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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline? This poll is closed. |
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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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NickRoweFillea posted:
lmfao
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Jun 15, 2017 19:35
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ex post facho posted:i used to be, back before i realized that maybe ~10% of the franchises in the league has an actual shot to win each year Do you like any sports? Every league I can think of has a handful of good teams and the other 90% are middle of the pack or bottom feeders. Like do you really think the Padres have a shot at the World Series this year? Basketball is different because aside from an NFL QB, there really isn't a situation where you can get one superstar that dramatically changes a whole team. LeBron goes back to Cleveland and they immediately turn from garbage to Finals competitors.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:35
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NickRoweFillea posted:
Nick is the GOAT
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Jun 15, 2017 19:37
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Bigass Moth posted:Do you like any sports? Every league I can think of has a handful of good teams and the other 90% are middle of the pack or bottom feeders. but this isn't true, the MLB, NFL and NHL all have much greater degrees of variance in who makes and wins their championships than the NBA parity in basketball is a difficult problem, and I'm not really sure how the league addresses it, but it is a problem that needs to be seriously examined i guess i'd start by reforming the draft lottery system and drastically reworking salary caps
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Jun 15, 2017 19:40
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Bigass Moth posted:Do you like any sports? Every league I can think of has a handful of good teams and the other 90% are middle of the pack or bottom feeders. Baseball is a really terrible point to bring up because most people, including "experts" expected teams like the Brewers, Rockies, Dbacks, and Twins to finish well below .500 and if the season ended today they would be in the playoffs. Parity in Baseball is extremely reverent. But also I don't think that parity is either a problem, nor is it "fixable" in the NBA unless you do things that are massively anti-player like limiting teams to one max contract. Basketball has, and always will be a game about stars and that will never end.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:43
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Spacebump posted:This. Caron was the #2 on the team until he got hurt. However, it moved Marion to the starting lineup and Marion played the best d in LeBron out of anyone in the Finals. honestly i was kind of rooting against Caron coming back by the time the finals rolled around because it would eat into Marion's role and minutes. Marion was playing such good D and the offense was running like such a finely-tuned machine it didn't strictly need Caron's baseline-iso 15. i'm probably being a little unfair.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:45
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basketball has like a hundred scoring opportunities a game, its nature lets you leverage any talent disparity far more than other sports. its not going to change without some insanely draconian rules and that would not even help the sport. gently caress the warriors and all but watching good basketball is better than watching bad basketball and teams pooling talent means theres more good basketball and less 1 good player and 4 scrubs.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:48
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Ghost Dog posted:basketball has like a hundred scoring opportunities a game, its nature lets you leverage any talent disparity far more than other sports. its not going to change without some insanely draconian rules and that would not even help the sport. gently caress the warriors and all but watching good basketball is better than watching bad basketball and teams pooling talent means theres more good basketball and less 1 good player and 4 scrubs. so the answer then is contraction and shorter playoff series "buh buh buh why do want less basketball!!!" mostly because with talent concentrated amongst a smaller number of teams it's more likely that those teams are closer to eachother in relative talent level; also shorter playoff series means that you introduce a higher degree of variance into what team wins that series basically i think the quarters and semis should be single elimination, conference finals are best of three, finals are best of seven ex post facho fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 19:49
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ex post facho posted:so the answer then is contraction and shorter playoff series the answer to How Do I Make Less Good Basketball  i guess
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Jun 15, 2017 19:50
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EvanTH posted:Magic Johnson had a bunch more years of MVP-level play in him but now folks don't even remember how hosed up the HIV stigma was. Teams were saying they'd refuse to play against him and people were nodding like "yeah understandable". This kinda thing was happening everywhere: To be fair, people were genuinely terrified. HIV transmission was not yet understood by the public, and it was viewed as a virtual death sentence. This wasn't simple prejudice - this was actual fear. Fear borne of ignorance, but sincere fear nonetheless.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:52
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basketball is already good you jabronis
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Jun 15, 2017 19:52
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BWV posted:basketball is already good you jabronis yea i agree. so do you think the next 5 finals winners will be warriors warriors warriors warriors cavs, or warriors cavs warriors warriors cavs
