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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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What happened to Lemon Drizzle? I want to hear his opinion on this Tory government he voted in.
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Gonzo McFee posted:What happened to Lemon Drizzle? I want to hear his opinion on this Tory government he voted in. He is literally actually Tony Blair and has understandably been keeping a low profile since the election.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:18
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Obliterati posted:It's my own pet theory, but as politicians get ever more reliant on pliant media to do their campaigning for them, ever less competent/personable people can get to the top. Campaigners like May would have gone down in flames fifty years ago, where some degree of talking to unconvinced voters was required. Thatcher, for all her faults, would never have made unforced errors like May/Cameron. Instead you get folk like May, who are really good at the closed-door scheming needed to get handed a safe seat, into the Cabinet, positive media coverage from friendly journos, plunging knives into her colleagues, etc. May has never faced a serious political challenge in her life - this is literally the first time she's had to seriously engage with the electorate. Gonna link this again. The later paragraphs are now very funny, though.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:18
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Raeg posted:gently caress me, she really is just a talking points spewing machine. I can't believe the answer to the lack of support when it was needed the most was that she was going to aim to toss money at it at some point in the future. That clip in isolation makes her look a lot better than the full interview. Imagine the same prepared line - tragedy, I met people, example story, want to support people - delivered multiple times in response to direct questions about responsibility and her own fuckups
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Jun 17, 2017 00:18
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Haha the Mirror are going all-out on "Tories did it" and it's great https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/875841212430921729
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Jun 17, 2017 00:23
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Steve2911 posted:Never seen that Youtuber before but what an insufferable waste of flesh. His sneering voice alone made me want to scratch my ears off. I was seriously struggling to get to the loving point of it but the "OH HMM HMM I WONDER WONDER I DOES" poo poo can 
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Jun 17, 2017 00:24
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Obliterati posted:It's my own pet theory, but as politicians get ever more reliant on pliant media to do their campaigning for them, ever less competent/personable people can get to the top. Campaigners like May would have gone down in flames fifty years ago, where some degree of talking to unconvinced voters was required. Thatcher, for all her faults, would never have made unforced errors like May/Cameron. Instead you get folk like May, who are really good at the closed-door scheming needed to get handed a safe seat, into the Cabinet, positive media coverage from friendly journos, plunging knives into her colleagues, etc. May has never faced a serious political challenge in her life - this is literally the first time she's had to seriously engage with the electorate. I mean on an academic level I understand this, but... I mean... these people lost their lives in their homes. A tragedy with obvious parralels to how the country is run couldn't be easier to find, and instead we have someone having such difficulty to stop making mistakes and almost insulting the people who have suffered, it almost beggars belief.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:25
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Thanks Ants posted:Haha the Mirror are going all-out on "Tories did it" and it's great Amazing - this is another great vid https://www.facebook.com/thedeepleft/videos/649061075299366/
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Jun 17, 2017 00:26
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Steve2911 posted:Never seen that Youtuber before but what an insufferable waste of flesh. His sneering voice alone made me want to scratch my ears off. An actual 17th century jurist posted:The property of subjects is under the eminent domain of the state, so that the state or those who acts for it may use and even alienate and destroy such property, not only in the case of extreme necessity, in which even private persons have a right over the property of others, but for ends of public utility, to which ends those who founded civil society must be supposed to have intended that private ends should give way. But when this is done the state is bound to make good the loss to those who lose their property. Like, there are legit anarchist reasons to be against parts of that statement, but even that auld Calvinist says that in a legit emergency private persons should just batter their way into the empty
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Jun 17, 2017 00:27
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Darth Walrus posted:Gonna link this again. The later paragraphs are now very funny, though. This is a pro click. It does undermine my argument against May a bit, in that she actually ran in campaigns she wasn't guaranteed to win before getting handed her safe seat (jfc, 300 candidates? and I thought the SNP's 2015 hustings were stuffed with chancers): perhaps it's better applied to Cameron and co., but there's still that whole issue where the skills of advancing in the Conservative Party have little to no relation to those needed to actually run a country. Josef bugman posted:I mean on an academic level I understand this, but... I mean... these people lost their lives in their homes. A tragedy with obvious parralels to how the country is run couldn't be easier to find, and instead we have someone having such difficulty to stop making mistakes and almost insulting the people who have suffered, it almost beggars belief. It does become a harder argument for me to advance every goddamn day, though, and sooner or later I'll probably end up in the 'Tories trying to lose' camp.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:29
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Steve2911 posted:Never seen that Youtuber before but what an insufferable waste of flesh. His sneering voice alone made me want to scratch my ears off. this is, in fact, Sargon of Akkad aka Carl of Swindon. I guess he has a new channel now? didn't we used to have a thread for these guys so we could cordon discussing the youtube Tedious Thinkpiece Crowd into one place
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Jun 17, 2017 00:31
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Thanks Ants posted:Haha the Mirror are going all-out on "Tories did it" and it's great Ever since the Mirror decided to get behind Corbyn they really seem to have grown some balls. I mean their front page today was amazing. Accusing the country of turning it's back on social housing and prioritising profit over people's lives is hard-hitting stuff, and it was great to see.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:32
