UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

if it turns out the contractors and council followed all regulations is there anyone criminally responsible?

i assume the people who made it legal can't be held responsible because politicians designing a system where they might be culpable for the consequences of their decisions seems unlikely

# ? Jun 16, 2017 09:46

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 21:45

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

coffeetable posted:

jesus people, stop watching youtube pundits

it's like tv pundits but worse why would you do this

Hbomb is legit funny and spends most of his videos either arguing about videogames or ripping the piss out of neo nazi idiots so I'd watch him if you like either of those things.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 09:50

Not Operator: Jan 1, 2009; Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

OwlFancier posted:

Hbomb is legit funny and spends most of his videos either arguing about videogames or ripping the piss out of neo nazi idiots so I'd watch him if you like either of those things.

He's also a goon, iirc. I remembering watching him let's play STALKER years ago

e: he goes by Habberman now or something maybe?

# ? Jun 16, 2017 09:53

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

XMNN posted:

if it turns out the contractors and council followed all regulations is there anyone criminally responsible?

i assume the people who made it legal can't be held responsible because politicians designing a system where they might be culpable for the consequences of their decisions seems unlikely

I think (and I'm talking entirely out of my arse here) that if it was 1 or 2 or even 10 people this could be slightly swept under the rug by saying that ultimately all the regulations were followed, nobody could have predicted it, etc.

But we're looking at potentially triple digit deaths and people are not going to let it drop without serious changes. Even if it turns out all the regulations were followed to the absolute letter (lol) you've still ended up with dozens or 100+ people dead from a single fire, and those regulations are obviously not strong enough - which then prompts people to ask "why not?" and that's (hopefully) when tory heads start rolling.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 09:55

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

Jose posted:

I posted this last night but it understandably got lost in the news about the fire but its a good read. Its really long mind

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.mx6MyAy4r#.hja7a5aYr

It's fun that after decades of the Cold War and red scares and so on, what's actually allowed Russia to covertly infiltrate the West has been the naked greed of capitalists.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 09:56

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Corrode posted:

It's fun that after decades of the Cold War and red scares and so on, what's actually allowed Russia to covertly infiltrate the West has been the naked greed of capitalists.

It's not infiltration if you invite them in :sun:

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:00

No Dignity: Oct 15, 2007

Not Operator posted:

He's also a goon, iirc. I remembering watching him let's play STALKER years ago

e: he goes by Habberman now or something maybe?

Hbomberguy is still Hbomberguy, you can still see him kicking around CineD occasionally. Shaun of Shaun and Jen is a goon too, though I'm not sure who

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:01

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

i'm still slowly making my way through the article and its really ridiculous

quote:

Walton, the former Scotland Yard counter-terror chief, said the failure by the force�s homicide team to carry out even the most cursory investigation into Young�s death was �really alarming�, and he was �astonished that there weren�t forensics done�. Given Young's fears for his safety and his connections to Berezovsky and other prominent Russians who had died suspiciously, Walton said, �that should have been treated as a suspicious death from the off�.

After Scotland Yard shut down its investigation, four people remained determined to get to the truth. Young�s two daughters, Sasha, then 20, and Scarlet, then 22, found out they had lost their father only when the news broke in the papers two days later, because police had failed to inform them. They felt at once, Sasha said, that he had been murdered. Young had called them both sounding calm and cheerful minutes before his body was found impaled on the railings. They knew about his association with �dangerous people� such as Berezovsky, and he had told them repeatedly that his life was at risk. �We had zero belief that he did this to himself,� said Sasha.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:04

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

communism bitch posted:

I think (and I'm talking entirely out of my arse here) that if it was 1 or 2 or even 10 people this could be slightly swept under the rug by saying that ultimately all the regulations were followed, nobody could have predicted it, etc.

But we're looking at potentially triple digit deaths and people are not going to let it drop without serious changes. Even if it turns out all the regulations were followed to the absolute letter (lol) you've still ended up with dozens or 100+ people dead from a single fire, and those regulations are obviously not strong enough - which then prompts people to ask "why not?" and that's (hopefully) when tory heads start rolling.

oh yeah i expect anyone who can in anyway be connected to signing off on the regulations that said covering a building in firelighters is a fantastic idea will be absolutely hosed in terms of public opinion

just wondering if there's any scope for comeuppance beyond losing their careers and not being able to go out in public anymore

People need to die in prison for this

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:04

haakman: May 5, 2011

Jose posted:

I posted this last night but it understandably got lost in the news about the fire

I read this the other day after you posted it. It's exceptional. Fascinating use of the words 'nuclear terrorism'.

