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business hammocks posted:I'm watching Suicide Squad for some reason and by god it is exactly as stupid and baffling as Batman vs Superman, but in a completely different way. I'd love to know what it looked like before someone panicked and made it into this weird movie loaf. It was all panic by the sound of things.
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business hammocks posted:I'm watching Suicide Squad for some reason and by god it is exactly as stupid and baffling as Batman vs Superman, but in a completely different way. I'd love to know what it looked like before someone panicked and made it into this weird movie loaf. According to private conversations I've had with people involved in the editing, it was over three hours long and slower than the Half Life 3 development cycle. Completely unrelated I made some content that's not really a review per say but it's definitely relevant since it's a "state of the industry" thing and, I dunno, I guess maybe it's a review of YouTube itself? IDGAF. Yeah! Fake macho posturing to disguise the serious anxiety I get over exposing myself every single time I put anything scripted out there! Emotional investment is scary! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3snVCRo_bI
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FoldableHuman posted:According to private conversations I've had with people involved in the editing, it was over three hours long and slower than the Half Life 3 development cycle. Just watched it. Very good and from what happened to Contra, something that anyone wanting to make more streaming sites should hear on community building and moderation. And it's not just Youtube. Twitter and Facebook are the same loving way. I rarely go on Reddit so I don't know what it's like there. One of the sites on VICE did a story about SA itself and one of the former mods (Or maybe it was Lowtax) basically said. "You have to have a human mod team with clear rules. It's a dictatorship. If you don't, then pretty soon all your left with are the absolute worst people" Edit: Here it is https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gently caress-you-and-die-an-oral-history-of-something-awful Motherboard posted:Hendren: One thing that's different in a lot of ways from a lot of communities is Something Awful is very much a dictatorship. You had your main guy and then you had a couple lower main guys and you had five or 10 administrators under that and everybody followed everybody else up to the top. Edit: I think in a few years SOMETHING is going to happen that makes what happened to Leslie Jones look like nothing, then were going to get serious about moderation or harassment on platforms. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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The weirdest thing about that oral history, aside from how top-down it is, is that half the people haven't been relevant to the forums for years.
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FoldableHuman posted:Completely unrelated I made some content that's not really a review per say but it's definitely relevant since it's a "state of the industry" thing and, I dunno, I guess maybe it's a review of YouTube itself? IDGAF. Yeah! Fake macho posturing to disguise the serious anxiety I get over exposing myself every single time I put anything scripted out there! Emotional investment is scary! I like how in the twitter thread about this in which the Vidme guy nitpicked that the one video was parody, the parody video creator changed the video name to include "joke, because some idiot didn't watch the video and lied about it" That weirdly flippant response is a little telling of your early point about what kind of community they are gonna bring in.
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Trojan Kaiju posted:I like how in the twitter thread about this in which the Vidme guy nitpicked that the one video was parody, the parody video creator changed the video name to include "joke, because some idiot didn't watch the video and lied about it" Let's not forget that he's a straight ripoff of Ask a Ninja. Like, the fact that VidMe's most popular user is a bad clone of one of YouTube's earliest hit channels just says so, so much. In the scant time since the video went up I've been getting horror stories from VidMe users pointing me towards specific videos where the site operators picked fights with creators in the comments. It's weird, and I'm really glad I structured this more as a general overview of the relationship between creators and platforms than a point-by-point criticism of VidMe, because vidMe will almost certainly be dead by this time next year.
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FoldableHuman posted:According to private conversations I've had with people involved in the editing, it was over three hours long and slower than the Half Life 3 development cycle. The only thing I know about movies is that I have seen some, but I feel like if your movie is over two hours long and feels rushed and also is incoherent because you can't cleanly cut or move anything without leaving weird edges sticking out, you had some problems that probably needed to be addressed way before you started editing. The movie never even suggests how or why these characters could work together to accomplish anything, when usually a movie like this would be all about the misfits learning to work together as a team. A child's movie about baseball can accomplish that in like 90 minutes, tops. I'll watch the new video as soon as I have a chance, but analysis of youtube as medium instead of a neutral field is extremely useful.
