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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah, I'm can see a spectrum of trump personally knowing he owes them billions and The Tape Is Real, or one of his sons hosed up big time and he's trying to save face. I do think the Russian debt stuff is why he adamantly refused to release his taxes though.
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https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/875140849448996864 i wonder if the cause:effect is too far separated in time i know dogs don't figure it out if they're separated by any real length of time maybe trump doesn't either
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think the most likely scenario is that he owes them a bunch of money because he's a joke of a businessman, but I'm still holding out hope for the Pee Tape. yeah i tend to agree with TPM's take on this: after Trump's most recent bankruptcy, he became untouchable, nobody was interested in lending to him, so he had to go in with russia - and sleazier parts of russia - to get the cash to keep going he knows that's where the money is coming from, and he who pays the piper calls the tune
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/875140849448996864 Trump doesn't understand cause and effect... like a dog.
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farraday posted:Trump doesn't understand cause and effect... like a dog. 
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farraday posted:Trump doesn't understand cause and effect... like a dog. I leaked on her like a bitch
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farraday posted:Trump doesn't understand cause and effect... like a dog. President of the United States of America
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evilweasel posted:yeah i tend to agree with TPM's take on this: after Trump's most recent bankruptcy, he became untouchable, nobody was interested in lending to him, so he had to go in with russia - and sleazier parts of russia - to get the cash to keep going This was even confirmed stupidly by an off the cuff interview with a golf reporter where Eric said Russian golf enthusiasts were funding their new properties. Given the all-star team Mueller put together to fine comb through Trump and Co.'s finances, massively shady deals are almost certainly coming to light in the next months/year.
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RasperFat posted:This was even confirmed stupidly by an off the cuff interview with a golf reporter where Eric said Russian golf enthusiasts were funding their new properties. I just hope nothing happens between now and then that will gently caress it up somehow. And I hope it will have a massive, massive effect on the political landscape.
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Pollyanna posted:I just hope nothing happens between now and then that will gently caress it up somehow. And I hope it will have a massive, massive effect on the political landscape. Getting rid of the electoral college and gerrymandering are the 2 most obvious ways of fixing your system, but it would take a massive amount of resources and luck to actually push through right?
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Furnaceface posted:Getting rid of the electoral college and gerrymandering are the 2 most obvious ways of fixing your system, but it would take a massive amount of resources and luck to actually push through right? The first one yes but there are legal challenges going on about gerrymandering right now. In fact the SCOTUS just last month declared North Carolina's gerrymandering to be unconstitutional. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolina-gerrymandering/527592/ The electoral college won't be going away but there is machinery starting to get rid of gerrymandering at least.
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Furnaceface posted:Getting rid of the electoral college and gerrymandering are the 2 most obvious ways of fixing your system, but it would take a massive amount of resources and luck to actually push through right? Will never happen, and might possibly happen although it's unlikely, respectively
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Party Plane Jones posted:Bigly things signed today: wait what vvv I read over it like five times because I couldn't process the fact that the president signed a law that would promote ethical behavior goethe.cx fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:Bigly things signed today: Followed tomorrow by the "Follow My Rules" Act, which voids the previous order because it was an intentional typo by a liberal spy in the administration. All government personnel are now required to render unto Caesar their undying allegiance and loyalty. The pens used to sign the FAKE ORDER are hereby recalled so they can be burned in the hottest fires possible, and the ashes are to be burned afterwards. The original language sounds like something drafted by an ambulance chaser: "This bill extends the prohibition against a person taking, failing to take, or threatening to take or fail to take a personnel action against any employee or applicant for employment for refusing to obey an order that would require the individual to violate a law to personnel actions against such an individual for refusing to obey an order that would violate a rule or regulation." I feel like I need a tab of Dramamine reading that. "Don't turn left or right, but when you turn right then don't turn left, *or* right again, or turn around, or do a backflip or somersault..." BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Suppressing a grin here, thinking about Donald J. Trump finally sitting down to a big loving birthday cake, family and sycophants crowded around, as he gets the news from an aide that WaPo is reporting five separate sources confirm he is under investigation by Special Counsel Mueller for obstructing justice. In this fantasy his family both cares about him and he already didn't know about the investigation.
