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KillHour posted:I never thought I'd want to move to Delaware. First state. First state of our hearts.
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I've seen a lot of astoundingly stupid things from following this thread, but this is really worthy of note as possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read. This could win the Pulitzer of idiocy. A triumph.
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Getting mad about an investigation being a "Witch Hunt" really loses its punch when the accused is hovering in the air on a broomstick, hurling balls of green flame, turning people into toads, then bragging loudly that they have the best hexes.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:15
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Do these new Delaware laws affect any state incorporated there, or just to business that takes place in there? After all, a huge number of large US businesses are incorporated there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_General_Corporation_Law
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Jun 17, 2017 16:18
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Joe-Bob posted:Do these new Delaware laws affect any state incorporated there, or just to business that takes place in there? After all, a huge number of large US businesses are incorporated there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_General_Corporation_Law Just business in the state. States can't overrule labor laws in other jurisdictions.
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axeil posted:So someone the other day recommended a documentary about the OKC Bombing/White Nationalism in the 80s/90s. It's insanely good and it's on Netflix. Definite pro-watch. Initially? You sweet summer child. https://web.archive.org/web/20090324214032/http://nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/OKC_ForeignConnection.pdf Dana Rohrabacher in 2006, in congress posted:There is serious, yet in some cases circumstantial, evidence that suggests a possible Middle Eastern connection to the Oklahoma City bombing (named “OKBOMB” by federal investigators)  BILL! And pages more.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:22
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Yeah the US is fuckin' stupid. Almost no job postings come with salaries unless it's hourly. Then you have no way of knowing if they're lowballing you or if you're getting the standard company rate. Some companies will ask to look at your tax returns when they verify your salary at your last job.
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juries being dumb is a confirmation bias thing because of course you don't hear about all the ones that do their job fine but man whoever hung that jury needs to be strung up. the first time i remember thinking juries are dumb was when i was younger and they did an oj documentary and talked to some of the jurors. the ones that spoke seemed very dumb and even as a kid i realized how dumb they were to acquit even with the prosecution's gently caress ups (everyone gets hung up on the glove, but the blood evidence should've convicted him on its own). Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Easy Salmon Recipe posted:If we can't excise the cancer of the GOP from our body politic in a relatively short timeframe, I foresee a lot of these bundles of "gently caress the nazis" law packages happening in sane states that contain actual people instead of hate-poisoned bags of flesh. Thread moves fast, but I love Jerry Brown's State of the State address where he says "California's not turning back. Not now. Not ever." https://youtu.be/nIhfz9KzVFc
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Vedius Pollio posted:I've seen a lot of astoundingly stupid things from following this thread, but this is really worthy of note as possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read. This could win the Pulitzer of idiocy. A triumph. Can't spell triumph of stupidity without trump
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Jun 17, 2017 16:29
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Zwabu posted:Will Trump get a primary challenge? Trump somehow surviving until 2020 and then getting primaried by another Republican, who then lost to a Dem, would be the funniest thing ever.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:33
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Groovelord Neato posted:juries being dumb is a confirmation bias thing because of course you don't hear about all the ones that do their job fine but man whoever hung that jury needs to be strung up themselves. Cases like these are part of the wage of white supremacy and not just dumb juries. There were plenty of people who believed Simpson was framed because the lead detective allowed himself to be recorded by a reporter saying that he hated black people and would love to frame a famous black person if he ever got the opportunity, and that tape was entered as evidence in the trial. The idea didn't just pop up out of nowhere. I've seen a similar phenomenon with Cosby, where people are willing to believe that there are white people out there willing to frame a famous black person simply because there are a huge amount of vicious white racists who clearly would. Don't blame the jurors in a vacuum. They are merely a very specific casualty of racism.