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The thing that stuck out to me was the comment about video creators on YouTube not really having their own sites, and yeah, not many do, which can be a bad situation to be in. Since there's no central hub website you're solely dependent on subs to retain viewers, solely dependent on comments beneath videos to foster a community, and solely dependent on ad revenue from the videos you produce, which means if you don't have a new one up today you might not have a paycheck tomorrow. I remember back when Blip was around a lot of the big names on that platform did have their own sites that I used to visit frequently, but nowadays I just sub to their youtube channels. Works for me cause I'm antisocial and don't feel like jumping between a dozen different website communities, but I can see why that wouldn't be the best situation for content creators.
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FoldableHuman posted:Holy crap, he did change it! It's sad how it's so predictable on the life cycle of videohosting sites while YouTube is still this hulking mess that because it has no real competition has no reason to actually do much other than give corporations more and more power over other users without due process. Is there any possibility of a site that would be a YouTube competitor that addresses your concerns does what you want. Annointed fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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The co-founder of VidMe spent a good bit of time this evening tweeting at me. Probably the most telling thing he said was that they don't pay anyone to do R&D, just him and the other founder, but they're a team of 12 people, per their FAQ. Who knows, maybe he goes in to the office tomorrow and is like "dude, we need to hire someone to do R&D."
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I love when assumptions of competence are proven wrong. Great video, Dan. Very informative.
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Annointed posted:Is there any possibility of a site that would be a YouTube competitor that addresses your concerns does what you want. Thing is, some of them do/did, but got caught up on other things. Blip attracted a ton of creators for their laxer (is that a word?) stance on copyright infringement, for example, but the platform had issues with audiences not spreading to other videos outside the ones they were already interested in. The problem with competing with a monolith is that you need to come out to the public fully formed, because any lack of a handhold is going to make people fall back to YouTube immediately. Only vaguely related, but I think the elephant in the room is that just as creators and platforms have a naturally hostile relationship, so do creators and the audiences. A creator might worry about monetization and stuff, but your audience doesn't want to see a goddamned ad. Things that make it easier to earn money from your videos are the same thing your audiences don't want.
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FoldableHuman posted:The co-founder of VidMe spent a good bit of time this evening tweeting at me. Probably the most telling thing he said was that they don't pay anyone to do R&D, just him and the other founder, but they're a team of 12 people, per their FAQ. Who knows, maybe he goes in to the office tomorrow and is like "dude, we need to hire someone to do R&D." man that is loving hilarious, I can just picture him watching that video and getting a slow sinking feeling when you talk about how it's just good business sense to have market research might be a bit of sunk cost behaviour coming from those guys
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MisterBibs posted:Only vaguely related, but I think the elephant in the room is that just as creators and platforms have a naturally hostile relationship, so do creators and the audiences. A creator might worry about monetization and stuff, but your audience doesn't want to see a goddamned ad. Things that make it easier to earn money from your videos are the same thing your audiences don't want. On the other hand, Patreon.
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Patreon is a good alternative to the ad revenue on YouTube, especially with the recent ad-pocalypse. I have no idea how sustainable long term it is though. On a related note, one of my favorite let's players found that if he doesn't use curse words in a video, he gets 4 times as much ad revenue so he's started censoring himself and just trying not to say them while he's recording his videos. I'm not sure how YouTube detects if certain words are spoken though.
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Mischalaniouse posted:Patreon is a good alternative to the ad revenue on YouTube, especially with the recent ad-pocalypse. I have no idea how sustainable long term it is though. That it exists at all and is currently working for some people proves that creators and audiences do not have a naturally hostile relationship, advertising is not a requirement of content creation.
