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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Tesseraction posted:So now it's a test case for social media vs. corporate media. seems orthogonal to the biases here - people who hate the EU will share the EU theory, people who don't won't, and Facebook will cheerfully help the twain never meet
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There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure.
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ronya posted:seems orthogonal to the biases here - people who hate the EU will share the EU theory, people who don't won't, and Facebook will cheerfully help the twain never meet I'm not so sure. Will have to see how it plays out. Helps that even the Torygraph admits that Berlin bans that shite so it can't be EU-related.
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Total Meatlove posted:There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure. No way. They cannot be this loving stupid.
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Total Meatlove posted:There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure. loving hell. Those notices never last though.
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Jun 16, 2017 13:35
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RandomPauI posted:Nah, in the States the levels of government (local, state, federal, tribal, territories), their agencies, and select nonprofits are legally mandated to plan this poo poo out ahead of time. Its all apart of the National Incident Management System. The NIMS is actually one of the few accomplishments of the George W. Bush administration. They haven't reacted to trump yet, not sure your argument is valid /s
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communism bitch posted:They cannot be this loving stupid. Surely you'll have gotten sick of saying that about the government over the past 365 days?
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Jun 16, 2017 13:36
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Total Meatlove posted:There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure. Could you still talk about estimates if that was true? Because everyone's hoping it's less than 100 now. If it is true then loving hell we've entered the Transmetropolitan timeline.
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ookiimarukochan posted:Surely you'll have gotten sick of saying that about the government over the past 365 days?
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communism bitch posted:This is so far beyond the run of the mill tory stupidity though. There's "stupid" and then there's "effectively trying to make the casualty figures a state secret". I mean holy gently caress. Yeah that changes the story from "government embarrassed they didn't do more" to "government believes it may be actively complicit in deaths of over a hundred people"
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Jun 16, 2017 13:42
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VideoGames posted:Why would it be Sadiq Khan's fault?
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Jun 16, 2017 13:44
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/at-least-30-dead-in-grenfell-tower-fire-say-police Triple-digits (probably) confirmed
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Jun 16, 2017 13:46
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Total Meatlove posted:There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure. From where? I'd guess this is just speculation from their reticence to announce an expected number.
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Jun 16, 2017 13:47
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quote:London Mayor Sadiq Khan has written to the prime minister urging her to do more to help provide information to the families of the victims. Notably they are using terrorist-attack protocols, which is slowing the system down.
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Jun 16, 2017 13:47
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Total Meatlove posted:There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure. That's not how D notices work.
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Jun 16, 2017 13:48
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Total Meatlove posted:There's claims that the government have slapped a D-notice on the final death toll figure. alternatively: they don't want to go telling people their relatives are dead in case some of those relatives are not actually dead
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Jun 16, 2017 13:53
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I wonder if the Queen rocked up with minimal security as a sly dig at Theresa May's excuses for staying away. I can't imagine May is particularly popular with Brenda right now.
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Jun 16, 2017 13:54
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Rakosi posted:I never really understood the "stay in your flat" advice for high rise buildings. Of course, it's better than going out into the corridor and falling unconscious from smoke inhalation, but even on the 4th story of my block, if the whole corridor outside is on fire then sure the fire brigade might arrive within a few minutes but they're not going to be standing outside my door in an extinguished corridor within the time that my 30-minute rated front door keeps the fire outside my flat. if there is fire in one or two flats, it's easier for emergency services to move around, they are supposed to be able to contain the fire within the hour. Assuming it doesn't spread to all other flats through the outside of the building and the heat gets so bad that they can't go up. I suppose as well that some have been told that over the phone so that they would not despair until death arrives. Read about the guy who was on the phone on his wife, the fireman took the phone told her they were going to get her, then told the husband to say farewell. edit: was his sister not his wife but link a few posts below a pipe smoking dog posted:I don't think the response time is an issue, the problem is that the fire fighters had to work for 14 hours straight because there was no one else to replace them. Also if they want support to cope with what they saw they'll have to go to Paddington. SA_Avenger fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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SA_Avenger posted:if there is fire in one or two flats, it's easier for emergency services to move around, they are supposed to be able to contain the fire within the hour. Assuming it doesn't spread to all other flats through the outside of the building and the heat gets so bad that they can't go up. I suppose as well that some have been told that over the phone so that they would not despair until death arrives. Read about the guy who was on the phone on his wife, the fireman took the phone told her they were going to get her, then told the husband to say farewell. Jesus Christ. Where was that story? Do you have a link?
