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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
| Total: | 1817 votes | ||
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Irony Be My Shield posted:May is hosed in terms of public opinion but I'm worried they'll shamble on as a zombie government just to try and keep Corbyn out. That will really gently caress the Brexit negotiations too. Even after all that's been happening I don't see how an election happens any time soon. For all their posturing over a deal I can't see the DUP voting against the government in a confidence vote, since none of the current negative press hurts them with their voters at all. So we need a half dozen conservative MPs to vote no on confidence, which in the current climate is very much turkeys voting for Christmas. Who are these MPs going to be, what's going to motivate them?
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Jun 17, 2017 12:36
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remember when ronya said that Corbyn shouldn't have told the Tories to spend more than £5 million because the money might not be there to do that lol
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Jun 17, 2017 12:38
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now that I think of it, I am wondering whether May is crazy enough to be ordering the DCLG to give away money it is not statutorily entitled to give away, and then 1) daring Labour to call her out on it, and 2) letting the resulting legal hoopla be a big steaming pile on someone else's plate a few years from now
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Jun 17, 2017 12:38
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NRVNQSR posted:Even after all that's been happening I don't see how an election happens any time soon. For all their posturing over a deal I can't see the DUP voting against the government in a confidence vote, since none of the current negative press hurts them with their voters at all. So we need a dozen conservative MPs to vote no on confidence, which in the current climate is very much turkeys voting for Christmas. Who are these MPs going to be, what's going to motivate them? Backbenchers with decent majorities, who'd rather be out of government than out of Parliament.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:38
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Humiliation for loser Clegg If his book leaves some extra dents in the conservatives then I am atleast more ambivalent towards him. Without the coalition government odds are we wouldn't have a renewed left/corbyn ascendant. the accelerationists were right!! 
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ronya posted:now that I think of it, I am wondering whether May is crazy enough to be ordering the DCLG to give away money it is not statutorily entitled to give away, and then 1) daring Labour to call her out on it, and 2) letting the resulting legal hoopla be a big steaming pile on someone else's plate a few years from now Of course you think this shambles is the government playing 69 dimension chess rather than just the undignified death throes of the neoliberal consensus.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:39
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Baron Corbyn posted:remember when ronya said that Corbyn shouldn't have told the Tories to spend more than £5 million because the money might not be there to do that lol hot take time: when Prime Minister Corbyn tries to pass a budget, he's going to have a very narrow majority and a great deal of difficulty motivating any sense of party discipline, and his hands are going to be tied by the most right-wing of Labour MPs, not even the average Labour MP (who is still pretty centrist in a PLPy way) and that'll be weeks from now! and they will ask, quite predictably so, on what principles emergency funding is going to be handed out, since as of now there is no general entitlement to have the cost of possessions covered during disasters
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Jun 17, 2017 12:41
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This is actually even more depressing than it would be if they passed it off as a purely ideological issue.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:41
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NRVNQSR posted:Even after all that's been happening I don't see how an election happens any time soon. For all their posturing over a deal I can't see the DUP voting against the government in a confidence vote, since none of the current negative press hurts them with their voters at all. So we need a half dozen conservative MPs to vote no on confidence, which in the current climate is very much turkeys voting for Christmas. Who are these MPs going to be, what's going to motivate them?
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Jun 17, 2017 12:44
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forkboy84 posted:Of course you think this shambles is the government playing 69 dimension chess rather than just the undignified death throes of the neoliberal consensus. it's not 69 dimensional chess for ministers that are, by all polling guidance, going to fall anyway, to start ignoring the protests of its legal advisors and financial auditors that is horrifically careless behaviour of course but these are Tories backed into a corner, how much respect to appropriate ministerial conduct are you willing to rely on
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Jun 17, 2017 12:47
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There's a deeply funny bit in there where Clegg is unable to tell the difference between Cameron and Osborne
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Jun 17, 2017 12:47
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apparently the tories genuinely think corbyn will destroy the country lol https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/875841332463501314
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Jun 17, 2017 12:48
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DancingShade posted:Lets also not politicize this very preventable tragedy caused by fuckhead politicians who thought that Mitchell & Webb skit about "kill the poor" was a good idea instead of a joke from a comedy show. No, we should absolutely make it political.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:48
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Would May resign from Parliament if she was removed from the Prime Ministership and would the Tories be able to beat Lord Buckethead at the Byelection?
