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Party Plane Jones posted:Neutering the Electoral College would just require having more than enough states to push over the 270 EV total to sign onto the compact that allocates their EV to the popular vote winner. They're currently at 165. I personally don't trust this plan because even if you could get enough Republican-controlled states to agree to neuter the institution that has handed them two elections in sixteen years and the massive amount of power that comes with that, the next time something like 2000 happens there's nothing stopping the Republican government of, say, Florida from reneging and giving their electoral votes to the popular vote loser because "we're not going to let some deal overrule the will of the Florida voters" or some poo poo. It seems like the kind of plan that would only ever benefit Republicans because they don't care about fairness or norms or democracy, they only care about power, so they know Democrats would give away an EC victory PV loss that benefited them whereas Republicans would never keep up their end.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Looks like it! But the cartoon. 
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enraged_camel posted:Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. You'd need a different Supreme Court or a constitutional amendment; not very easy.
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Ague Proof posted:But the cartoon. It's actually a snowstorm so heavy you can only see white
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The Southern Baptists did eventually condemn the alt-right movement. There was a lot of drama involved but they got it done. It sounds like part of the problem was that there were too many old people that weren't really familiar with the alt-right. Maybe you think that sounds far-fetched but believe me, people that go to baptist churches can be completely oblivious. I met a Baptist pastor once that wasn't super familiar with the idea that idea that germs cause illness and that's why washing your hands is a good idea.
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evilweasel posted:Congress can pass a law banning gerrymandering. It did in the past. Congress can also fix the electoral college somewhat by increasing the size of the House. This would also bring the government closer to people and is generally a good idea that we should push for. Actually I think Congress both stopped increasing the size of the house and made gerrymandering possible in the same year-1929. I doubt that's a coincidence. Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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enraged_camel posted:Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. Agreed - simple is one thing, but easy is another. Such action would have to be law, those that handle lawmaking are infested with private money etc etc. Even if it were to become law, these are people we are talking about. New ways to circumvent said rules would be pretty much zero-day. But yeah, in my opinion the largest detriment to government doing what the public actually wants is a self-fueling engine. Either that or replace everyone in government with incorruptible, moral, people. Wow, I really didn't want to be that much of a downer.
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TOOT BOOT posted:The Southern Baptists did eventually condemn the alt-right movement. There was a lot of drama involved but they got it done. It sounds like part of the problem was that there were too many old people that weren't really familiar with the alt-right. None of that is surprising at all.
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Jun 15, 2017 02:00
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Ague Proof posted:But the cartoon. He won a pulitzer.
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enraged_camel posted:Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. Define "private", "money", "politics", "Candidates", and "use," please.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Maybe you think that sounds far-fetched but believe me, people that go to baptist churches can be completely oblivious. I met a Baptist pastor once that wasn't super familiar with the idea that idea that germs cause illness and that's why washing your hands is a good idea. Nobel prize for the first person who comes up with a way to stop dumb loving idiots from voting that can't be subverted for racist purposes.
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Discendo Vox posted:Define "private", "money", "politics", "Candidates", and "use," please. Define "define," please. Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that words in fact have meanings?
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This is by definition old news but man Washington post has a great summery of all the russia connections trump has: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.eec0fbe3b98b
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Define "define," please. Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that words in fact have meanings? Depends on what your definition of "is" is
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business hammocks posted:He won a pulitzer. Well that makes me want to eat my own feces in disgust In this particular "cartoon" he gets away with being lazier than I ever thought possible. gently caress him, and that comes as an artist, not as a Democrat
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Define "define," please. Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that words in fact have meanings? we already decided earlier that you can't post something without believing it. QED, motherfucker.
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TildeATH posted:Nobel prize for the first person who comes up with a way to stop dumb loving idiots from voting that can't be subverted for racist purposes. Invalidate all votes for republicans unless your personal income is above 250k a year?
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Discendo Vox posted:Define "private", "money", "politics", "Candidates", and "use," please. Compare this post to your title. It's like a mirror, heh.