It ain't new though let's be honest. Markov was in 78.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:10

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

https://twitter.com/HenryCPorter/status/875481293345128448

execute this oval office

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:12

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/HenryCPorter/status/875481293345128448

execute this oval office

It's like the Tory party knows they're cartoonishly evil stereotypes and they're doubling down.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:18

bawk: Mar 31, 2013

Yeah HBomberGuy isn't a neonazi incorrectly sourcing things, he's A Good that is wicked smart and also funny and tears down the dudes who build up their great thinker status on a pile of bullshit. Also, strong opinions on media with long form analysis that are equal parts humor and serious dissection

He's the kinda YouTube "pundit" that, if everyone were on his level, I could post that word without scare quotes and not be mocked mercilessly for referring to him as if he's a professional political voice

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:19

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/HenryCPorter/status/875481293345128448

execute this oval office

It's good to know he draws the line at "dangerous toys from China"

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:19

bitmap: Aug 8, 2006

RandomPauI posted:

It's like the Tory party knows they're cartoonishly evil stereotypes and they're doubling down.

to be fair very few people outside this forum really seem to give a gently caress

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:20

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

thecluckmeme posted:

Yeah HBomberGuy isn't a neonazi incorrectly sourcing things, he's A Good that is wicked smart and also funny and tears down the dudes who build up their great thinker status on a pile of bullshit.

He did a pre-election vid that's pretty good fun, go watch it and revel in the miracle of the money birds.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:21

Not Operator: Jan 1, 2009; Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

I was gonna point out that video/article is from December, but I found it hard to articulate why that's any less evil than if he'd said it this morning. Mostly because its not really.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:22

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

thecluckmeme posted:

Yeah HBomberGuy isn't a neonazi incorrectly sourcing things, he's A Good that is wicked smart and also funny and tears down the dudes who build up their great thinker status on a pile of bullshit. Also, strong opinions on media with long form analysis that are equal parts humor and serious dissection

He's the kinda YouTube "pundit" that, if everyone were on his level, I could post that word without scare quotes and not be mocked mercilessly for referring to him as if he's a professional political voice

i started watching one of his videos but 9 minutes is too long for it

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:22

Dance Officer: May 4, 2017; It would be awesome if we could dance!

XMNN posted:

if it turns out the contractors and council followed all regulations is there anyone criminally responsible?

i assume the people who made it legal can't be held responsible because politicians designing a system where they might be culpable for the consequences of their decisions seems unlikely

Yes. If the rules were followed, then something went really wrong despite no one having done wrong(officially, that is). And yes, the politicians who voted the building codes into law(if those require political parliamentary approval, might not be the case), nor the ones who made them can be "held responsible". This is a protection you enjoy as any sort of policymaker to prevent things like petty revanchism.

This also leads into some questions of final accountability, which is very vague in cases like these.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:25

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/...-latest-updates

What an absolute cockwomble.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:27

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

communism bitch posted:

There's one adult crow here hopping around with its foot bend back under its leg like it has a broken ankle or something. The other crows are bringing it food.

Sure it wasn't a rook? Crows aren't gregarious.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:28

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Graun posted:

Survivor Christos Fairbairn has told of how he tripped over bodies after he escaped from the 14th floor. He told the BBC

I could feel myself tripping over in the dark. I was tripping over bodies. On one of the floors I tripped badly and fell, as I looked up I saw the face of a dead man.

I can still picture him now.

As I got to the third or fourth floor I was choking and couldn�t breath. I started to feel faint. I collapsed and that�s when I felt a firefighter grab me.

I went to hospital and was treated for smoke inhalation. I had so much poison in my lungs. I was crying and having flashbacks.

Now I am left with nothing and have nowhere to live. But the council have paid for a room for me in Earl�s Court in London where I am staying now.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:32

SA_Avenger: Oct 22, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

But then there's the massive relief efforts by strangers which is massively uplifting and just leaves me feeling a little more positive. Ordinary people doing what they can with what they have.

It doesn't override the tragedy and the needlessness of it all, and it doesn't subside the righteous fury at the way everyone in Grenfell Tower were let down by the council, the government, and property speculators, among other bastards.

Getting together as a community tp get things done is the reason why governments exists...so it's actually depressing that people have to rebuild a government mockup from the ground up. Viewed from afar the absence of government action to do the relief effort is scary because it's probably the same state in every western countries. All the good things have been gutted for profit or sold to the private for a few pounds.

jabby posted:

Newsnight reports that Grenfell tower could have been totally fitted with sprinkers for �200,000. The cladding cost over �2 million.

The leader of Kensington council says fitting sprinklers would have made the renovation take longer.

Heard a former resident say that there was sprinklers like 20 years ago but not sure if true.

SA_Avenger fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Jun 16, 2017

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:33

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

i watched a crow catch and kill a little bird and then while it was eating a bit of it another crow stole the corpse when i was at the gym recently

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:33

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Oh dear me posted:

Sure it wasn't a rook? Crows aren't gregarious.

