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Both Corrin and Corrine didn't seem to think their choices were wrong, so they don't really deserve redemption imo
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Rangpur posted:At this point you ought to just throw together the most ridiculous-looking Corrin(e) the character-creator will let you generate. Whatever the other merits of the game, there's no dignity to the story worth preserving. Seconding this
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 17:18 |
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not to mention generic Corrin(e) looks pretty borin'
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 17:22 |
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I think you should name your MU Kamui and make them look as cool as you possibly can.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 17:24 |
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Corrine is the one hanging out with Ryoma and Xander in the FE Warriors trailer, to you should stick with her to retain canon. Even if that's not the name she will have in that game. Although, if you wind up with making a new character, make them look as stupid as possible.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 17:50 |
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I just noticed something, in Birthright, Camillia was next in line of succession, but abdicated on the basis she didn't really want to do it and thought Leo would be better at it (which means succession is eldest child), whilst in Conquest, Hinoka notes that Takumi would have been next in line, this means that Nhor is oldest child inherits, regardless of gender, whilst Hoshido is oldest son, unless there are no sons. I'm not quite sure what to make of that... I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 19:55 |
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Stephen9001 posted:I'm not quite sure what to make of that... Japan. More so than any other Fire Emblem I've played or seen played to date, Fates feels like it was made and written from a very Japanese viewpoint, with Hoshido as the very proper faction and Nohr as a bunch of colorful barbarians.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 20:05 |
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Stephen9001 posted:I just noticed something, in Birthright, Camillia was next in line of succession, but abdicated on the basis she didn't really want to do it and thought Leo would be better at it (which means succession is eldest child), whilst in Conquest, Hinoka notes that Takumi would have been next in line, this means that Nhor is oldest child inherits, regardless of gender, whilst Hoshido is oldest son, unless there are no sons. There are plenty of different types of succession laws out there. Nohr is following cognatic succession, meaning that the eldest child regardless of gender inherits. Hoshido is following agnatic-cognatic succession, meaning that unless there is no male heir, females are not in the line of succession. Play Crusader Kings II and you'll learn all about the different types of succession that exist and have that useless knowledge forever!
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 20:05 |
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Hinoka was next in line after Ryoma, she just says in the ending that after Ryoma, she was expecting that she would "pass the honor" on to Takumi because she was never really interested in the throne and Ryoma/Takumi were the born leaders. Seems like it would have been the same situation as Camilla.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 20:24 |
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Gravity Cant Apple posted:There are plenty of different types of succession laws out there. Well clearly one of the succession laws is cheating if they're not the same for everyone
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U-DO Burger posted:Both Corrin and Corrine didn't seem to think their choices were wrong, so they don't really deserve redemption imo Yeah can we have like, Chris or Robin fall in from an extra-dimensional portal and try to salvage this whole thing?
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 21:09 |
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Nah lets just have the ongoing adventure of plot so that we can watch the main cast ceaslessly praise the plot while we call retarded plot like we see it.
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Um are all the latest posts images not loading for anyone else? okay scratch that none of the images form Tea appear to be loading at all. cokerpilot fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Aesclepia posted:CptWedgie, you seem really mad about the definition of 'cheating' in FireEmblem, which could be semantic or opinion, depending on where you stand. Maybe you should take a break? I feel that the definition of "cheating" I'm using (anything a player cannot accomplish during normal play) is completely, 100% objective. The guys who keep using double standards are the ones who're being subjective. Basically: There is no "semantic or opinion" when I am objectively right. The easiest way to get me to shut up about this is to admit that, yes, the computer cheats; whether that cheating is forgivable is a completely different question and is, indeed, a matter of opinion, unlike the question of "is this thing cheating?" (the answer to which is a resounding "yes"). RevolverDivider posted:oh man, Bowser is such cheating in Mario. I can't jump on him! At least Bowser has precedent (Spinies, fireballs, and so on). And an in-universe explanation (that shell of his has spikes, so it'd probably hurt to jump on it). FoolyCharged posted:...the computer rather openly isnt playing the same game as you... This is objectively cheating. There is no getting around this fact. You guys just refuse to admit that the computer not playing fair is cheating (or perhaps even that the computer is CAPABLE of cheating). I mean, if someone walks into a soccer game and starts treating it as American football, you'd accuse him of cheating even if he's following the rules of the game HE'S playing perfectly, and you would be completely correct because he's supposed to be playing SOCCER (and I guarantee the referee would call him out on this). Same concept, except you're inexplicably claiming that it's not cheating because computers. Also note that I have specifically stated that while the computer cheats, I will FORGIVE certain cheats in the interest of a more entertaining game (though I neglected to specify what kind of cheating, in part because it varies both depending on the game and the degree to which it cheats). "Redeem Corrine?" Considering how stupid her route was, I feel she's irredeemable.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 03:16 |
