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Railing Kill posted:But the last dozen episodes all suffer from the same thing as the Section 31 problem above: it's a lot of good world-building, but just way too late to really bake into the series. In the last dozen episodes, Enterprise has fleshed out Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, Andorians, Tellerites, The Orion Syndicate, and Section 31. While all of this has been good, it's also too little, too late. This series could have been great if this was season one. Someone will have to correct me if I'm remembering the timing wrong, but those episodes could've been produced and in the can before they knew for sure they were getting cancelled.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The walls are pretty bare, but what are your specific complaints on this one? I don't think I've seen you talk about the TMP consoles before. They had to lower the floor lighting to something like 20 foot-candles so that the lights on the consoles would actually register in the camera. Why did they have to do this? Because the buttons on the consoles were melting, so the electricity had to be reduced. Makes one wonder what quality of craftsmen had been hired -- and if Wise was firing the right people. I mean, when you let the look of your movie be dictated by that era's state-of-the-art version of Christmas tree lights, you're doing something seriously wrong. Wise replacing Joe Jennings with Michelson as the PD was a huge boner. Delsaber posted:Someone will have to correct me if I'm remembering the timing wrong, but those episodes could've been produced and in the can before they knew for sure they were getting cancelled. It wasn't official but right after the show was renewed for the fourth year, it was made clear in no uncertain terms to Berman, Braga and Coto that the fourth season was a gift, and unless Enterprise suddenly became the most popular show on television, that was going to be that. Coto was still developing stories for a fifth season (and, boy howdy, were they loving stupid) in the event of a miracle, but everyone knew the show was a dead man walking. Timby fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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I've always wondered this: what bizarre episode of trek does your avatar refer to???
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:I've always wondered this: I think it's just Space Moose doing what Space Moose does
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:what bizarre episode of trek does your avatar refer to??? James Moosehan finally had it with William Shantler.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The walls are pretty bare, but what are your specific complaints on this one? I don't think I've seen you talk about the TMP consoles before. Starfleet awarded the bid that year to the Daystrom Institute's competitor who put in their knockoff version of LCARS, NO1CURRS.
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Trip report: DS9 season 2, episode 19 "Blood Oath" Even taking into account the fact that I don't for a second buy Jadzia as a competent fighter, I enjoyed the heck out of this one. It made my day when I recognized John Colicos as Kor, and then saw at least Koloth was also the original actor. Kang too? I've seen Babylon 5 more recently than TOS so I recognized him more as the Technomage sought out by Londo, but I seem to be able to place him in the TOS episode where the energy being is feeding on their hostility. Anyway I hadn't remembered, or maybe never realized at original airing, that they had gotten the same actors back for the Klingons, so that made the whole episode for me even though it would've been an average Worf episode on TNG or if he were around yet here.
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Astroman posted:Starfleet awarded the bid that year to the Daystrom Institute's competitor who put in their knockoff version of LCARS, NO1CURRS. 
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Timby posted:They had to lower the floor lighting to something like 20 foot-candles so that the lights on the consoles would actually register in the camera. Why did they have to do this? Because the buttons on the consoles were melting, so the electricity had to be reduced. Makes one wonder what quality of craftsmen had been hired -- and if Wise was firing the right people. I mean, when you let the look of your movie be dictated by that era's state-of-the-art version of Christmas tree lights, you're doing something seriously wrong. Wise replacing Joe Jennings with Michelson as the PD was a huge boner. I thought the lighting problem was due to the fact that on TMP they went with rear-projection film for the console graphics (which as I recall from Return to Tomorrow were their own unending boondoggle) and they couldn't make the projectors bright enough. Then on TWOK they went to tape-driven CRTs. Martha Stewart Undying posted:I've always wondered this:    
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So when is Discovery being canceled again?
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Watching Samaritan Snare. Geordi's apprentice from the last episode is back. Was she added because they wanted a noob who wasn't the reviled Wesley?
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Oh my fuckin god Oh, you're in for such a treat.  Paging poster Pakled to the thread, poster Pakled to the thread. It's your moment. By the way, please keep posting your impressions as they occur, they're loving great to read.