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Sir Tonk posted:Trump somehow surviving until 2020 and then getting primaried by another Republican, who then lost to a Dem, would be the funniest thing ever. On the other hand Trump would spend the rest of his life convinced he would have won the election and that he was betrayed by the party.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Jury I looked into that case, and its got a lot of problems for the prosecutors. People can react to trauma in weird ways of course and we shouldn't condemn or exonerate someone just based on that, but the woman in this case called Cosby dozens of times after the incident, and had some long conversations running all the way up to 45 minutes. Older people on the jury are going to be like "if he raped you, why are you having long in-depth conversations with the man afterwards?" There's a reason why the prosecutors declined prosecution initially years ago, and its not just because Cosby is famous. Rigel fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Jun 17, 2017 16:36
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business hammocks posted:Cases like these are part of the wage of white supremacy and not just dumb juries. There were plenty of people who believed Simpson was framed because the lead detective allowed himself to be recorded by a reporter saying that he hated black people and would love to frame a famous black person if he ever got the opportunity, and that tape was entered as evidence in the trial. The idea didn't just pop up out of nowhere. I've seen a similar phenomenon with Cosby, where people are willing to believe that there are white people out there willing to frame a famous black person simply because there are a huge amount of vicious white racists who clearly would. Don't blame the jurors in a vacuum. They are merely a very specific casualty of racism. I've got a friend, who's Temple alum and has met Cosby. He thinks he's guilty as hell. He also thinks his net worth is even higher at $400 million.
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Senor Tron posted:On the other hand Trump would spend the rest of his life convinced he would have won the election and that he was betrayed by the party. exactly
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Lote posted:I've got a friend, who's Temple alum and has met Cosby. He thinks he's guilty as hell. He also thinks his net worth is even higher at $400 million. Well of course he's guilty. I'm saying that there are deep cultural reasons why jurors might be predisposed to ignoring his guilt.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Yeah the US is fuckin' stupid. Almost no job postings come with salaries unless it's hourly. Then you have no way of knowing if they're lowballing you or if you're getting the standard company rate. interviews for salaried positions often take that further by also asking you what salary you are expecting to make at the position so they can go "oh, gee well we're only able to offer (your answer -$5k)" even if they were planning on paying much more than what you stated.
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Sir Tonk posted:exactly Imagine how much better it would be to see him on election night if he loses re-election horribly.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:39
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Paracaidas posted:Initially? You sweet summer child. What the fuuuuuuck. The bomber ( I won't use his name as that brings remembrance to a disgusting traitor and mass murderer) all but confessed. He was proud of it, he bragged about it. This country is so hosed.
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Senor Tron posted:On the other hand Trump would spend the rest of his life convinced he would have won the election and that he was betrayed by the party. The rest of his life will be like 5-10 years after this post, tops. Our country can withstand that particular blow. He'll probably fade slowly and be incapacitated for a while first, even. It's all the other hits we've taken as a result of his campaign and presidency that might do us in.
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axeil posted:What the fuuuuuuck. You can say Timothy McVeigh. The name brings about as much glory and positive remembrance as Adolf Hitler.
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tim mcveigh confessed. he also said "168-1" in regards to his death sentence.
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Groovelord Neato posted:juries being dumb is a confirmation bias thing because of course you don't hear about all the ones that do their job fine but man whoever hung that jury needs to be strung up. Yeah this is why I'm pretty skeptical of jury trials. It's not a trial of your peers, it'd a trial of the stupid. If your called for jury duty it should basically be impossible to get out of it, as the system we have now ensures only the least qualified actually sit on a jury.
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business hammocks posted:Cases like these are part of the wage of white supremacy and not just dumb juries. There were plenty of people who believed Simpson was framed because the lead detective allowed himself to be recorded by a reporter saying that he hated black people and would love to frame a famous black person if he ever got the opportunity, and that tape was entered as evidence in the trial. The idea didn't just pop up out of nowhere. I've seen a similar phenomenon with Cosby, where people are willing to believe that there are white people out there willing to frame a famous black person simply because there are a huge amount of vicious white racists who clearly would. Don't blame the jurors in a vacuum. They are merely a very specific casualty of racism. that's not really the jury it's the public reaction - i bet most black people celebrating oj's acquittal knew he was guilty as sin they just wanted to see the system get hosed for once. cosby's mistrial likely has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with misogyny and he said-she said garbage.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:46
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Helen Highwater posted:Reminder that Ted Nugent is such a loving personal coward that he deliberately poo poo himself for weeks himself to avoid the possibility of being drafted. I don't know about you but if a draft were to be declared tomorrow and I knew that I could get out of it by making GBS threads my pants then I would poo poo my pants without even having to think about it. gently caress you if you think I'm a coward because I literally don't wanna be sent off to my death. Doesn't matter which side owns the presidency either. I'm going to do everything I can short of self mutilation to get out of any draft, no matter the cause.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I don't know about you but if a draft were to be declared tomorrow and I knew that I could get out of it by making GBS threads my pants then I would poo poo my pants without even having to think about it. gently caress you if you think I'm a coward because I literally don't wanna be sent off to my death. Yeah, there's no moral shame in dodging a draft (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57gzA2JCcM ) But there is shame in dodging a draft and then calling for war afterwards.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I don't know about you but if a draft were to be declared tomorrow and I knew that I could get out of it by making GBS threads my pants then I would poo poo my pants without even having to think about it. gently caress you if you think I'm a coward because I literally don't wanna be sent off to my death. uhhh he's a coward because he's a gun nut who's all about violence and killing terrorists and supports the people that also want to bomb countries constantly and when he could've put his money where his mouth is he wussed out.
