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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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 Following a revolt by the English nobility against his rule, King John puts his royal seal on the Magna Carta, or “Great Charter.” The document, essentially a peace treaty between John and his barons, guaranteed that the king would respect feudal rights and privileges, uphold the freedom of the church, and maintain the nation’s laws. Although more a reactionary than a progressive document in its day, the Magna Carta was seen as a cornerstone in the development of democratic England by later generations. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Antwan3K posted:As a citizen of an EU country frankly I think the EU should go into negotiations with job transfers (especially high tech and manufacturing) from the UK to EU countries as a major objective stealing are jobs now
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jabby posted:Plus the government is hiding behind most of the victims being 'missing'. A more cynical person could conclude that helpful lie is why there's so little coordinated effort to identify the injured and inform their families. The Casualties Bureau (surely the grimmest job in the Home Office) has been stood down now - all but a few of the survivors and bodies so far recovered have now been identified and people informed, and local Plod take over from here. The reason why nobody's come up with a number is nobody really knows how to. The 150 number is (allegedly) from the local councils numbers - a fairly grim arithmetic of "We know this many people lived in that building, and we've identified this amount of people". The problem is they've absolutely no way of knowing how many people escaped without coming into contact with authorities (a small number), how many were on holiday or otherwise not in the building (probably a larger number), and how many were just never there for one reason or another (happens more than you think, kids registered to vote at home but away at college, say). Then weighing against that is the council won't know about sublets, sofa-surfers, undeclared partners, and all the other random people that might have been in the building that night. The real number could be a little lower or much, much higher, which is why nobody wants to go on record with it. The real problem is some of those flats burned for over 12 hours, at pretty high temperatures - it's entirely possible that they will *never* be able to give a definite number because some of those residents are now indiscriminate carbon sludge.
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Antwan3K posted:Yea don't need them. We have more than enough red trousers wearers already I thought the French phased those out a century ago.
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Dastardly Eurocrats Demand Britain Sacks You! Well we say NON mr baguette as we launch our daily express crusade for British Jobs for British People
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This is probably the first of many (hundreds? gently caress, I hope not) accounts from people who lost family, and yeah, it's just ... really awful. I can genuinely see riots coming from this, once the shock turns to anger: https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreak...london-40239008
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kustomkarkommando posted:Dastardly Eurocrats Demand Britain Sacks You! Well we say NON mr baguette as we launch our daily express crusade for British Jobs for British People How did this thing even happen where we decided that Germany was actually secretly hitler's fifth column deep-cover group that wants to take over europe BY STEALTH or something, but also that everyone in the EU is french?
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Jun 15, 2017 21:42
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A friend of a friend was in the tower, thankfully she's OK, but has no possessions or home. Is there anything we as anonymous Internet losers and slacktivists can do about Grenfell tower? Any links you guys have handy? This is just the loving worst
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I thought the French phased those out a century ago. the french also have smug looking equivalents of tories kustomkarkommando posted:Dastardly Eurocrats Demand Britain Sacks You! Well we say NON mr baguette as we launch our daily express crusade for British Jobs for British People would love this, because they wouldn't be able to do anything about it Antwan3K fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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winegums posted:QT might be good tonight, my droogs. Join us on #ukgoons to shout at the TV impotently. Sadly Emily Thornberry will probably have switched off her smug mode, in light of the circumstances.
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J_RBG posted:A friend of a friend was in the tower, thankfully she's OK, but has no possessions or home. Is there anything we as anonymous Internet losers and slacktivists can do about Grenfell tower? Any links you guys have handy? This is just the loving worst Just saw that aid groups said they don't need stuff, but would rather have you donate money to a relief fund https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...4b0d5ab311e8217
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Marmaduke! posted:Sadly Emily Thornberry will probably have switched off her smug mode, in light of the circumstances. Her righteous anger mode should be pretty worthwhile viewing, though.
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XMNN posted:the government just seems completely absent these are some George W. Bush flying over Katrina optics to use that horrible word
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Apraxin posted:This is probably the first of many (hundreds? gently caress, I hope not) accounts from people who lost family, and yeah, it's just ... really awful. I can genuinely see riots coming from this, once the shock turns to anger: Well gently caress, this completely broke me 
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XMNN posted:the government just seems completely absent What government?
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J_RBG posted:A friend of a friend was in the tower, thankfully she's OK, but has no possessions or home. Is there anything we as anonymous Internet losers and slacktivists can do about Grenfell tower? Any links you guys have handy? This is just the loving worst Also there's a couple of donation drives that have been in the papers enough to be legit.
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XMNN posted:the government just seems completely absent We don't even have a government right now.