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business hammocks posted:He won a pulitzer. TWO pulitzers!
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Define "define," please. Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that words in fact have meanings? Each of the words I mentioned has a line of caselaw as long as your arm litigating its definition and ramifications for campaign finance, even just at the federal level. It's not a simple or straightforward area.
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evilweasel posted:That would violate the 1st amendment. Not really. Reasonable restrictions to speech are commonplace. An obvious parallel would be prohibitions on electioneering near polling locations. Simply change distance to time. I'd love to see public financing of elections but am pretty pessimistic that billionaires would let it fly.
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Happy birthday, rear end in a top hat.
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Discendo Vox posted:Each of the words I mentioned has a line of caselaw as long as your arm litigating its definition and ramifications for campaign finance, even just at the federal level. It's not a simple or straightforward area. define the length of his/her arm
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Happy Birthday from courts https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/875158729771151360
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Pander posted:Not really. Reasonable restrictions to speech are commonplace. An obvious parallel would be prohibitions on electioneering near polling locations. Simply change distance to time. Billionaires would contribute more in a public campaign finance system than other people. Because they'd pay higher taxes. 
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empty whippet box posted:It's actually a snowstorm so heavy you can only see white It is a mountain of cocaine and all the colluding parties drowned in it.
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skylined! posted:define the length of his/her arm 24.3 inches.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Define "define," please. Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that words in fact have meanings? Discendo Vox is right, "getting private money out of politics" is a good aspiration but implementing and drafting it would be about as straightforward as "bringing back American jobs" or "healthcare for everyone"
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Pander posted:Not really. Reasonable restrictions to speech are commonplace. An obvious parallel would be prohibitions on electioneering near polling locations. Simply change distance to time. The main reason Westminster systems are able to avoid these extremely long campaigns is because the election dates aren't fixed (and also restrictions on fundraising mean you can't spend money for months on end). I'm not sure how the US could avoid them with the dates known years in advance.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:Discendo Vox is right, "getting private money out of politics" is a good aspiration but implementing and drafting it would be about as straightforward as "bringing back American jobs" or "healthcare for everyone" I totally agree I was just being a butt.
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Discendo Vox posted:Define "private", "money", "politics", "Candidates", and "use," please. Ah yes, the pedantry defense of oligarchy and bribery
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Would the special counsel investigation legally have access to Trump's taxes?
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Pander posted:Not really. Reasonable restrictions to speech are commonplace. An obvious parallel would be prohibitions on electioneering near polling locations. Simply change distance to time. Banning people from talking about politics in a self-aggrandizing way at certain times is not going to fly as a time/place/manner restriction.
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Discendo Vox posted:Each of the words I mentioned has a line of caselaw as long as your arm litigating its definition and ramifications for campaign finance, even just at the federal level. It's not a simple or straightforward area. Other western countries manage to do these things. As mentioned before the US spends (very) roughly 10 times as much on federal elections than Canada, which is outrageous. I do agree it's not simple or easy, much like fixing America's broken healthcare system. edit: oops ~10 times per capita Nocturtle fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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I feel like he's going to have no choice but to fire Mueller out of sheer desperation as this progresses
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Petr posted:Would the special counsel investigation legally have access to Trump's taxes? He has subpoena power, yes. He can use that to demand to see Trump's tax returns.
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Discendo Vox posted:24.3 inches. i believe this is a number you made up and await user ToxicSlurpee to confirm my suspicions, thus invalidating every argument you have ever made.
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Weren't there rumors that there was evidence of Ryan and McConnell laundering Russian money into the GOP as well? I seem to recall that, but it may have been Louise Mensch craziness.
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Nocturtle posted:Other western countries manage to do these things. As mentioned before the US spends (very) roughly 10 times as much on federal elections than Canada, which is outrageous. I do agree it's not simple or easy, much like fixing America's broken healthcare system. Well the US has 10 times the population of Canada. Actually are you sure about that figure? I would have thought we spent less than that up here....
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