support this. Let's take the time to rebuild and re-arm. And let the Merchants Pay for it all with their Slave Trade while we're at it.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:00
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paragon1 posted:
Agreed!
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Jun 15, 2017 04:23
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I propose the Strengthen The New World Trade Act. The Sultan is directed to get each of our colonial nations up to ten provinces by any means necessary for the extra merchants.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:35
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Erwin the German posted:
This is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it! How is a muslim power all the way on the other side of the med going to help us with France right on our door step? Al Andalus is a great power so we should start acting like it. More Friends fewer Enemies act Shore up relations with the muslim nations in the western med. Yes that includes Morocco. Seek alliances where possible, at the very least reduce their hate of us enough so they stop allying with France. They hate us because we keep trying to kick in their teeth in every other generation. So quit doing that and concentrate on our real enemy France!
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Jun 15, 2017 07:00
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WilliamAnderson posted:
Supported Bigger is better.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:We are still converting Galicia with our missionary, which will take 92 years. No, we're not. I hired an advisor that gave us +2% missionary strength, so three provinces have already been converted, just couldn't fit it into the update.
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everydayfalls posted:This is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it! Seriously Ulema. Listen to this man. Make amends with Morocco by all means but acknowledging the so called Caliph costs us much for no discernible benefit.
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Hashim posted:No, we're not. I hired an advisor that gave us +2% missionary strength, so three provinces have already been converted, just couldn't fit it into the update. This is fantastic news. Ulama, we must focus on the source of the rebellions. Acknowledging some self-proclaimed caliphate thousands of miles away will do nothing to stop Christians within our borders from murdering us. Furthermore, mending ties with the Moroccan government is more of a secular matter than a religious duty. Vote for my proposal!
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everydayfalls posted:
What muslim nations are even left in the Western Mediterranean that this act will affect? Morocco and Palermo? I mean, personally i want to fight Morocco, but by all means proceed, just consider that this proposal will be your only thing for 20 years and as it is it's very limited. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Rodyle posted:
Supporting!
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Hashim posted:No, we're not. I hired an advisor that gave us +2% missionary strength, so three provinces have already been converted, just couldn't fit it into the update. Thank goodness, that original screenshot was a real kick in the pants.
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While I'm not officially a faction member, I'd like to point out that starting dumb two-front hellwars is probably not a good idea. And while this LP isn't exactly going for optimal play, I'd also like to point out that if you find yourself in this kind of poo poo, you would want to go to war with the goal of forcing either France or Morocco to sever their alliance and then start the real war when the truce runs out and they're divided.
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everydayfalls posted:This is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it! Pah, do not make me slap you with my shoe. Countless times have we made overtures to Palermo and Morocco, and when has that borne us fruit? That's right, never. We either ruin our relations at the behest of the money-grubbing Merchants or bloodthirsty Taifas in the case of Morocco or, as with Palermo, they are too weak to help us. It is time to reach further. The Vakhtani possess Jerusalem, and perhaps in time they shall hold Mecca itself. It is clear that Allah's providence radiates upon them, which we would do well to recognize. Further, what is distance in this age, when we can ship trinkets, goods, and slaves from lands previously unknown? Distance has not stopped us, and it will not stop the Vakhtani from helping us (or vice versa) in times of need.
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Jun 15, 2017 13:27
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Just a heads up, there's already a policy suggestion that's kinda the same for the merchants.
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WilliamAnderson posted:
I support this.
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WilliamAnderson posted:
I support this.
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GunnerJ posted:Just a heads up, there's already a policy suggestion that's kinda the same for the merchants. Having multiple factions pass essentially the same policies is a proud tradition of the Majlis.