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Weird how it's ok to use compulsory purchase when you want to say widen a motorway (and then maybe not even do it anyway) but not when its empty houses owned by rich people so disaster victims have a place to live
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Jun 17, 2017 00:33
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Angepain posted:this is, in fact, Sargon of Akkad aka Carl of Swindon. I guess he has a new channel now? didn't we used to have a thread for these guys so we could cordon discussing the youtube Tedious Thinkpiece Crowd into one place As a matter of fact, we do have a thread for this amateur hour shite, and I wish it stayed there
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Jun 17, 2017 00:33
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jabby posted:Quite a few journalists who've been at the scene during or after the fire have looked extremely rattled. Every one I've seen reporting from the protests today have looked nervous in a way I don't remember seeing from reporters in this country today. the thing thats struck me about all the clips ive seen today is that in almost all of them half the crowd seems to be made up of journos trying to get a scoop from the few actual residents there. perhaps they have suddenly realized there are actually more angry prols waiting everywhere else around them.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:35
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Can't believe how many loving turds think it's extreme to suggest victims of the fire are temporarily housed in some of the 20,000 vacant houses in London because 'it's not fair on the millionaires' apparently, it's possible the only way to get through to these idiots is with violence 
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Jun 17, 2017 00:45
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Bacon Terrorist posted:Can't believe how many loving turds think it's extreme to suggest victims of the fire are temporarily housed in some of the 20,000 vacant houses in London because 'it's not fair on the millionaires' apparently, it's possible the only way to get through to these idiots is with violence Not necessarily, I still think it can be changed but people need to realise that money is worth basically nothing before you can really realise that "oh wait, its more important that people are clothed, fed and housed than we can say a small group of people made more money".
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Jun 17, 2017 00:48
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So, are we just waiting for the astonishment to turn to rage still?
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Jun 17, 2017 00:48
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Tories are absolutely not going to give the Russian's property to anyone. The moment they even hint they will wiki leaks is getting the motherload marked "from your friends at the Russian secret service"
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Jun 17, 2017 00:52
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staberind posted:So, are we just waiting for the astonishment to turn to rage still? It's already turning and at this point the tories are either cataclysmically, insultingly inept and completely unfit for any sort of public office beyond data entry or they're trying to goad it on.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:01
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Darth Walrus posted:Gonna link this again. The later paragraphs are now very funny, though. This was hugely interesting, thanks for linking it.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:06
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 from https://www.wired.com/story/photo-of-the-week-flying-over-londons-devastating-high-rise-fire/?mbid=social_twitter
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Jun 17, 2017 01:08
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Jun 17, 2017 01:16
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That stunt reminds me of that impromptu news conference David Cameron did a day or two before the Brexit vote - he could tell they were going to lose and made a desperate attempt to seize the initiative and try to turn the vote it around. She knows she is done - seeking out that interview is a sign she is desperately attempting to do something. Anything... to try to turn it around and salvage her career. She failed. She can't even answer a loving question. I would be astonished if she was still PM by Monday. If she is, it will almost certainly be because the party won't let her resign
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Jun 17, 2017 01:17
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learnincurve posted:Tories are absolutely not going to give the Russian's property to anyone. The moment they even hint they will wiki leaks is getting the motherload marked "from your friends at the Russian secret service" Aren't most of the Russians who ended up with property in London the sort of people who aren't on the best of terms with the Putin regime? Your Berezovsky types.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:22
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Bacon Terrorist posted:Can't believe how many loving turds think it's extreme to suggest victims of the fire are temporarily housed in some of the 20,000 vacant houses in London because 'it's not fair on the millionaires' apparently, it's possible the only way to get through to these idiots is with violence It was always this way. Society should never have been allowed to end up like this. We should have had a horrible civil war years ago.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:24
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 May was already so far out of her depth. It's just unfathomable at this point. I have never witnessed such a rapid and deserved fall from grace in politics.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:25
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Tigey posted:That stunt reminds me of that impromptu news conference David Cameron did a day or two before the Brexit vote - he could tell they were going to lose and made a desperate attempt to seize the initiative and try to turn the vote it around. It certainly smacks of desperation. They know their tactics aren't working so they shove a panicky PM in front of the cameras to say something, anything to try and turn it around. This is quite the nightmare scenario for the government. It isn't going to go away quickly. Casualty numbers are going to dribble out over days, people living in high-rises are going to bed every night terrified of dying in a fire, and Grenfell itself is going to loom over the skyline like a monument to their indifference. And in the medium-term there are the results of the inquiry, which unless it's a complete whitewash are likely to be damning. #WriteMaysResignationSpeech is actually trending. EDIT This works on so many levels.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:26