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Oh so this is Picard's heart somebody mentioned when I brought up cyber. "Our Betazoid counselor is often aware of things beyond our perceptive abilities" That's about as ham-fisted as dialogue can get.
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I can't stand this. Each scene with the Pakleds is worse than Code of Honor. They're such a dumb person's idea of a dumb person.
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"We need our chief engineer back on our ship" Maybe you should have listened to Worf, dumbass
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Hey now, the Pakleds aren't dumb, they just don't speak well because they didn't evolve to communicate that way, so their brains and vocal cords aren't adapted to speech. 
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I liked this episode when I was a kid because I didn't realize it was a ripoff of The Corbomite Maneuver
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Jeb! Repetition posted:WHAT HAHAHAHA This was when Geordi got phasered. So the theme is Picard is extremely concerned with his image but he's letting a young ensign ask him questions about loneliness.
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Picard's story about his wild youth just reminds me of how little Wesley ever acts like a teenager.
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"Make us strong" This episode seems to have some kind of moral lesson about how you shouldn't steal technology from more advanced species but, how can you even apply that to real life.
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The fat Pakled that walks by the camera as the scene opens is the show stealer
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The Pakleds just stare frozen on the screen for like 15 seconds.
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They are smartJeb! Repetition posted:This episode seems to have some kind of moral lesson about how you shouldn't steal technology from more advanced species but, how can you even apply that to real life. I think the moral is "don't underestimate people" but maybe I'm giving the episode too much credit.
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The B plot comes up again (in a very good episode in I think season 6) but I don't think the A plot ever does
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I'm sure to the Q Continuum, we all look the same.
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Kesper North posted:I'm sure to the Q Continuum, we all look the same. Coincidentally, when I first watched "Pakleds," I thought, "This has to be some sort of Q bullshit. There's no way this is real."  Anyway, I just started ENT's "In a Mirror Darkly." I absolutely hate the MU poo poo in DS9. That said, the alternative title sequence for ENT is loving amazing. So far, so good...
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Maybe Discovery will bring back the Pakleds.
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A Pakled prequel story could actually work. Just imagine how dumb and forgettable the 23rd Century Pakled would have been. You could completely get around the "why haven't they heard of them before" problem because they'd basically just be "Primitive Rock Farmers #78194," so who would even remember them?
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Pakleds show up in the background occasionally on DS9.
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Grand Fromage posted:Pakleds show up in the background occasionally on DS9. No those were bajorans, tho its easy to confuse treks two dumbest peoples.
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Guys, if you're not following Roddy Doyle's Star Trek on Facebook, you should.  
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:No those were bajorans, tho its easy to confuse treks two dumbest peoples.  Finished "In a Mirror Darkly." Loved it. Season four of Enterprise continues its relentless campaign of "look at how cool this could have been if we didn't fart around for two seasons." Looks like the last plot series is up next. I'm tempted to not watch "These are the Voyages" because prior to this run through, that was the only episode I had seen and I know how much it sucks. (I was staying with a buddy for a week back when it aired and watched it when he did. I had only seen a dozen TNG episodes and a handful of TOS episodes at the time and had no specific interest in Trek.)
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The Pakleds just stare frozen on the screen for like 15 seconds. The lead Pakled is a guy named Christopher Collins, who did the voice for Starscream and Cobra Commander.
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shamelessly stolen from YOSPOS.. https://twitter.com/annetdonahue/status/875331105767010305/photo/1
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Please tell me they never show up again. Spoilered, just in case anyone cares about 27-year-old plot twists: After Datalore, Lore was rescued by a Pakled ship, and shows up in one of their outfits. We can assume he murdered the poo poo out of them. EDIT - Haha, holy poo poo: (not spoilered) Memory Alpha posted:The Pakleds were originally to have been led by him in the sixth season two-parter "Descent" and "Descent, Part II", though they were ultimately replaced with the Borg in that pair of episodes. (TV Zone, issue 61, p. 38) After The War fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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