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Jun 15, 2017 19:54
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BWV posted:basketball is already good you jabronis i dunno i could see losing 4 teams and not really feeling the lack
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Jun 15, 2017 19:54
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BWV posted:basketball is already good you losers it freaking owns
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Jun 15, 2017 19:55
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BWV posted:basketball is already good you jabronis
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Jun 15, 2017 19:56
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ex post facho posted:yea i agree. so do you think the next 5 finals winners will be warriors warriors warriors warriors cavs, or warriors cavs warriors warriors cavs I feel like you are extremely shortsighted. 2000: So do you think the next 5 finals winners will be Lakers Lakers Lakers Lakers 2008: So do you think the next 5 finals winners will be Celtics Celtics Celtics Celtics 2011: So do you think the next 5 finals winners will be Miami Miami Miami Miami
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Jun 15, 2017 19:56
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i don't think it's really shortsighted to think that wahtever team lebron and curry are on are favorites to make it to the finals for the next 5 years, or i guess until lebron finally starts breaking down, which will admittedly probably happen in the next 3 years the nba could eliminate: - Nuggets - Jazz - Suns - Grizzlies - Bucks - Timberwolves - Pistons - Magic - Pels - Hornets - Raptors - Nets - Pacers - Thunder - Kings disperse their talent to the other 15 teams and you instantly have a better league, full of stacked teams that would produce the best most competitive basketball youve ever seen ex post facho fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 19:58
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ex post facho posted:yea i agree. so do you think the next 5 finals winners will be warriors warriors warriors warriors cavs, or warriors cavs warriors warriors cavs IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRODUCT DON'T WATCH IT The NBA is in a good place right filled with lots a young talent. No one knows how the NBA will look in 2 years. If parity is what you desire then basketball is not the game for you
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Jun 15, 2017 19:58
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BWV posted:basketball is already good you jabronis
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Jun 15, 2017 19:59
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ex post facho posted:the nba could eliminate: You could eliminate half the league of any sport and it'd be more competitive. Why not just have two teams?
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Jun 15, 2017 20:00
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ex post facho posted:the nba could eliminate: Nah that's too many, there are enough decent-to-good players to support more teams than 16 or whatever. like 24 feels pretty good
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Jun 15, 2017 20:00
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You are literally insane.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:01
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ex post facho posted:i guess i'd start by reforming the draft lottery system and drastically reworking salary caps Neither of these things had all that much to do with the Warriors. They didn't win lotteries and they were pretty average in terms of total team salary (#7, but less than 7% higher than the #15 team). ex post facho posted:yea i agree. so do you think the next 5 finals winners will be warriors warriors warriors warriors cavs, or warriors cavs warriors warriors cavs This is retrospective. If this is such a slam dunk go take out a home loan and bet on it. Lots of people weren't giving Cleveland a chance in hell until they won and there are people on this board who think the Warriors would have had trouble getting past the Spurs if not for an injury. If that injury happened to Durant instead of Kawhi I am pretty sure this Finals would have looked WAYY different. 3 years ago the Warriors were outside of the top-5 in Finals odds. 3 years from now there is no telling what things will look like.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:01
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Metapod posted:IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRODUCT DON'T WATCH IT but i do like the product i like the product even better when i feel like it's not entirely futile to be a fan of my team
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Jun 15, 2017 20:01
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ex post facho posted:the nba could eliminate: except they wouldn't because you can only play 5 players at once. this thread is full of posters who love the current product. Is it sort of annoying that the 2nd best player went to the best team? sure. But it doesn't change the fact that the on court product on a night to night basis is immensely entertaining and the current players, even those who play on the least competitive teams, are full of personality and outside of Ian S are so loving good at putting the basketball into the net
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Jun 15, 2017 20:01
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Let's take half the teams out and destroy all opportunities for youth to grow and the league itself. Yes this is s good idea
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Jun 15, 2017 20:02
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contraction assumes that the amount of talented people coming into the nba is set in stone and that the # of teams has no impact on the evaluation of talent, and the likeliness of athletes to become nba players. thats pretty naive and unfounded. seems like an insanely simplistic approach to something thats really complicated.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:03