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Jun 16, 2017 13:57
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That's not how D notices work. I've been meaning to call you out for a while, and I guess now is as good a time as any. You've got a stupid habit of sweeping into the thread and just flat out telling people they're wrong about this or that in a very declarative way that suggests you know what you're talking about. But I've seen (and I think all of us regulars have seen) a few times in the last few months where people have pulled you up and pointed out that quite often you don't know wtf you're talking about. So how about in future, when you think somebody is wrong about something, you say why and provide something that backs up your statements, because it looks like you're trying to ride along on an aura of expertise that has been shot full of holes a few times in the last year or so. And just so we're clear, I'm not saying you're wrong now, but your record is unreliable enough fr me to bring it up.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Cladding for Grenfell Tower was cheaper, more flammable option, supplier confirms I want to note that the flame resistant panels would have burned as well, just with delay and/or slower. There's a lot being said about these panels in the thread and the news right now, but we don't know how important they were for spreading the fire and how much of a difference more flame resistant material would make. I agree that the American and German building codes banning the stuff under certain conditions is pretty suspect, but it's circumstantial proof. We should wait with putting blame until the first forensic reports are in.
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PiCroft posted:Jesus Christ. Where was that story? Do you have a link? Watched so many things/interviews the last few days that I honestly don't know, a link on twitter but if I can find it again I'll post. edit: Goon below got the right story with link edit2: lost of harrowing stories tbh, between the woman throwing her kid (not the baby which got caught, they did find 6 bodies outside of the building) out of the window, the one on facebook opening the door to let people in, the one on the phone who said she could not stand on the floor because it was so hot, others calling out from windows hoping to be rescued. It was loving hell to watch from afar after the fact, I do not know how the people who had to witness it first hand are going to cope with it SA_Avenger fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 14:00
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PiCroft posted:Jesus Christ. Where was that story? Do you have a link? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/firefighter-gave-phone-told-say-10631419 
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Jun 16, 2017 14:00
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Dance Officer posted:I want to note that the flame resistant panels would have burned as well, just with delay and/or slower. There's a lot being said about these panels in the thread and the news right now, but we don't know how important they were for spreading the fire and how much of a difference more flame resistant material would make. I agree that the American and German building codes banning the stuff under certain conditions is pretty suspect, but it's circumstantial proof. the panels were on loving fire all over the outside of the building and the fire spread really loving quick, over the outside of the building
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Jun 16, 2017 14:01
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Lol all these people going "we must wait for the official enquiry to report" when you can loving see the fire spreading through the cladding like it's made from dry sawdust.
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communism bitch posted:I've been meaning to call you out for a while, and I guess now is as good a time as any. He's right. DSMA notices aren't like injunctions that are issued for individual incidents or information. They're a set of standing voluntary guidelines for the media which outline the circumstances in which classified information should not be relayed to the public. When necessary, the DSMA committee may contact editors to alert them that certain information falls under the existing notices. I really can't see how it would be justified for the death toll to fall under the existing notices and am sceptical that editors would choose to comply if they were asked not to publish it on that basis. More info: http://www.dsma.uk/index.htm
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Obliterati posted:This seems like a great time to mention that this guy, who we had to throw out our Hearts of Iron group for being a Nazi oval office, refused to play anyone but Nazi Germany You seem to have hit your head - I hope the 350m per week that are now going to the NHS will allow them to help you. Next time you want to make some unfounded accusation (I get that this is a British thing, looking at your papers) you should make sure that they can't be refuted this easily - guess who never wanted to play Germany https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3773305&userid=176812 GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 14:07
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just find a safe labour seat to move all the angry people into and the strong and stable tories will ride this one out no problem off we go
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GaussianCopula posted:You seem to have hit your head - I hope the 350m per week that are now going to the NHS per week will allow them to help you. Get the gently caress out or if you are going to stay, do so in a burning building.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:08
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Pistol_Pete posted:Lol all these people going "we must wait for the official enquiry to report" when you can loving see the fire spreading through the cladding like it's made from dry sawdust. 1kg of polyeythlene apparently has the same energy as 1kg petrol so once it starts burning its going up something fierce helped by all the aluminium
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Jose posted:1kg of polyeythlene apparently has the same energy as 1kg petrol so once it starts burning its going up something fierce helped by all the aluminium I mean it set the whole side of the building on fire within 15 minutes. If that's not responsible then I'd like to know what magical item inside the building was really responsible.
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Tesseraction posted:Get the gently caress out or if you are going to stay, do so in a burning building. Sorry but in Germany it's forbidden to wrap buildings in flammable materials.
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GaussianCopula posted:Sorry but in Germany it's forbidden to wrap buildings in flammable materials. it's also forbidden to be a Nazi but you managed that
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Tesseraction posted:Get the gently caress out or if you are going to stay, do so in a burning building. 
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Jun 16, 2017 14:13
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Over 1,800 people now saying they will attend the rally tonight. There is almost certainly more anger on the streets than at any time since the 2011 riots.
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All Hail VideoGames (the mod) Also all Hail Video Games (the pasttime)
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