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FoldableHuman posted:The co-founder of VidMe spent a good bit of time this evening tweeting at me. Probably the most telling thing he said was that they don't pay anyone to do R&D, just him and the other founder, but they're a team of 12 people, per their FAQ. Who knows, maybe he goes in to the office tomorrow and is like "dude, we need to hire someone to do R&D." Never underestimate how threadbare the operations of start-ups can be. WampaLord posted:On the other hand, Patreon. Patreon is opt-in and completely 100% voluntary. If you'd drop the voluntary aspect, it wouldn't work. Annointed posted:It's sad how it's so predictable on the life cycle of videohosting sites while YouTube is still this hulking mess that because it has no real competition has no reason to actually do much other than give corporations more and more power over other users without due process. Is there any possibility of a site that would be a YouTube competitor that addresses your concerns does what you want. It's unavoidable. Youtube has now for a good number of years had an effective monopoly on public internet video-hosting (not counting pornography) and the network externalities inherent to the business model (you need viewers to attract content creators and content creators to attract viewers) makes it impossible for anyone else to push in. I'd actually just straight up compare it to the rail-barons of old because the set-up is very similar. UN-comprehensively large costs to enter the market, first-mover advantage is everything and there is a huge reliance on network externalities to lock consumers in. Furthermore, Youtube itself is to this day still hasn't figured out just how to become profitable. It's offering a platform that gives too much to both advertisers and consumers at the cost of themselves and content creators. Just like content creators will subsidize their Youtube operations with Patreon and Twitch streams so too does Youtube itself with Google search engine revenue. Google can't really do anything about this because as last month showed when billions in ad revenue went up in smoke they are completely dependent on advertisers themselves. The entire thing is a nightmare mess and at some point something will have to give.
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MiddleOne posted:Patreon is opt-in and completely 100% voluntary. If you'd drop the voluntary aspect, it wouldn't work. Where did this come from, did I suggest dropping the voluntary aspect?
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I might have confused your line of argument with someone else's. Sorry. 
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business hammocks posted:The movie never even suggests how or why these characters could work together to accomplish anything, when usually a movie like this would be all about the misfits learning to work together as a team. I mean in the movie's very mild defense, that's about the standard of the comics too. Nobody there really wants to work together or probably even do the jobs they're handed, they do them because a pardon's being dangled in front of them and once it starts, they do them because otherwise they get taken off the job via explosion.
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Mischalaniouse posted:On a related note, one of my favorite let's players found that if he doesn't use curse words in a video, he gets 4 times as much ad revenue so he's started censoring himself and just trying not to say them while he's recording his videos. I'm not sure how YouTube detects if certain words are spoken though. I almost hope that this is just a coincidence and that YouTubers are actively developing superstitions about their platform.
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The "we are all friends here, we are all in this together" is really a strategy to get your employees to work harder and longer without extra compensation. It's really lovely and pretty manipulative and a great way to get around regulation. It is really prevalent in tech startups, since those companies often used to be start-ups run by actual friends, but now, it has basically become codified as an actual management strategy, just like "flexible working hours".
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FoldableHuman posted:Let's not forget that he's a straight ripoff of Ask a Ninja. Like, the fact that VidMe's most popular user is a bad clone of one of YouTube's earliest hit channels just says so, so much. hehehehehehehe... {wide eyed} AHAHHAHAHAHAHA {stares right at camera} AHAHSLKJALKSMDLKGF {snaps} The Goddamn TGWTG Wikia Page posted:Ask a Ninja is a show that originally ran between 2005 to 2011 and was picked up by Channel Awesome in August 2015, the only new talent of that year. The show stars the Ninja, who answers various questions about ninjas and other related things. new episodes were produced-- in two-thousand-fifteen-- specifically for Channel Awesome-- as the only """""""airquote""""" NEW """""""airquote""""" talent that year-- and not mentioned in the wiki but the show has since been Michaud-Scrubbed from the site.  cHaNnEl AwEsOmE pIcKeD uP aSk A nInJa In 2015
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FoldableHuman posted:The co-founder of VidMe spent a good bit of time this evening tweeting at me. Probably the most telling thing he said was that they don't pay anyone to do R&D, just him and the other founder, but they're a team of 12 people, per their FAQ. Who knows, maybe he goes in to the office tomorrow and is like "dude, we need to hire someone to do R&D." I know how these places work. It'll be "Dude, we need to hire someone to do R&D. Post an ad on craigslist and the local university for a hungry junior developer. Let's say $40k. Must have full stack knowledge. They'll figure out the backend on the job."