I wish it was a rook, we could use more socialism in parliament.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:34

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Mugsbaloney posted:

Highly recommended- any idea why don't we want to get into an international diplomatic slapfight with Russia? What's on the line exactly? At this rate we arent going to have any oligarchs left and then where will we be...

harbouring Russian dissidents and/or dissident oligarchs and/or dissident terrorists became a way to apply diplomatic pressure on Russia on the cheap in the 2000s - the foreign office has found Britain's relatively liberal laws on political refugeeship to be a convenient tool, and dissidents have played along by emphasising their risk of persecution for various respectable causes (civil rights, LGBT issues, persecuted ethnic minorities who may or may not actually be persecutory ethnic ultranationalists, etc)

(you know fully well that if laws on not extraditing people to countries where they may be ungently treated were ever relaxed, the first people to go would not be Russian purged oligarchs with more lawyers than most people have fingers)

this harbouring does not extend to actually wanting to interpose Britain between Russia and its dissidents, some of whom are really questionable in their suffering in a "it's too bad they can't both lose" way

part of the noise about litivenko was all the other people endangered by a trail of polonium halfway across London, people who are decidedly not former FSB officers. I guess a clean assassination does not qualify for similar concern though.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:36

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

Jose posted:

i watched a crow catch and kill a little bird and then while it was eating a bit of it another crow stole the corpse when i was at the gym recently

Crows, like cats, are natural Tories

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:37

WeAreTheRomans: Feb 23, 2010; by R. Guyovich

Jose posted:

i watched a crow catch and kill a little bird and then while it was eating a bit of it another crow stole the corpse when i was at the gym recently

Reads like the crow waited for you to go to the gym before doing the thing. In which case they're even smarter than I thought

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:40

MrNemo: Aug 26, 2010; "I just love beeting off"

Dance Officer posted:

Yes. If the rules were followed, then something went really wrong despite no one having done wrong(officially, that is). And yes, the politicians who voted the building codes into law(if those require political parliamentary approval, might not be the case), nor the ones who made them can be "held responsible". This is a protection you enjoy as any sort of policymaker to prevent things like petty revanchism.

This also leads into some questions of final accountability, which is very vague in cases like these.

Speaking to someone who works on building compliance, there was no fire safety system nor was it required as it hadn't been when the building was constructed. If the management had put an alarm system in they'd be required to ensure it was working but if they don't put one in that's fine too. The cladding was permitted but if it was flammable (obviously it was) they were required to have a fire break every 4 floors to prevent exactly what happened. It was recently added so I'm guessing that regulation does apply, in which case they may well be hosed.

Also learned one of my friend's co-workers was on the 21st floor. He got out more or less ok but his two daughters are in a coma and his wife, who was 7 months, is no longer pregnant :smith:

On a Corbyn note, I know of a few Labour supporters who are virulently anti-Corbyn on the grounds that he's a raging anti-semite as he has shared platforms with anti-semites (Hamas for me is a borderline as some of their members and speakers certainly are even if I don't think their current stated goals are anti-semitic rather than anti-Israeli) and his leadership has encouraged an atmosphere where antisemitism on the left is emboldened. The evidence I've seen of this has largely been super lefties attacking Blairite types using antisemitic tropes and some outright anti-semitism. Are there any actually decent write ups on this? Like looking at whether Momentum has led to an upswing in antisemitic attacks rather than it being focused on because that wing of the party has more power now? Ultimately I think it comes down, 90%, to his stance on Israel. If he was a proud Zionist I don't think he'd be getting any of this flak even if his opinion on Judaism and racism were identical but I would like to see something actually looking at all the evidence (because I'm a lazy gently caress and that's what journalists are meant to be for).

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:43

CottonWolf: Jul 20, 2012; Good ideas generator

Corrode posted:

Crows, like cats, are natural Tories

As cats are the best animals, this cannot be true.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:44

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Oh dear me posted:

Sure it wasn't a rook? Crows aren't gregarious.

crows can be plenty friendly to each other, especially when there's plenty to go around they will happily share space in reasonably large groups

they also efficiently hunt and eat rats which was fairly brutal to see the first time

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:45

Broken Cog: Dec 29, 2009; We're all friends here

Dance Officer posted:

Yes. If the rules were followed, then something went really wrong despite no one having done wrong(officially, that is). And yes, the politicians who voted the building codes into law(if those require political parliamentary approval, might not be the case), nor the ones who made them can be "held responsible". This is a protection you enjoy as any sort of policymaker to prevent things like petty revanchism.

This also leads into some questions of final accountability, which is very vague in cases like these.

If this indeed turns out to be the case, I hope it gets plastered on every street corner in London so people don't forget it for a long time.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:46

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Apparently the 'prime minister' couldn't talk to the survivors and families because of security concerns. Wouldn't want anyone important to be unsafe, would we?

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:47

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

CottonWolf posted:

As cats are the best animals, this cannot be true.

Good lord I knew that educational standards had slipped over the years but I've never seen someone manage to misspell "dogs" so badly.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:48

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

CottonWolf posted:

As cats are the best animals, this cannot be true.

Cats are individualistic predators who only co-operate to rip apart smaller, weaker animals. They are the Tories of the animal world.

I love my kitten no less for this, but I wouldn't put him in charge of the country.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:48

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Tsaedje posted:

Apparently the 'prime minister' couldn't talk to the survivors and families because of security concerns. Wouldn't want anyone important to be unsafe, would we?

You know we've all assumed it's because it would make the Prime Minister unsafe, but maybe it's because she'd become too enticed by the smell of their grief and would eat them all to sustain herself.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:51