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Nah your concept of cheating is really stupid and arbitrary and you're weirdly insufferable about it.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 03:27 |
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CptWedgie posted:I feel that the definition of "cheating" I'm using (anything a player cannot accomplish during normal play) is completely, 100% objective. The guys who keep using double standards are the ones who're being subjective. you are a caricature
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RevolverDivider posted:Nah your concept of cheating is really stupid and arbitrary and you're weirdly insufferable about it. There is nothing stupid or arbitrary about "if I can't do it but the computer can, it's cheating." It's just holding it to the same standards of fairness I, myself, am held to; for the record, if I cheat in a game, I readily admit it (and take steps to ensure my cheating does not contaminate another player's experience, usually by just not playing online; many cheaters are not so restrained, case in point: Anyone in Fates offering Aptitude on a first-generation unit who is not Mozu in their castles... and quite frankly there're a lot of people who do that- more than enough to get it on literally everyone). Lemme put it this way: In Awakening, you could only upgrade your weapons a total of eight levels, with a maximum of five in one stat. The computer regularly exceeded that because it's the computer, especially on higher difficulties. This is obviously cheating. (Maybe a Fire Emblem example will help? Not holding much hope of that, though, considering how you're carrying on...) AriadneThread posted:you are a caricature You are in denial. So much so, in fact, that you may not even realize that you are. If a player did any of the things the computer regularly does to keep up with the player (such as showing up as the same kind of Sorcerer that Iago is, complete with Staff Savant), you would rightly accuse him of cheating; literally the only difference is that it's the COMPUTER doing it... but you guys're insisting that this alone makes it completely okay and not cheating? THIS is why I'm accusing you guys of holding a double standard.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 04:28 |
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By your definition of cheating, what games with an AI opponent *don't* cheat? Chess and Advance Wars? And I'm not sure about the latter, Days of Ruin definitely breaks it with having reinforcements spawn in cinematically rather than always built.
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cokerpilot posted:Um are all the latest posts images not loading for anyone else? LPix is down right now. baldurk didn't renew the security certificate for it yet.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 04:48 |
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CptWedgie posted:There is nothing stupid or arbitrary about "if I can't do it but the computer can, it's cheating." Well I mean, outside of the fact that this definition means that the ai getting a fresh wave of generic mooks every map instead of a group with perma death and limited resources that would be emptied after a few missions is considered cheating under that definition and not a core function of how the game works and it's ruleset. Or how if you invert the rule, the player is a dirty cheater for having units that actually gain experience and get stronger! The gall of it all! Just because your definition is objective doesn't mean that it's good.
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Bruceski posted:By your definition of cheating, what games with an AI opponent *don't* cheat? Chess and Advance Wars? And I'm not sure about the latter, Days of Ruin definitely breaks it with having reinforcements spawn in cinematically rather than always built. Nah because even then one player gets to make their first move after gaining insight into what their opponent is doing. Or go first and get potentially 1 more turn of actions. His rules for cheating objectively label every act in a game be it a sport, board, video, whatever as cheating.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:02 |
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jesus christ wedgie how are you so bad at posting
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:03 |
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CptWedgie posted:
i hadn't read a single word you typed until that post i quoted, my living strawman friend anyway i can't imagine how revelations is going to top conquest in bad writing, but i have confidence in this game
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CptWedgie posted:Not saying it doesn't need to give itself an advantage to compete with the average human player, just that that doesn't make said advantage not cheating. is your name cptwedgie because you make everyone within a 100 mile radius want to give you one
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AriadneThread posted:i hadn't read a single word you typed until that post i quoted, my living strawman friend Revelations was so bad that I never finished it, and I've beaten Conquest four times.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:31 |
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and seriously, every enemy in every video game ever made 'cheats.' they're a computer. they do things the player can't do. goombas in super mario brothers can go backwards the way they came, something mario can't do. who the hell cares. seriously, you post like someone who thinks he's incredibly intelligent but these are some of the dumbest points ive ever seen. more words doesn't make your point more valid. read a book.