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Jun 17, 2017 12:49
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Signs that the Tory party are true evil: 1. Blue Peter presenters call them out on their devilry.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:50
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learnincurve posted:Signs that the Tory party are true evil: Her sister is the Labour MP for Ealing Central and Acton.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:52
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learnincurve posted:Signs that the Tory party are true evil: Konnie Huq is great.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:53
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and i must meme posted:apparently the tories genuinely think corbyn will destroy the country lol One can hope.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:54
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and i must meme posted:apparently the tories genuinely think corbyn will destroy the country lol what I don't understand is this is in a reply to Owen Jones asking why May hasn't resigned and Shipman saying because they're afraid of a Corbyn government. If I were a Tory wanting to avoid a Corbyn government I'd be doing everything I can to get May out of number 10, because she is clearly completely incapable as a Prime Minister and party leader and dragging them down with them. Brown and May have already set the precedent that a new Prime Minister doesn't call an election to secure a mandate and correctly so.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:54
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:would the Tories be able to beat Lord Buckethead at the Byelection? nobody can beat Lord Buckethead. He got 0 votes in 2015, 249 in 2017, so by a perfectly reasonable iterative model of f(n+1)= f(n)*16,549 + 249 he will gain every vote in the constituency and then some.
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Jun 17, 2017 12:58
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forkboy84 posted:Konnie Huq is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju-tjcUKVzI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTddBiNEPPw
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Jun 17, 2017 12:58
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Would May resign from Parliament if she was removed from the Prime Ministership and would the Tories be able to beat Lord Buckethead at the Byelection? Presumably Lord Buckerhead wouldn't stand in Maidenhead if May weren't standing there. It doesn't behoove him to challenge anyone less than the Prime Ministrone. Baron Corbyn posted:what I don't understand is this is in a reply to Owen Jones asking why May hasn't resigned and Shipman saying because they're afraid of a Corbyn government. If I were a Tory wanting to avoid a Corbyn government I'd be doing everything I can to get May out of number 10, because she is clearly completely incapable as a Prime Minister and party leader and dragging them down with them. Brown and May have already set the precedent that a new Prime Minister doesn't call an election to secure a mandate and correctly so. I haven't yet seen a definitive answer to the constitutional question of what happens if May resigns as PM before passing a Queen's Speech. Perhaps they're worried that they won't get a second chance with a new leader?
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Baron Corbyn posted:what I don't understand is this is in a reply to Owen Jones asking why May hasn't resigned and Shipman saying because they're afraid of a Corbyn government. If I were a Tory wanting to avoid a Corbyn government I'd be doing everything I can to get May out of number 10, because she is clearly completely incapable as a Prime Minister and party leader and dragging them down with them. Brown and May have already set the precedent that a new Prime Minister doesn't call an election to secure a mandate and correctly so. I guarantee you that every Tory who thinks they have a chance has people already putting out feelers to see which other MPs will back them. if they're not acting, their feelers aren't reporting anything good + a sense (not entirely unrealistically) that any government, Tory or not, will be short lived for reasons that premiers cannot do anything about, and so better to bunker down than stick heads over the parapet
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Jun 17, 2017 12:59
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Baron Corbyn posted:what I don't understand is this is in a reply to Owen Jones asking why May hasn't resigned and Shipman saying because they're afraid of a Corbyn government. If I were a Tory wanting to avoid a Corbyn government I'd be doing everything I can to get May out of number 10, because she is clearly completely incapable as a Prime Minister and party leader and dragging them down with them. Brown and May have already set the precedent that a new Prime Minister doesn't call an election to secure a mandate and correctly so. They haven't agreed a government yet or secretly decided who will replace her so doing it now makes them look even worse. They'll support May until it seems like things are okay again and then let whoever wants it to have a go.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:00
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I don't believe they've all drank the kool aid that deeply, tbh. That's clearly the party line, but (despite all appearances to the contrary) there are some of them who are drat well aware that Corbyn is to the right of Atlee, Keynesian economists and people who probably should have done something about and/or after the Brexit vote if they were concerned about the loving pound crashing. They're scared because of simple self interest. Some of them will be scared because they're implicated in poo poo like Grenfell (and I bet that's just the tip of the loving iceburg) or would be in things like Leveson Inquiry 2, a third of them are landlords and literally all of them are in the top income tax bracket (and likely most of them are ardent tax avoiders). They're not afraid he'll destroy the economy, they're afraid he'll destroy their economy.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:00