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Cerebral Bore posted:While I'm not officially a faction member, I'd like to point out that starting dumb two-front hellwars is probably not a good idea. And while this LP isn't exactly going for optimal play, I'd also like to point out that if you find yourself in this kind of poo poo, you would want to go to war with the goal of forcing either France or Morocco to sever their alliance and then start the real war when the truce runs out and they're divided. Hi, you jammy bastard! I love that gang tag from the UKMT. Anyways, we were already in the process of doing exactly this when the goons of the Majlis decided to back out of the war with Morocco at the last second. I will stop complaining about this now, but we really created all of the conditions for this foreign policy disaster. It is a total self goal on par with any from the Conservative Prime Ministers of the last few years IRL.
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GunnerJ posted:It also might lose though, just pointing it out. Yours is pretty nebulous; I explicitly want us to cast our lot with the Vakhtani.
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Erwin the German posted:Yours is pretty nebulous; I explicitly want us to cast our lot with the Vakhtani. Yeah they're definitely different but if both passed then one might be redundant. Honestly I'd kinda like the opportunity to withdraw mine if yours picks up steam but it's looking like maybe "Strengthen The New World Trade Act" is going to win, which is fine because I always like more colonies. (Also it looked like you said Morocco, but I thought the Vakhtani were in charge of whatever Turkey is now?)
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Updated policies:Luhood posted:I propose the simply named Bavarian Alliance Act. We need to ally with Bavaria as a means to protect ourselves from the French and our so called "Muslim Brothers" in Morocco. Only then, when we are safe from the overbearing sword of our rivalling neighbours, can we start even thinking about rebuilding. Luhood. Rodyle posted:The Mountains and the Sea Act Rodyle, Lord Cyrahzax, Dick Trauma, Mr_Autoshades, Lynneth. Erwin the German posted:I propose the Recognition Act: Let us end our rivalry with the Vakhtani Caliphate, acknowledge them as the Caliphate of Islam, and join forces so that in future wars against our true adversaries, the perfidious Christians of Europe, we are not so easily overwhelmed. Erwin the German, AJ_Impy, Ralepozozaxe, devildragon777, Hitlers Gay Secret, Slaan. Snipee posted:I propose the Keep Converting Act where we commit to converting as many provinces as we can to Sunni Islam. I don't know when is the next time the Ulama might be strong enough to convert provinces on our own, so I want us to take advantage of our moment of relative strength. Snipee. everydayfalls posted:More Friends fewer Enemies act everydayfalls. GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Muslim Brotherhood Act: Prioritize cultivating a strong alliance with another Muslim power. GunnerJ, Yvonmukluk, Talas. paragon1 posted:I propose the We Need Tequila Now Act Establish 5 colonies on the mainland of Mexico. paragon1, GunnerJ, Captain Oblivious, Crazycryodude, Frionnel, Mr.Morgenstern, catlord, Rubix Squid. Mikl posted:Peace For Our Time Act, Revised - make diplomatic overtures and try to ally with France and/or Morocco, if at all possible. Just imagine! Together we will be unstoppable! Mikl. WilliamAnderson posted:I propose the Strengthen The New World Trade Act. The Sultan is directed to get each of our colonial nations up to ten provinces by any means necessary for the extra merchants. WilliamAnderson, Ikasuhito, Technowolf, Soup du Jour. TildeATH posted:Proposing Noble Sultana, Save Us from Ourselves which entails kissing up and making nice and developing as many allies as we can in this time of weakness and cupidity on the part of her disloyal snakelike Majlis. TildeATH, Archaeology Hat, RZApublican.
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WilliamAnderson posted:
I support this. We always need more money.
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 Session closed. Passed policies are the Mountains and Sea Act, the Recognition Act, the We Need Tequila Now Act, the Strengthen the New World Trade Act, and the Noble Sultana Save Us From Ourselves Act.The two merchant policies make it a bit difficult to carry both out, but they're not conflicting or anything, so I'll see what I can do.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Are we still going to continue to convert the north? No, the only time the Ulema can convert without policies is if they're in power.
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Hashim posted:No, the only time the Ulema can convert without policies is if they're in power. Ah man, now that missionary is wasted. 
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