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Zand posted:you're right. capcom would never pay out fgc members for their support for marketing Holy poo poo a company engages with the community, how dare they. The graphics look a bit poo poo in the promo art and some cutscenes (seems pretty much entirely bad lighting rather than fundamental issues), we best get on the train calling the entire game a poo poo scam to steal our money before we even play it. At best Justin/Champ/Kbrad/etc got tickets and travel/accommodation, it's a free trip, not working. If you're working at a public event representing your company, you have to constantly be on the ball making sure you don't say the wrong thing, offend somebody or perhaps portray the product in a negative light because your livelyhood depends on your wage. It's most likely even worse for Combofiend as he's been friendly, or even worse unfriendly, with those attending for years. It's like having to work the bar at a party for all your friends, while they enjoy themselves you are stood there jobbing it. Unconstructively making GBS threads on something is never going to give you an improved end product or future product, it's just going to make people stop listening.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:44
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DLC Inc posted:people just can't handle that capcom is Really Bad now  i've known that for a while thanks
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Jun 15, 2017 20:44
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Fellblade posted:Unconstructively making GBS threads on something is never going to give you an improved end product or future product, it's just going to make people stop listening. people constructively shat on sf4 and umvc3 for years and years, we still got SFV and MvC:I
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Jun 15, 2017 20:46
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Zand posted:you have the weirdest axe to grind Naaaaah, just someone gotta give you poo poo every once in a while. I mean, you do realize people literally being hired to do poo poo for a company and paid shilling are two different things, right? You do get that very basic aspect of marketing down?
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Jun 15, 2017 20:46
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gently caress, they gave Max a preview copy of the demo before E3, which I haven't seen anybody else doing, and his reaction is 'not really impressed'. poo poo, he's on the payroll it must be reverse psychology!
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Jun 15, 2017 20:48
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Fellblade posted:Holy poo poo a company engages with the community, how dare they. The graphics look a bit poo poo in the promo art and some cutscenes (seems pretty much entirely bad lighting rather than fundamental issues), we best get on the train calling the entire game a poo poo scam to steal our money before we even play it. eat my rear end (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 15, 2017 20:51
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Max doesn't have to shill beyond "pretending to be hype to entertain his teenage audience," fighting game devs will give him whatever he wants because he's the biggest fighting game centric internet personality there is. He's literally more trustworthy than any Top Player who has been featured on ESL.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:53
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Fellblade posted:Holy poo poo a company engages with the community, how dare they. Literally this.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:53
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Fellblade posted:Unconstructively making GBS threads on something is never going to give you an improved end product or future product, it's just going to make people stop listening. lol well then I hope capcom is getting used to making below their projections, like SFV. bitching about problems usually fixes them when it comes to games that have a bad launch or something. NRS changed a fuckton of animation and facial constructions for Injustice 2, and even changed things like Batman's stance or Mr. Freeze's headgear when people complained. So yes it actually does work but that also requires a developer that's competent.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:55
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Fellblade posted:Holy poo poo a company engages with the community, how dare they. when did I say it's bad for them to do? I was only saying it's weird to think that believing they do this is a conspiracy. I just said that's what they did and all it means is you have to take sponsored opinions with a grain of salt
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Jun 15, 2017 21:01
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dangerdoom volvo posted:eat my rear end PHEW, nice to know im not the only loving moron in this thread!
