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wandler20 posted:https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/875763901580926977 Andrus Peat, your time to shine as a tackle. Or plug in the rookie we just drafted to take Streif's place. drat these stupid injuries.
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fsif posted:The Ringer has a piece up about how tanking might gently caress up the NFL: https://theringer.com/nfl-tanking-nightmare-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-competitive-balance-6c9f3937811b Tanking as a boogeyman seems silly in the NFL. In the 2000's, you've got an argument for: Luck, Cam, Stafford, Eli, Palmer and Vick being worth a tank job so far (and let's add Winston, because why not?), and none of those teams won a Superbowl and only the Panthers have been to one. Teams that just built their team through a couple of good drafts and midrounded or scrapheaped a QB recently seem to be as successful (Seahawks, Raiders, Bengals, Cardinals, Bills, Washington, (and Dak if you want to be cute)). What they're calling tanking just seems to be shedding the problem contracts of bad GM work. Who were the Browns supposed to keep last year to make them not one of the worst 5 teams in football? Would the Jets with Marshall and Decker and David Harris not be in the mix for the #1 pick?
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Jun 16, 2017 21:52
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Kalli posted:Would the Jets with Marshall and Decker and David Harris not be in the mix for the #1 pick? Eh.. probably not??
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Eh.. probably not?? They went 5-11 last year and are starting McCown or Hackenberg while also fielding what was one of the worst defenses in football last year with Harris.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:01
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Kalli posted:In the 2000's, you've got an argument for: Luck, Cam, Stafford, Eli, Palmer and Vick being worth a tank job so far (and let's add Winston, because why not?), and none of those teams won a Superbowl and only the Panthers have been to one. What timeline is this?
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Kalli posted:They went 5-11 last year and are starting McCown or Hackenberg while also fielding what was one of the worst defenses in football last year with Harris. By rights that defense should be ok or at the very least below average instead of what they were. I don't think I've ever seen a team quit as badly as the Jets did last year and I cannot believe Todd Bowles wasn't fired for it.
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Caf posted:What timeline is this? The timeline that the chargers drafted Eli then traded him for rivers
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Caf posted:What timeline is this? The Chargers drafted Eli and have not won a superbowl
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Kalli posted:They went 5-11 last year and are starting McCown or Hackenberg while also fielding what was one of the worst defenses in football last year with Harris. Cutting Revis is addition by subtraction, though, and they also added the No Fly Zone! They just had a 10-win season with Fitzpatrick at the helm. I think they went from like a 5% chance at #1 to something closer to 50%.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:07
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Yeah they cut/let walk everyone with talent Richardson deserves better
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Metapod posted:The timeline that the chargers drafted Eli then traded him for rivers Ah, right. I honestly forgot that happened.
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Imagine if that trade never happens and Rivers is a 5 time superbowl champion with the Steelers
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But like, the efficacy of tanking is kind of incidental to the argument. As long as more teams start to think that tanking is better than finishing 6–10, it's at least somewhat plausible that we could have four or five teams stripping their rosters of assets each offseason and end up with less competitive games. It could create a situation where wildcard berths are even more disproportionately determined by season schedules.
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Grittybeard posted:By rights that defense should be ok or at the very least below average instead of what they were. I don't think I've ever seen a team quit as badly as the Jets did last year and I cannot believe Todd Bowles wasn't fired for it. That's what I don't get. They're burning the roster to the ground now, starting in year 3 of Todd Bowles. So next year they draft the QB and the rest of the roster still sucks and then... draft great again and are approaching good in year 5? That's best case scenario and when's the last time a coach got to 5 years after 3 as bad as they're in the middle of now happening? If they fire Bowles next year, are they just making him coach this year because they couldn't even start the rebuild yet and he's a dead man walking?
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fsif posted:But like, the efficacy of tanking is kind of incidental to the argument. As long as more teams start to think that tanking is better than finishing 6–10, it's at least somewhat plausible that we could have four or five teams stripping their rosters of assets each offseason and end up with less competitive games. Yeah, I just don't think there's an argument that the draft pick difference matters at all unless there's an Andrew Luck coming
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Reggie Bush and Von Miller won Super Bowls for the teams that drafted them. Tank until you're the second-worst team in the league.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Yeah they cut/let walk everyone with talent
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a neat cape posted:Imagine if that trade never happens and Rivers is a 5 time superbowl champion with the Steelers Cowher preferred Rivers to any QB in that draft, once Rivers was gone The Jaw wanted an o-lineman over Ben. Dan Rooney had to step in
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fsif posted:But like, the efficacy of tanking is kind of incidental to the argument. As long as more teams start to think that tanking is better than finishing 6–10, it's at least somewhat plausible that we could have four or five teams stripping their rosters of assets each offseason and end up with less competitive games. I don't think teams will ever believe that in football. Most draft boards are tiered anyway. It's not like there is normally that big a difference between top picks. You usually see that players have a round-based grade. Also, the importance of game day reps in player development is huge. You need your young talent to get meaningful reps if you want to be competitive. Even if the current year is a loss.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Cowher preferred Rivers to any QB in that draft, once Rivers was gone The Jaw wanted an o-lineman over Ben. Dan Rooney had to step in As good as Ben is, I do think the Steelers still would've won the title in 05 if Rivers fell to them. Good o-line, solid run game, and a fantastic defense the likes of which Rivers never has enjoyed with the Chargers. 2008's a lot dicier, because that Steeler o-line really sucked and Rivers isn't the kind of dude who could shrug off linebackers like Ben could in his prime.