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OH MY GOD OOOOOOHHHHHHMYYYYYYGOOOOOOOD I actually have the vaguest memories of this. DAMMIT LORNE! Also Alex Benzer did a big old comment last night Alex Benzer posted:Hey guys, Vidme co-founder here. I'm starting to feel a bit bad, like I just assumed a level of professional intent far above reality. My impression, at this point, is that the founders are trust fund kids who decided "hey, let's make Imgur, but for video!" with the unstated goal of becoming the unofficial video platform of Reddit. Some of the hilarious notes in this response, personally, are the fact they seem surprised that drama and meta content overwhelmed their upvote system (anyone who's moderated an even moderately popular subReddit could have warned you about this), that he turns the second half of the post into a pitch for VidMe, and that he straight up slips into the "all in this together" faux-communal language I explicitly called out. And, Jesus, who the hell makes a site without agonizing over the front page? Has the value of a first impression somehow slipped from human memory? Am I a time lord? This is not my beautiful house... Edit: oh, right, I also discovered that their payment system, well, I'll just quote the FAQ VidMe FAQ posted:How do I redeem tips?
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So, how long until Vidme does what every bitcoin exchange does and gets "hacked", losing all of that money?
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FoldableHuman posted:I'm starting to feel a bit bad, like I just assumed a level of professional intent far above reality. My impression, at this point, is that the founders are trust fund kids who decided "hey, let's make Imgur, but for video!" with the unstated goal of becoming the unofficial video platform of Reddit. Some of the hilarious notes in this response, personally, are the fact they seem surprised that drama and meta content overwhelmed their upvote system (anyone who's moderated an even moderately popular subReddit could have warned you about this), that he turns the second half of the post into a pitch for VidMe, and that he straight up slips into the "all in this together" faux-communal language I explicitly called out. And, Jesus, who the hell makes a site without agonizing over the front page? Has the value of a first impression somehow slipped from human memory? Am I a time lord? This is not my beautiful house... this really is some rinky dink loving operation, god drat and don't feel bad, this is the critical process at its best, that they're just some defensive kids who don't know what they're doing isn't relevant, it's the thing that matters, and their thing is a bad video platform
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Extra Jimquisition this week, on Take 2 trying to shut down modders for GTA. Also Konami is poo poo.
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I have a weirdo alt-right Trump Nazi guy as one of my subscribers on YouTube and I checked his channel out just for pure bile fascination, and among his incredibly lovely videos of him picking protracted fights with randos who made him mad on Steam, jerking off Russia super hard (...because that's a thing Trump die hards do now?), and proudly proclaiming to be an autistic incel, was a video called "YouTube Is Dead, VidMe Is The Future." This was literally the first time I'd ever heard of VidMe, from some weirdo internet failure's "gently caress you, YouTube, I'm leaving and never coming back" video. So again out of bile curiosity I checked out VidMe's front page, and much like Dan I was utterly unimpressed. In fact I kinda just chuckled and quickly closed the tab it was on. It looks like such sloppy garbage. Like, say what you want about YouTube's interface and how they can't decide if they want to stick with their current one or their "new" one they keep trying to roll out and then walk back, at least it did not make me want to run screaming for the hills. To say nothing about VidMe's lackluster content. I scrolled through their "Trending" page for a solid minute in the middle of writing this post and it was just endless trash. Anyway, inspired by Dan's video I went back and checked on my one werido angry Russian Nazi Trumper Incel subscriber and lo and behold his "I'm never posting anything on YouTube again, follow me on VidMe" video has been deleted and he's since uploaded like 10 new videos to YouTube. So basically VidMe can't even maintain the patronage of the people it was custom built to cater to... 
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nine-gear crow posted:(...because that's a thing Trump die hards do now?) That type's been doing it since around like mid-Obama, starting back then with their weirdly homoerotic obsessions with a STRONG, MANLY LEADER, like that HUNKY BEEFCAKE PUTIN. But also yeah VidMe looks pretty terrible.