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So Trump is obviously guilty, so his only move is to fire Mueller. So what happens then? Isn't the US out of cops to police the president?
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:wait what It seems the president has taken huge steps to prevent workplace retaliation. You know, that thing that every company, from forbes-50 to ever podunk piece of poo poo that has an HR department on the loving planet does. If I'm reading this correctly.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:wait what quote:Imagine you’re a federal worker and your boss asks you to violate a federal law that’s been passed by Congress. If you refuse to do so — instead pledging fidelity to the law — you’re protected from employment retaliation thanks to the Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989. It’s your superior who’s considered in the wrong for making the illegal request in the first place, not you for disobeying your boss. It seems... good?? Passed the House 407-0.
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Furnaceface posted:Getting rid of the electoral college and gerrymandering are the 2 most obvious ways of fixing your system, but it would take a massive amount of resources and luck to actually push through right? Getting rid of the Electoral College would require a constitutional amendment. And a constitutional amendment requires 2/3 of the legislature and 3/4 of the states to approve it. Getting the people who benefit most from the system to overwhelmingly approve dis-empowering themselves would take a miracle.
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Cheekio posted:So Trump is obviously guilty, so his only move is to fire Mueller. A) Military coup 2) Citizens start taking shots at him 3) Impeachment f) A new counsel is appointed
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ponzicar posted:Getting rid of the Electoral College would require a constitutional amendment. And a constitutional amendment requires 2/3 of the legislature and 3/4 of the states to approve it. Getting the people who benefit most from the system to overwhelmingly approve dis-empowering themselves would take a miracle. Neutering the Electoral College would just require having more than enough states to push over the 270 EV total to sign onto the compact that allocates their EV to the popular vote winner. They're currently at 165.
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skylined! posted:Suppressing a grin here, thinking about Donald J. Trump finally sitting down to a big loving birthday cake, family and sycophants crowded around, as he gets the news from an aide that WaPo is reporting five separate sources confirm he is under investigation by Special Counsel Mueller for obstructing justice. He doesn't treat his birthday any differently than any other meal. He eats alone, gulping down big forkfuls of a grocery-store birthday cake and a pint of Neapolitan ice cream. He makes Jared sit on a stool and watch, but he's not allowed to speak. They sit in darkness because they still don't know how to work the lights.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Neutering the Electoral College would just require having more than enough states to push over the 270 EV total to sign onto the compact that allocates their EV to the popular vote winner. How close are we to that? Ah answered by edit.
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Citizen's United probably needs to be addressed somehow as well if you want to fix American politics, but if I understand correctly that's probably a non-starter without a constitutional amendment. I don't think Americans are aware of just how disproportionate the amount of money is spent on American political campaigns and advertising. The last time I checked spending in recent American federal elections was roughly an order of magnitude higher per capita than comparable elections in other Western countries (Canada, the UK etc). Before you bring up the tale of Trump vs Jeb to argue that campaign spending doesn't matter anymore, keep in mind that Trump received a ridiculous amount of effectively free advertising in 2016 from the idiot major networks. Most races don't become a media circus and the fact remains that money likely equals votes.
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skylined! posted:A) Military coup I think if we've learned one thing from today it's that liberals (especially the nutjobs with violent domestic abuse records  ) need to learn how to shoot better.Also, abolishing the EC, while it would be a step in the right direction, in this political climate would result in an all-fifty-state vote recount by the loser of a general national election, even if the winner won handily, just out of spite.