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ex post facho posted:i don't think it's really shortsighted to think that wahtever team lebron and curry are on are favorites to make it to the finals for the next 5 years naw
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Jun 15, 2017 20:03
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actually the idea of a premier league system like the English soccer system sounds like it'd work pretty well for the NBA without needing contraction
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Jun 15, 2017 20:04
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Also Shrinking the league makes the product infinitely worse. Less teams mean talent can pool way easier. If you think you're seeing the same 2 teams in the finals now, enjoy seeing the CP3/Harden/Kawhi/Lebron/Davis Cavs go up against the Curry/Thompson/Durant/Draymond/Cousins Warriors for 8 seasons in a row. Lebron is going to be 38 in 5 years. Curry's ankles could die tomorrow and no one would bat an eye. I've never mat a fan so fatalist that they hate their team so much they literally, unironically want they contracted. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 20:04
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ex post facho posted:actually the idea of a premier league system like the English soccer system sounds like it'd work pretty well for the NBA without needing contraction the premier league is like the last direction i'd go if i'm looking for example of parity
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Jun 15, 2017 20:05
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Paul Zuvella posted:Also Shrinking the league makes the product infinity worse. drat i'd watch the poo poo out of that series
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Jun 15, 2017 20:06
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Almost every single idea related to shrinking the number of teams or lessening the number of games would never ever be approved because of the revenue loss. I mean a 70 game season would almost assuredly be a better product to watch but at no point in time in the world will the rich dickheads who own the teams let that 100 million dollars walk away from them so that sports nerds on the internet complain slightly less.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:07
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ex post facho posted:but i do like the product lol
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Jun 15, 2017 20:07
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Dutchy posted:the premier league is like the last direction i'd go if i'm looking for example of parity i meant in terms of relegation of clearly less competitive teams to their own "G league", i mean as everyone's talking about why waste everyone's time with the facade of a competitive league when (apparently) parity isn't important in the NBA?
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Jun 15, 2017 20:08
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RaySmuckles posted:did this guy say that kobe lost to the pistons in 2004 and then lebron knocked them out in 2005? because the pistons went to the finals in 2005 and lost to the spurs. lebron didn't see the finals for two more years, and i'm pretty sure the 2007 pistons were nothing like the 2004-05 pistons The 06 07 Pistons were Billups/Rip Hamilton/Tayshaun Prince/Chris Webber/Rasheed with Antonio Mcydess and Jason Maxiel coming off the bench which was otherwise loving horrible with Carlos Delfino, Flip Murray, rookie Amir Johnson, Nazr Muhammad, Dale Davis, and a 50 year old Lindsay Hunter. They ran Flip Saunders's 1965 offense of midrange jumpers to perfection and remained a very good defensive team despite Ben Wallace leaving for Chicago where he would again dominate Shaquille O'neal in the playoffs, the marble mouth who accused an innocent person of pedophilia to the police and who ruined TNT's NBA coverage, Shaq was again stymied by a better player who would, without Detroit's training staff, soon succumb to injuries. I remember them fondly, I remember being tricked by broadcasters into thinking Carlos Delfino was always almost on the verge of breaking out and becoming a great basketball player. I remember Jason Maxiell's explosive fat guy dunks, I remember Chris Weber's midrange jumpers, and I remember the 1970s buddy comedy esque pairing of Flip Saunders and Flip Murray I wonder if the Bulls stealing Ben Wallace away in free agency is what subconsciously motivated Joe Dumars to sign Ben Gordon and torpedo the franchise
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Jun 15, 2017 20:08
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BWV posted:basketball is already good you jabronis especially this year 
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Jun 15, 2017 20:08
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ex post facho posted:actually the idea of a premier league system like the English soccer system sounds like it'd work pretty well for the NBA without needing contraction Manchester United literally has over 50% of primer league championships.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:09
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ex post facho posted:drat i'd watch the poo poo out of that series THEN YOU SHOULD LOVE THE NBA RIGHT NOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:10
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Dejan Bimble posted:The 06 07 Pistons were Billups/Rip Hamilton/Tayshaun Prince/Chris Webber/Rasheed with Antonio Mcydess and Jason Maxiel coming off the bench which was otherwise loving horrible with Carlos Delfino, Flip Murray, rookie Amir Johnson, Nazr Muhammad, Dale Davis, and a 50 year old Lindsay Hunter. They ran Flip Saunders's 1965 offense of midrange jumpers to perfection and remained a very good defensive team despite Ben Wallace leaving for Chicago where he would again dominate Shaquille O'neal in the playoffs, the marble mouth who accused an innocent person of pedophilia to the police and who ruined TNT's NBA coverage that pistons team was so fun to watch, Rip Hamilton was so loving good at those elbow curls carlos delfino was kindred spirits with eddie najera
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Jun 15, 2017 20:10
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