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Jun 15, 2017 21:02
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Zand posted:when did I say it's bad for them to do? I was only saying it's weird to think that believing they do this is a conspiracy. There's no conspiracy because everybody with a brain understands what is happening, reacting like it's some big secret is what makes you seem like a conspiracy loon. Along with stuff like: bebaloorpabopalo posted:Max doesn't have to shill beyond "pretending to be hype to entertain his teenage audience," fighting game devs will give him whatever he wants because he's the biggest fighting game centric internet personality there is. Of course it doesn't apply to him because *made up reasons that definitely don't apply to people who say anything positive*. Like Justin totally needs Capcom to invite him to E3 or he will become irrelevant.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:07
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cosmic brain over here
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Jun 15, 2017 21:11
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surprisingly the fighting game community does not consist of 5 people who are constantly given preferential treatment
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Jun 15, 2017 21:13
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Fellblade posted:Like Justin totally needs Capcom to invite him to E3 or he will become irrelevant. Justin making money relies on Capcom succeeding, this isn't very hard. Like if you think Capcom fighting games keep flopping and they shut down the Pro Tour and stop pumping money into tournaments and invitationals, Justin will remain sponsored and keep his sham job at Nvidia? Meanwhile Max can scream over any fighting game, new or old or even just start playing different games entirely and he will get 10k viewers and make tens of thousands a month off ads and donations and subscribers.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:15
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Fellblade posted:There's no conspiracy because everybody with a brain understands what is happening, reacting like it's some big secret is what makes you seem like a conspiracy loon. Along with stuff like: I wish I could be as hype for mvci as you and cams
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Jun 15, 2017 21:16
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Fellblade posted:There's no conspiracy because everybody with a brain understands what is happening, reacting like it's some big secret is what makes you seem like a conspiracy loon. Along with stuff like: OKay, so here's the thing, I think it's stupid to equate hiring a FG guy as a consultant/combat designer to doing undisclosed promotional content on the Internet (by the way, that's illegal as poo poo). It's valid and to a certain point it's GOOD to have people that like and care about FGs working on new releases. You also shouldn't take their word at face-value because they ARE LITERALLY EMPLOYED BY THE DEVELOPER. When it comes to bringing in FG people for PR, that's a whole different ball game. Unfortunately, I do think most Capcom-heads are way overselling the game and ignoring criticism, but you ain't gonna make real cash outta that. See, I don't think those dudes are getting paid for real, I think they're doing the same song and dance they do with any semi-popular new release. You don't need to buy out people that are willing to shill for free.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:19
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Also to be fair I think Justin is probably the least likely of them to be a shill and is probably actually genuinely enthusiastic about the game, He's the guy who still thinks wrestling is real and John Cena is his actual hero.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:20
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Zand posted:I wish I could be as hype for mvci as you and cams hahahhah you spend so much time on the internet talking about games you don't like
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Jun 15, 2017 21:20
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I don't really understand why people would be against harming a company monetarily by spreading negative propaganda about its product to reduce sales. The product looks like poo poo, it appears to be bred from the same "double down on bad decisionmaking" design philosophy that Capcom has been notorious for in recent years, and people are mad about it. They don't want Marvel to be bad - they want Marvel to be cool and fun. What is wrong with being destructively critical of the company and its product when they don't provide the product you want? The relationship between a corporation and a customer is one based on money. If the audience doesn't like what's being put on offer - you harm the company by not spending money on it and giving them negative feedback so that they will modify what is being produced, and hopefully make something the audience DOES want the next time around. This game isn't a labor of love, it's not an art piece or a grassroots project. It's a cash grab infused with one of the largest entertainment IPs in the world. There's nothing wrong with being a cash grab. A cash grab can be a fun game and competitively viable etc - but you shouldn't feel sympathy or pity toward it when people are being critical of it, constructive or not. Don't pity Capcom, or their decisions. Influence them by not rewarding their bad behavior with your money. Talk about your opinions on forums and use Twitter to give feedback. That's all you can really do besides not buy/buy their stuff and convince others to do the same. Just don't be surprised when people use "extreme methods" or language to influence others to buy or not buy the product. That's just how this stuff works, and it's OK
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Jun 15, 2017 21:23
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that's the problem when the developer of a game becomes intertwined within the community of the game, those on top of the community who stand to lose the most can weaponize the threat of its destruction if the developer doesn't do well. it doesn't matter if the game is bad, don't criticize it and buy it anyway because we're All the FGC and Your Community could be hurt if it doesn't do well. you wouldn't want to hurt your fellow Fighting Game Community members, would you?