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Apraxin posted:This is probably the first of many (hundreds? gently caress, I hope not) accounts from people who lost family, and yeah, it's just ... really awful. I can genuinely see riots coming from this, once the shock turns to anger: I want to do something to Tories that if I went into detail would have me investigated.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Casualties Bureau (surely the grimmest job in the Home Office) has been stood down now - all but a few of the survivors and bodies so far recovered have now been identified and people informed, and local Plod take over from here. Bones don't burn very well, and house fires are relatively low temperature (at least compared to a crematorium oven). Considering the fine-tooth comb that's gonna be used to go over this place I'd be surprised if the death toll isn't spot-on or very close. I get what you're saying about it being very difficult to make an estimate at this stage, but when have you ever seen a disaster where the media haven't given an estimated death toll? Marmaduke! posted:Sadly Emily Thornberry will probably have switched off her smug mode, in light of the circumstances. The Tories have also sent their one MP that has done anything commendable recently, the guy who tried to resuscitate the stabbed police officer. I still hope the audience goes for him though.
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XMNN posted:the government just seems completely absent They're consciously trying to avoid being involved which is even worse. This is exactly the sort of thing that Cobra has previously been convened over and it hasn't.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:56
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jabby posted:Bones don't burn very well, and house fires are relatively low temperature (at least compared to a crematorium oven). Considering the fine-tooth comb that's gonna be used to go over this place I'd be surprised if the death toll isn't spot-on or very close. Does that also apply when it sounds like the entire outside of the building got turned into thermite?
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Antwan3K posted:Just saw that aid groups said they don't need stuff, but would rather have you donate money to a relief fund Guavanaut posted:There's the Dispossessed fund and I'd hope even Gideon is above dipping into that for coke money. Thanks folks, I've given what I can This literally would not happen in a functioning country. gently caress the Tories and all their enablers.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:59
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jabby posted:Bones don't burn very well, and house fires are relatively low temperature (at least compared to a crematorium oven). Considering the fine-tooth comb that's gonna be used to go over this place I'd be surprised if the death toll isn't spot-on or very close.
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winegums posted:QT might be good tonight I know hope isn't a lie and all now but this is just going too far
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Darth Walrus posted:Does that also apply when it sounds like the entire outside of the building got turned into thermite? Probably. Even in an actual crematorium you still end up with a bunch of easily identifiable bone fragments. I'm sure it's possible something will gently caress up and someone will be missed, but I'd expect the final count to be accurate. EDIT: What guavanaut said.
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Darth Walrus posted:Does that also apply when it sounds like the entire outside of the building got turned into thermite? Not really: for one, even this fire probably wouldn't be hot enough to set off thermite: you need something like 2500C , and even huge fires don't get that hot.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:02
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XMNN posted:the government just seems completely absent they're all busy thinking really hard about Brexit
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I hope they identify the remains of Theresa May's career quickly because it's ghoulish putting her in front of the cameras right now.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:03
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Skinty McEdger posted:They're consciously trying to avoid being involved which is even worse. Theresa may hiding herself away is loving disgraceful tbh, 150 people might be dead and she won't speak to their friends and families because she might get shouted at and look bad sadiq khan might as well have said nothing but at least he actually tried
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Angepain posted:I know hope isn't a lie and all now but this is just going too far Don't worry, I've already updated the image 
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Don't worry, I've already updated the image 
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XMNN posted:Theresa may hiding herself away is loving disgraceful tbh, 150 people might be dead and she won't speak to their friends and families because she might get shouted at and look bad Khan is busy forming the response to all this and has worked on getting the survivors accommodation - he's actually doing something, unlike George W. May.
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But in her case it definitely won't be a "Heck of a job, Brownie" moment when she next meets Khan. Well, hopefully.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:11
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gently caress, just watching the news is harrowing tonight. 'Missing'.
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Antwan3K posted:As a citizen of an EU country frankly I think the EU should go into negotiations with job transfers (especially high tech and manufacturing) from the UK to EU countries as a major objective I would be grateful if you at least left me my job in the electrical industry- I see no reason why I should have to suffer to appease the 52%. On a broader note guys, I think that it is verging on cyber-bullying to make jokes about taking people's livelihoods away- whether those jokes are made by spiteful leavers who hope that members of the 'metropolitan elite' (including blue collar electricians like myself for some reason) are driven into destitution for daring to have a contrary opinion, or citizens of the EU 27 who think that including Remainers in their schadenfreude is clever. Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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yeah i imagine sadiq khan is pretty busy right now, its just his speech didn't really go over well but at least he stood in front of the victims despite them being angry theresa may has just kept below the parapet and seems to have abdicated leadership, if the best she can come up with in nearly 48 hours is promising an inquiry which was inevitable anyway then she is loving useless
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XMNN posted:sadiq khan might as well have said nothing but at least he actually tried
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XMNN posted:she is loving useless f*cked up if true
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