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forkboy84 posted:Aren't most of the Russians who ended up with property in London the sort of people who aren't on the best of terms with the Putin regime? Your Berezovsky types. There was a link a few pages back about how those sort tend to end up dead. Someone linked a buzzfeed article that had some strong implications that a deal was done to "shut up" some of Russia's people to encourage investment in London.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:27
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Jun 17, 2017 01:27
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Not to mention the absolute bullshit changes to the laws regarding Squatting.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:27
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XMNN posted:yeah i just watched that interview, shes doing her sneering, almost-laughing thing where she answers every question like she cant quite believe the interviewer is dim enough to ask it I think I like it.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:30
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baka kaba posted:That clip in isolation makes her look a lot better than the full interview. Imagine the same prepared line - tragedy, I met people, example story, want to support people - delivered multiple times in response to direct questions about responsibility and her own fuckups And after a couple of rounds of that bollocks, Maitlis looks like she's only barely restraining her desire to personally strangle May. I mean the shocking thing is that May herself could come out of this looking okay, she just had to come out the morning after, meet people and act like she's listening, and then when the media asks questions say "We're doing everything possible to first of all care all those affected by this tragedy, second to make sure they are given adequate temporary accommodations and rehomed in the borough as soon as can be arranged no matter the cost, third, and I gave orders to this effect this morning, to immediately assess every other high rise in the country to ensure maximum safety, and fourth, to bring to account anyone who is responsible or contributed to this by cutting costs or corners, and that includes anyone who might be within this government. I am now returning to No. 10 to chair a COBRA meeting to discuss these issues and we will keep the Grenfell Tower residents and the country informed as we move forwards." Sure that still leaves her in a bad position and the fourth point especially is one she'd hate to make, but the sheer political incompetence is baffling. Make the right noises, show sympathy, and throw sacrifices to the lions if needed. Even if she hosed up down the line in handling this it would buy her some time and at least have the vague outlines of leadership. And I'm not exactly a PR expert or owt, I knocked that 'statement' together in three minutes and I piss all over my hands several times a day.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:32
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The Home Secretary position maintains its 100% record for destroying people.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:32
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We should start a deadpool on Tory MP careers.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:32
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jabby posted:It certainly smacks of desperation. They know their tactics aren't working so they shove a panicky PM in front of the cameras to say something, anything to try and turn it around. You know how bad it went when you already have people leaking that it was May's idea to do the appearance.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:33
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pumpinglemma posted:Did you hear her voice cracking, though? To me she looks absolutely wrung out. Not, you know, like she's actually empathising with the victims. More like she's hit one crisis too many, her higher brain functions have failed her, and she's now on autopilot stumbling from rake to rake like Sideshow Bob. I think the main thing is she knows Maitlis was there, and she knows that a soundbite is, as much as it's being presented for public consumption, is directly being put to someone who's still thinking about the things they saw that happened on her watch. There's a brief apologetic look at the end; she knows she's spent seven minutes talking to a traumatised woman like she's an idiot, but it's How It's Done.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:34
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jabby posted:#WriteMaysResignationSpeech is actually trending. In these troublesome months I have been actuated solely by love and loyalty to my people in all my thoughts, acts and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions which have ever confronted mortal man. I have spent my time, my working strength and my health in these three decades. It is untrue that I or anyone else in Britain wanted the Brexit in 2016. I have decided therefore to remain in London and there of my own free will to choose death at the moment when I believe the position of the Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury itself can no longer be held. I die with a happy heart, aware of the immeasurable deeds and achievements of our soldiers at the front, our women at home, the achievements of our farmers and workers and the work, unique in history, of our youth who bear my name. Before my death I expel the former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson from the party and deprive him of all rights which he may enjoy by virtue of the decree of June 29th, 2017; and also by virtue of my statement in the Parliament, I appoint in my place Gross Arsehole Michael Gove, Life President of the Realm and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:37
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Always relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8TSFTehfgw
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After being booed by Grenfell victims, Theresa May caps another dreadful day with 'inhuman' TV interview and fails to give a single straight answer after being accused of misreading public's anger - The Prime Minister was given a grilling by the BBC's Emily Maitlis on Friday night - It comes as she faces heavy criticism over her response to the tragedy - Viewers said the PM 'lacked a heart' and accused her of evading questions - Earlier that day May had to be bundled into a car as a crowd hurled abuse at her Theresa May has been slammed by viewers for showing a 'lack of empathy' during a gruelling interview in the wake of the Grenfell Tower tragedy. The Prime Minister appeared uncomfortable as she received grilling from the BBC's Emily Maitlis on Newsnight over her actions following the devastating blaze. The 'embarrassing interview' came at the end of a disastrous day for Mrs May. She has been heavily criticised for failing to meet with victims when she first visited the site of the fire in west London on Thursday. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4612598/Theresa-slammed-inhuman-Newsnight-interview.html the daily loving mail. she is done.
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