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Jun 15, 2017 21:26
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dangerdoom volvo posted:cosmic brain over here
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Jun 15, 2017 21:27
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pissdude posted:I don't really understand why people would be against harming a company monetarily by spreading negative propaganda about its product to reduce sales. The product looks like poo poo, it appears to be bred from the same "double down on bad decisionmaking" design philosophy that Capcom has been notorious for in recent years, and people are mad about it. They don't want Marvel to be bad - they want Marvel to be cool and fun. What is wrong with being destructively critical of the company and its product when they don't provide the product you want? The relationship between a corporation and a customer is one based on money. If the audience doesn't like what's being put on offer - you harm the company by not spending money on it and giving them negative feedback so that they will modify what is being produced, and hopefully make something the audience DOES want the next time around. bebaloorpabopalo posted:that's the problem when the developer of a game becomes intertwined within the community of the game, those on top of the community who stand to lose the most can weaponize the threat of its destruction if the developer doesn't do well.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:28
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in on the ground floor of another "im not mad!!!!" episode in the Puppetmaster Theater
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Jun 15, 2017 21:31
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cams posted:for real the internet was a mistake and has completely broken a generation of boys what's your stance on all this cams
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Jun 15, 2017 21:32
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cams posted:for real the internet was a mistake and has completely broken a generation of boys yeah it's pretty sad that the internet has convinced people that corporations are their friend and Brands Are Engaging With Me In Good Will
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Jun 15, 2017 21:33
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Jun 15, 2017 21:33
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as a member of The Community, i hope mvci does badly and capcom goes out of business so we're forced to embrace under night in birth
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Jun 15, 2017 21:34
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late stage capitalism ftw
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Jun 15, 2017 21:34
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:that's the problem when the developer of a game becomes intertwined within the community of the game, those on top of the community who stand to lose the most can weaponize the threat of its destruction if the developer doesn't do well. It's a weird dynamic you can only get now that esports are a thing, and unfortunately that ain't going away even if you actively try to keep it grassroots. There's also that secondary layer where people that like the "bad" game feel pissed off at people that keep telling them they're putting time into something worthless, so it just generates this willingness to tune out legit criticism as even more trash talk. When that narrative is pushed by renowned players, it just adds even more white noise to the whole debacle. A friend of mine (that doesn't even play Capcom games, he's a Melty player) was complaining about how people were really quick to poo poo on whoever liked MVCI with DBFZ comparisons, and we had a quick back and forth about how Capcom kinda deserved to eat poo poo for their laziness. He finished it off by saying there's a lot of dudes that put so much time and effort into Capcom franchises that they just don't wanna see them get away, and they'll go in very hard on anyone talking poo poo about them. I feel like that's true, and in the end the FGC is still a bunch of fanboys trying to defend their favorites games, y'know.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:34
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Endorph posted:as a member of The Community, i hope mvci does badly and capcom goes out of business so we're forced to embrace under night in birth have they said a drat thing about localizing recent versions
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Jun 15, 2017 21:35
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pissdude posted:what's your stance on all this cams but i am the odd one out here so i try not to read these threads too much because they contain very, very little of value. tabs is actually funny and jmcrofts and sn64 do legitimately good work when new games come out. i love fighting games so i will buy this fighting game and play it and probably enjoy it a ton.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:37
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Countblanc posted:have they said a drat thing about localizing recent versions the most recent console version of uniel is the one they localized. latest was in arcades for like 70 years. it's coming out on consoles in july. we'll probably hear rumblings about localization here in a couple months.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:37
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Oh poo poo I agreed with cams time to check out.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:38
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:yeah it's pretty sad that the internet has convinced people that corporations are their friend and Brands Are Engaging With Me In Good Will defective human beings
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Jun 15, 2017 21:39
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cams posted:people thinking that "video games" is the battle worth fighting is the problem. you guys are literally video game activists.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:40
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cams posted:defective human beings Is the same guy who literally made fun of new players trying to figure out mvc3 in the goonsgarden irc while drunk?
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Jun 15, 2017 21:42
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cams posted:people thinking that "video games" is the battle worth fighting is the problem. you guys are literally video game activists. nobody does this. you are the dumbest fucker in all of games.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:43
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Captain Baal posted:Is the same guy who literally made fun of new players trying to figure out mvc3 in the goonsgarden irc while drunk?
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