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Kalli posted:Football outsiders released their defeat numbers for last year: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/2016-defeats Both secondary guys the Texans had on those lists are gone lol Also Brock is still taking potshots at Bill O'Brien which is hilarious. "Last season my fundamentals slipped and that's why I was bad, unlike 2015 and now"
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Sataere posted:I don't think teams will ever believe that in football. Most draft boards are tiered anyway. It's not like there is normally that big a difference between top picks. You usually see that players have a round-based grade. I agree most draft boards are tiers rather than explicit ordinal rankings. But still, tanking increases your chances of getting higher draft capital. How the team chooses to use that is besides the point. If I was a GM I'd let the owner know it's going to be a rough start. First year on the job I'd trade everybody over 25 years old for as many picks as I could. Then I'd trade as many of the first year draft picks as I could for future picks. Grab a bunch of high-ceiling late round picks and UDFAs. Then promptly finish bottom 3 in the league. To start year 2 you'd have a bunch of draft capital, huge cap space, and hopefully a few promising young players.
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Doing some quick and dirty calculations, I have come to the conclusion that if he drank only Kombucha of average strength (and if it contains no sodium like google tells me) he would die of hyponatremia before he got to that BAC.
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Durandal1707 posted:As good as Ben is, I do think the Steelers still would've won the title in 05 if Rivers fell to them. Good o-line, solid run game, and a fantastic defense the likes of which Rivers never has enjoyed with the Chargers. Seeing how Ole Grey Dick was absolute poo poo in 05....
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Roethlisberger was ok in 2005, they just didn't ask him to do a lot. Now in 2006 he was flat out bad. He wasn't very good in 2008 either, which is funny because that team was certainly pretty damned good.
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fsif posted:The Ringer has a piece up about how tanking might gently caress up the NFL: https://theringer.com/nfl-tanking-nightmare-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-competitive-balance-6c9f3937811b Like 2 months ago this same writer did a Ringer column on how there's no way to actually tank in the NFL.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Like 2 months ago this same writer did a Ringer column on how there's no way to actually tank in the NFL. That's dumb, hypocritical, and obviously not true? I dislike this author. e: Unless he means like, no Owner/President of Operations would allow that to happen?
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I can kind of see the Colts tanking in 2011. We're they really that bad w/o peyton?
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With a league average QB, no. Curtis Painter/corpse of Kerry Collins were definitely not that. Relevant/I love this quote: Ron Jaworski posted:As we watched, we were surprised to see Manning taking virtually all the reps in the session. Jon [Gruden] asked Tom [Moore, the Colts offensive coordinator,] why he wasn’t giving some snaps to Peyton’s backups…He looked at us both in the eye, paused for a moment, then said in that gravelly voice of his, “Fellas, if ‘18’ goes down, we’re hosed. And we don’t practice hosed.”
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I agree most draft boards are tiers rather than explicit ordinal rankings. But still, tanking increases your chances of getting higher draft capital. How the team chooses to use that is besides the point. The problem with that is when the new GM they bring in two years later gets to capitalize on your plan.  You can do most of that without tanking. I get the seeming value in tearing it down, but trading established pieces for hope in football is a dangerous and unnecessary game. You can churn your roster for depth and just acquire draft picks without tanking, all the while trying to maximize the talent you have.
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FizFashizzle posted:panthers just hired ron turner What's a ron turner precious?
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https://twitter.com/Kaepernick7/status/875832378501074944 https://twitter.com/BZ2448/status/875833858117308416 Colin Kaepernick: famous for keeping his politics out of his NFL career.
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WinnebagoWarrior posted:Looks like this tweet got deleted. What was it? Still up for me, but just in case: @Kaepernick7 A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled! With a picture of a runaway slave patrol badge next to a police officer's badge. brandon zimmerman @BZ2448 @Kaepernick7 funny you aint care about this poo poo when you were in the NFL spot light smh as soon as ya career went downhill you turned activist #fraud
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