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Pollyanna posted:I just hope nothing happens between now and then that will gently caress it up somehow. And I hope it will have a massive, massive effect on the political landscape. Depending on what Mueller finds, it could be devastating. What if it's found out, and it seems reasonably plausible, that a poo poo load of Republican officials got illegal funding from Russia? Not just Flynn's personal account padding, but campaign funding for the craziest assholes that destabilize the government and are constantly trying to destroy our institutions and international standing. Even if it's only 5-10% of Republican politicians, I don't see how the party can recover. Having 20+ politicians in your party all being tied to treason while the rest of the party was defending it and trying to sideline investigations would be a scandal of such unprecedented scale that the Republican Party would hopefully be crushed forever.
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skylined! posted:It seems the president has taken huge steps to prevent workplace retaliation. Yeah that's what I gathered--my "wait what" was in response to Trump signing what appears to be A Good Bill
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Party Plane Jones posted:It seems... good?? Passed the House 407-0. Looks like Sean Duffy discovered what happens when whistleblowers stop being polite ... and start getting real.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:Yeah that's what I gathered--my "wait what" was in response to Trump signing what appears to be A Good Bill "Look guys, I can govern! I can govern! Please don't kick me off the gravy train!" alternatively he misread/just didn't understand the content.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:Yeah that's what I gathered--my "wait what" was in response to Trump signing what appears to be A Good Bill Before anyone decides to  prematurely, remember that this is still a thing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...9dd5_story.htmlSo while an SES or GS-15 might not be able to discriminate, "The Untouchables" still very much can, so long as they've got a pet legislator to sponsor it.
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Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. Boom. Fixed.
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skylined! posted:It seems the president has taken huge steps to prevent workplace retaliation. Uh, from a company standpoint, that's not true at all. There are a lot of ways for companies to retaliate against employees who stick to the morale high ground, are whistle blowers, etc. They just have to pretend they are being fired for something else. Especially with lots of states having at will employment it's not that difficult. Sure there's ways to legally challenge it in certain instances but that's certainly not something companies are actively putting in place themselves if we are going by recent history. For a recent high profile case, just look at what happened to all the people who used Wells Fargo's internal line to report the misconduct with the fake accounts being opened. They were retaliated against to the maximum possible degree (firing and effective blacklisting from financial sector). Thankfully Wellsfargo got in trouble for that (among other things) but they certainly did not have adequate protections for employees as a part of corporate policy. And they are far from the only company like that.
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Furnaceface posted:Getting rid of the electoral college and gerrymandering are the 2 most obvious ways of fixing your system, but it would take a massive amount of resources and luck to actually push through right? Congress can pass a law banning gerrymandering. It did in the past.
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JuniperCake posted:Uh, from a company standpoint, that's not true at all. There are a lot of ways for companies to retaliate against employees who stick to the morale high ground, are whistle blowers, etc. They just have to pretend they are being fired for something else. Especially with lots of states having at will employment it's not that difficult. Sure there's ways to legally challenge it in certain instances but that's certainly not something companies are actively putting in place themselves if we are going by recent history. Yeah you are a sucker if you ever call the company's anonymous tip line without first consulting with a labor lawyer about managing and mitigating the blowback that's going to come towards you when you make the call.
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enraged_camel posted:Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. I think you'll find that half of the Supreme Court disagrees and think money doesn't even have the appearance of corruption. Money is literally speech under law right now. 
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enraged_camel posted:Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. Lawfully mandating an official campaigning period like the UK would help, too. None of this "running 18 months in advance" bullshit.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Lawfully mandating an official campaigning period like the UK would help, too. None of this "running 18 months in advance" bullshit. That would violate the 1st amendment.
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JuniperCake posted:Uh, from a company standpoint, that's not true at all. There are a lot of ways for companies to retaliate against employees who stick to the morale high ground, are whistle blowers, etc. They just have to pretend they are being fired for something else. Especially with lots of states having at will employment it's not that difficult. Sure there's ways to legally challenge it in certain instances but that's certainly not something companies are actively putting in place themselves if we are going by recent history. I said most companies (paraphrasing) had rules prohibiting retaliation, not that they were effective or unabused. Reading through it, my simplistic breakdown wasn't really precise, tho
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