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Lots of talk about the potential for Mueller to recommend some action for Congress that they might decide to ignore. What happens after Trump's term(s) ends? He is then a guy that was investigated by the FBI and if they found something worth pursuing, what stops them from moving forward? Same question to the rumored NY State investigation.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:Lots of talk about the potential for Mueller to recommend some action for Congress that they might decide to ignore. What happens after Trump's term(s) ends? He is then a guy that was investigated by the FBI and if they found something worth pursuing, what stops them from moving forward? Same question to the rumored NY State investigation. Historically speaking, the next president pardons him to avoid this happening.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I don't know about you but if a draft were to be declared tomorrow and I knew that I could get out of it by making GBS threads my pants then I would poo poo my pants without even having to think about it. gently caress you if you think I'm a coward because I literally don't wanna be sent off to my death. As others have noted, it's not the fact that he's a coward for dodging the draft. He's a coward that espouses that we should be killing people with military force but he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty because he was a MOTHERFUCKING BADASS ROCK GOD or some dumb poo poo at the time. gently caress him.
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Groovelord Neato posted:uhhh he's a coward because he's a gun nut who's all about violence and killing terrorists and supports the people that also want to bomb countries constantly and when he could've put his money where his mouth is he wussed out. Isn't this always the thing, at least in America? All the right-wingers are crowing about Islamic terrorism and taking the fight to ISIS, but, given how ISIS got formed and expanded via foreign fighters and support, have any of them picked up a gun, a plate carrier, and ammunition and taken off to Syria? No. They'd rather have the U.S. military get involved. Meanwhile, anarchists in the West have been flocking to Kurdistan to support Rojava like it was the Spanish Civil War.
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ekeog posted:Historically speaking, the next president pardons him to avoid this happening. I have a distinct feeling that Trump will not accept the pardon, because accepting a pardon is an explicit statement of guilt. I very much doubt he will be willing to admit this, even with his own skin on the line.
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So I came across an interesting article that is a fascinating example of someone who is a mid-compaction (neither particularly high but certainly not really low) Narrativist trying to process all the Narrative dysphoria they are experiencing as a result of Donald Trump/Republicans slowly outing themselves as hollow conmen. The GOP Congress Better Get It's Act Together, Or It's Sunk. The entire article is for the most part a badly formatted polemic blaming the Republican Party for the Narrative dysphoria the author is experiencing, and further threatening a massive retaliatory compaction cycle. I decided to examine some portions of this article in depth with an eye towards both illustrating Narrative dysphoria as well as the authors unusually frank admittance of a concept I call "Victory by Destruction of the Enemy" when he flatly declares that his expectation is for the GOP to do only things that hurt Democrats because hurting Democrats is both what they were elected to do as well as the key to success. First off let us start out with the opening paragraphs of this article because even as badly written as this article is the opening at least does a good job of setting the tone. A Delicate Snowflake posted:“Everything’s fine,” smiled Captain Paul Ryan smarmily as he steered the Titanic into an iceberg. “Now, let me get back to shafting our own voting base via my incomprehensible determination to cancel the tax deductions that Republicans use instead of cutting handouts to Democrat-voting freeloaders!” The theme underlying these opening paragraphs is that the author is experiencing quite a bit of Narrative dysphoria because of the contradictions between what her Inner narrative is telling her should be happening now that Trump is in power and the reality of what is happening now that Trump is in power. In fact in just 8 sentences this author references seven separate sources of Narrative dysphoria that are obviously causing her stress. (In point of fact the opening of this article is barely more than a list of sources of Narrative dysphoria with barely any attempt to relate them to each other.) Let us take a moment to briefly examine each of these sources.