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Idly, I wonder how sustainable it would be to make part of your contract to skim off "channel-related income" in a tiered sense. Sort of a income tax for the channel host, like for the first (numbers are hilariously arbitrary) 10,000 views per channel per month you pay nothing, then up to 50k you pay a x% royalty off money you make off the channel (Patreon, ad, or otherwise), then up to 100k pay a little higher percentage etc. This theoretically eases over (but doesn't totally solve) some of the natural issues with creator-adversarial relationships by naturally wanting your creators to get more popular, whatever their chosen means of income is, instead of shackling you purely to advertisers. It also means the users who are probably using the most storage and bandwidth are paying the most which sooooorta happens with advertising, but not in as explicit of a way. (This has a lot of problems, for instance it incentivizes splitting single channels into small networks of channels that don't exceed certain view counts. It needs heavy massaging, it's hard to enforce if someone deliberately hides their Patreon or whatever, and there's some real fuzziness about what "money you make off the channel" means, but the general idea is more what I'm thinking of here)
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Linear Zoetrope posted:Idly, I wonder how sustainable it would be to make part of your contract to skim off "channel-related income" in a tiered sense. Sort of a income tax for the channel host, like for the first (numbers are hilariously arbitrary) 10,000 views per channel per month you pay nothing, then up to 50k you pay a x% royalty off money you make off the channel (Patreon, ad, or otherwise), then up to 100k pay a little higher percentage etc. This theoretically eases over (but doesn't totally solve) some of the natural issues with creator-adversarial relationships by naturally wanting your creators to get more popular, whatever their chosen means of income is, instead of shackling you purely to advertisers. It also means the users who are probably using the most storage and bandwidth are paying the most which sooooorta happens with advertising, but not in as explicit of a way. The funny thing is that this sooooort of exists, but it goes in the other direction. Your negotiated ad rate, whether it be directly with Google (a deal you can't even negotiate until you're in the tens of millions of subs, or are an entity like Vevo) or through an MCN, is going to skew more and more in your favour as you get popular (and thus gain bargaining power). Rando McTeenagevlogger who signs with Maker is going to get a shafting 60/40 split while I would be amazed if Felix's split was any less than 99/1.
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watho posted:So, how long until Vidme does what every bitcoin exchange does and gets "hacked", losing all of that money? 50/50 between that, or getting all their assets seized by the DoJ for allowing money laundering / illegal trade / some other thing they "didn't think of".
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FoldableHuman posted:DAMMIT LORNE! Sweet music. FoldableHuman posted:Edit: oh, right, I also discovered that their payment system, well, I'll just quote the FAQ Nonono-- it gets even better. That "Email us" you quoted? It's a hyperlink. Not to a special place in your user account where you need to be authenticated or anything. It's a mailto: link. So..... who wants to earn $1.76 by creating AskAGangsta@Hotmail.Com and requesting a cashout?
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Just found this series called Down the Rabbit Hole that tries to give detailed and fair accounts of various subjects. So far I've watched episodes on DarkSydePhil and Star Citizen, but this episode on the Collyer brothers is just so weird and fascinating that I had to post it.
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Hbomberguy could you update your blocklist chrome extension to work on the new YouTube Layout? It's no longer working on the latest update.
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CineFix put out a list of their top ten sci-fi movies ever, and that just made me realize that sometimes I forget that Sci-Fi is actually a really, really broad definition for a genre, though I suppose if you tried basically any genre can be contorted into all sorts of interesting places. Like, where does one draw the line on what is "sci-fi" and what isn't? Is it the technology being used in the film? Or is it the specific subject matter? Regardless they end up with some pretty out there picks. And never once mention Star Wars or Star Trek, which is just... how?
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SatansBestBuddy posted:CineFix put out a list of their top ten sci-fi movies ever, and that just made me realize that sometimes I forget that Sci-Fi is actually a really, really broad definition for a genre, though I suppose if you tried basically any genre can be contorted into all sorts of interesting places. Like, where does one draw the line on what is "sci-fi" and what isn't? Is it the technology being used in the film? Or is it the specific subject matter? Regardless they end up with some pretty out there picks. And never once mention Star Wars or Star Trek, which is just... how? On Metropolis: "...it is bold and beautiful and thematic and political." Yes, that's how i'd describe a movie. "Thematic and political."
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