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ronya posted:hot take time: when Prime Minister Corbyn tries to pass a budget, he's going to have a very narrow majority and a great deal of difficulty motivating any sense of party discipline, and his hands are going to be tied by the most right-wing of Labour MPs, not even the average Labour MP (who is still pretty centrist in a PLPy way) Budgets regularly contain black holes of billions of pounds. Nobody is going to vote down a budget because it contains a paltry few million for disaster relief, and even if they didn't put it in the budget the money can still be found. Baron Corbyn posted:Brown and May have already set the precedent that a new Prime Minister doesn't call an election to secure a mandate and correctly so. Lots of people feel Brown was voted out of office because he was seen as carrying on without a proper mandate, and May literally did just call an election because she felt she couldn't continue without one.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:01
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tory-led austerity that literally kills ppl is cool, good and necessary also, protesting or ridiculing my poo poo ideology is ugly, divisive a common take on tory twitter
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Jun 17, 2017 13:03
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https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/876046127384145920
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Jun 17, 2017 13:08
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Poor Julian.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:10
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i mean, the prime minister who was the worst is clearly Thatcher but the one who is worst at being prime minister has to be May, which is stunning to me because I'm pretty sure I said this exact thing except about Cameron just a little over one year ago. good loving work mrs may, you've managed to make david cameron look like a good prime minister.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:13
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I can absolutely see SNP or Lib Dems or particularly ornery Labour MPs picking a fight over anything that implies that London is to get permanently special treatment in disaster relief, even if it's a rounding error in the budget so's foreign aid and welfare fraud; doesn't stop an entire ideological movement being built upon it
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Jun 17, 2017 13:13
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CoolCab posted:i mean, the prime minister who was the worst is clearly Thatcher but the one who is worst at being prime minister has to be May, which is stunning to me because I'm pretty sure I said this exact thing except about Cameron just a little over one year ago. Let's not go overboard here. She's shown herself to be worse than Cameron. He's still poo poo.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:14
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NRVNQSR posted:
The Queen invites the runner up, in this case Corbyn, to try and form a government. If he can't do it then we have another general election. In 1923-1924 Baldwin called an early general election and while he had the largest party, they were well short of a majority, got defeated on the King's speech and he resigned as PM. For 10 (?) months a minority labour party ruled until they got defeated on a major issue vote and that triggered another general election. The 1920s was pre- the fixed term parliament act, so the important things now for a minority government are the queen's speech, the budget and votes of no confidence. PST fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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The manufacturer of the panels used to clad the London tower block where at least 30 people died in a fire this week advised customers against using its polyethylene-cored tiles — the ones reportedly used at Grenfell Tower — in high-rise buildings. Diagrams of Reynobond tiles from a brochure dated from 2016 shows how polyethylene (PE) core tiles are suitable only for buildings up to 10 metres in height. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-17/8627790
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Jun 17, 2017 13:16
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ronya posted:I can absolutely see SNP or Lib Dems or particularly ornery Labour MPs picking a fight over anything that implies that London is to get permanently special treatment in disaster relief, even if it's a rounding error in the budget London isn't the only place in the country with high rise blocks.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:16
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it is, however, disproportionately where the high-rise blocks are if you think this is excessively petty you have far more faith in humanity's resistance to localist tendencies than is deserved
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Jun 17, 2017 13:19
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JFairfax posted:The manufacturer of the panels used to clad the London tower block where at least 30 people died in a fire this week advised customers against using its polyethylene-cored tiles — the ones reportedly used at Grenfell Tower — in high-rise buildings. Jeremy Corbyn's first major infrastructure project is going to be building a jail purely to house all those responsible for this
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CoolCab posted:good loving work mrs may, you've managed to make david cameron look like a good prime minister.
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