Endorph fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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This guy makes me look like the Guinness Book of World Record's World's Best Poster, and considering how crappy I am, that's saying something.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:38 |
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U-DO Burger posted:jesus christ wedgie how are you so bad at posting Literally the only bad things I see about my posts (or at least the ones you're likely complaining about right now, specifically my "games cheat" posts) are that I'm getting obviously angry in them, and perhaps being too confrontational about the subject (the "you're in denial" comment, in particular, probably being the worst offense due to being a personal attack on another person in the discussion; the "double standard" statements, though, are definitely true, and nobody has denied them). I have yet to see a single reason to change my position on this issue, let alone a convincing one; the only thing I have seen is an audience that is actively hostile to the very idea that game devs do anything unfair, in spite of the evidence to the contrary I have presented AND a few of them even giving examples of their own. And yes, enemy reinforcements are, indeed, a form of cheating, albeit one I forgive if not taken too far ("too far" being infinitely-spawning enemies that the player can't kill before the next wave at the expected level and are required to be killed to complete the map). As for enemy units not gaining experience... well, best explanation for that is that it's not taking advantage of all the rules the player benefits from in order to offer a consistent challenge. (Yes, I know, that's just a fancy way of saying "the game gives the player a handicap.") AriadneThread posted:i hadn't read a single word you typed until that post i quoted, my living strawman friend And thus you have confirmed that you have no idea what I'm even talking about, and thus have no right to call me a "strawman." After all, strawmen rarely, if ever, present actual, concrete evidence that actually supports their stances; I, on the other hand, have repeatedly listed specific ways that games DO NOT OBEY the same rules that players do, and called them out as the cheating they are. I would've accepted "self-righteous" without complaint (after all, I am the guy who's been refusing to back down until you admit the game's cheating, and often ranting on the subject- yes, I'm mature enough to admit that I'm ranting); calling me a "caricature" or a "strawman," on the other hand, is pretty inaccurate when I have both an actual, legitimate point and actual evidence. Endorph posted:and seriously, every enemy in every video game ever made 'cheats.' they're a computer. they do things the player can't do. goombas in super mario brothers can go backwards the way they came, something mario can't do. who the hell cares. Finally! ONE of you admits that games cheat! (I could've done without the personal attack from the edit, though... completely uncalled for.) Since I have finally gotten the concession I have been aiming for from the beginning, I will shut up about this. (I should probably apologize for starting an argument, but you guys were dicks.)
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:45 |
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stop posting like an angsty teenager asshat wordcount per post does not make you more interesting or intelligent, just tirelessly annoying How Rude fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Cythereal posted:Japan. More so than any other Fire Emblem I've played or seen played to date, Fates feels like it was made and written from a very Japanese viewpoint, with Hoshido as the very proper faction and Nohr as a bunch of colorful barbarians. edit: after reading whatever the hell he just posted, i change my mind i'll make this super clear: nobody is saying that video games don't cheat. they're saying nobody cares.
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CptWedgie posted:Literally the only bad things I see about my posts (or at least the ones you're likely complaining about right now, specifically my "games cheat" posts) are that I'm getting obviously angry in them, and perhaps being too confrontational about the subject (the "you're in denial" comment, in particular, probably being the worst offense due to being a personal attack on another person in the discussion; the "double standard" statements, though, are definitely true, and nobody has denied them). I have yet to see a single reason to change my position on this issue, let alone a convincing one; the only thing I have seen is an audience that is actively hostile to the very idea that game devs do anything unfair, in spite of the evidence to the contrary I have presented AND a few of them even giving examples of their own. for the sake of everyone especially yourself please stop posting in this thread. I have a whole new realm of appreciation for Junpei's posting now.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:48 |
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RevolverDivider posted:for the sake of everyone especially yourself please stop posting in this thread. I have a whole new realm of appreciation for Junpei's posting now. Aw, thanks!
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 05:51 |
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Why does it matter if the computer cheats? It's not like this is Mario Kart Wii where it was handled really poorly, and made the experience actively miserable.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 06:07 |
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Your posts are bad because you treat this thread like a super serious debate instead of just a place where nerds can have fun shootin' the breeze about a video game series they like
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 06:16 |
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Dr. Fetus posted:Why does it matter if the computer cheats? It's not like this is Mario Kart Wii where it was handled really poorly, and made the experience actively miserable. Exactly, I don't even understand how a single player RPG can "cheat" unless it's actively creating an unwinnable situation for the player. It's not like the computer gets any satisfaction from causing a game over. The game presents a puzzle and gives you the tools to solve it. It doesn't matter if the tools it gave you to solve the puzzle aren't the same ones it used to make it.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 06:19 |
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U-DO Burger posted:Your posts are bad because you treat this thread like a super serious debate instead of just a place where nerds can have fun shootin' the breeze about a video game series they like Okay, yeah, I'll admit I do that. Already have, really, by calling myself self-righteous. To be fair, though, I was not the only one escalating things. However, I have already agreed to drop the subject, so let's just treat that argument as finished and be done with it, okay? I certainly will.
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dude789 posted:Exactly, I don't even understand how a single player RPG can "cheat" unless it's actively creating an unwinnable situation for the player. It's not like the computer gets any satisfaction from causing a game over. The game presents a puzzle and gives you the tools to solve it. It doesn't matter if the tools it gave you to solve the puzzle aren't the same ones it used to make it. Thank you for articulating this better than I could! And I voted for a new female My Unit, and fully agree with super ridiculous. Some of the facial expressions look so unamused witheverything; Tae should combine that with wild hair in a clashing color.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 09:42 |
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I don't remember birtright Corrin being particularly dumb or awful, neither in revelation. Some other characters very much so but we'll get to that.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 10:11 |
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Birthright Corrin(e)'s main problem is that he or she is trapped in the most generic 'us good, them bad' scenario possible. The fact that they're permitted to kill the enemy because Hoshido is the righteous kingdom is an interesting but almost certainly unintended theme, and it's the only wrinkle in the story.
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BlackPersona posted:Goku, and use the appropriate hairstyle. This for Revelation Corrin
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