From here on out the article is more or less just pure lashing out at Narrative dysphoria. None of these bits are particularly worth diving deeply into (although you can see other portions of the Narrativist Framework at play here there are better examples to use to illustrate them) so I will simply quote a couple examples. [Bracketed comments are mine.] A Delicate Snowflake posted:“But stuff is getting done!” the GOP leadership insists, which might be true but is definitely irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if “stuff is getting done” if your voters don’t know it and support you. Now, when Paul Ryan talks directly to us on Hugh Hewitt's show or elsewhere, he actually makes sense. He explains his strategy, so we can sigh “Oh, there’s a reason for all this and a coherent plan. Phew.” But then Ryan says something unbelievably stupid along the lines of, “As Speaker, my job is to pass legislation, not to go out and sell our agenda to voters.” No, that’s a steaming pile of Harry Reid. Finally we come to probably the best demonstration of the Narrativism benchmark of "Victory by Destruction of the Enemy" that I have yet found. I will first quote the relevant portion of the Narrativist Framework and then quote the article's much more succinct summation of my ideas. Narrativist Framework posted:
(Italics in original) A special Snowflake posted:And we need to stop jamming our own voters in the name of some arbitrary, D.C. think tank g-generated conception of good policy. Good policy is what wins. How about not imposing anything upon us that hurts the GOP base? You see, you're there to represent Republicans. Some goofs and wusscons have the idea that you're there to represent all voters, but that's nonsense. As demonstrated above this Narrativist can only conceive of advancing his agenda by harming those he deems to have lost a struggle against his side. There is no "Do good things for Republicans" step in the above, rather the above author is operating from the logic of "If the Democrats are harmed then Republicans are helped by default and if we harm the Democrats enough then the economy will boom. There isn't any thought given to how harming Democrats will help Republicans, it is simply accepted as a patently obvious truth that Republicans/society benefits when Democrats are harmed. Note how there isn't any thought given to how to harm Democrats, it is simply accepted that if they are harmed then it is good for Republicans. Or to put it another way the above quotation is just a really angry way of saying "Lottery in June, Corn be heavy soon." (Assuming of course that only a particular group of people were drawing folded pieces of paper out of hat.)
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Young Freud posted:Isn't this always the thing, at least in America? All the right-wingers are crowing about Islamic terrorism and taking the fight to ISIS, but, given how ISIS got formed and expanded via foreign fighters and support, have any of them picked up a gun, a plate carrier, and ammunition and taken off to Syria? No. They'd rather have the U.S. military get involved. It's also an underlying thought process of American military strategy for some US politicians. None of them will openly admit it because sending our troops to their death for some political cause doesn't play well on TV. But who the hell cares if they die on the battlefield because they volunteered for military service? They might have signed up for technical training in the hope that it leads to better career potential after their enlistment ends but we've told them repeatedly that they could be killed in the line of service so gently caress em!
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Grapplejack posted:I have a distinct feeling that Trump will not accept the pardon, because accepting a pardon is an explicit statement of guilt. I very much doubt he will be willing to admit this, even with his own skin on the line. He will accept the pardon because he is terrifying of losing his wealth and going to jail, and then he will lie about the pardon. "You see, the lawyers said I had to do it -- and they're great lawyers, these guys, they're the best -- because otherwise it's all this money going into this witch hunt and wasting everybody's time -- and that's all this is, a big waste of time. And meanwhile Crooked Hillary is out there making millions from Wall Street, and immigrants are blowing everything up, and the Democrats kept us from fixing it up. Pathetic, I tell you. Sad."
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tetrapyloctomy posted:He will accept the pardon because he is terrifying of losing his wealth and going to jail, and then he will lie about the pardon. "You see, the lawyers said I had to do it -- and they're great lawyers, these guys, they're the best -- because otherwise it's all this money going into this witch hunt and wasting everybody's time -- and that's all this is, a big waste of time. And meanwhile Crooked Hillary is out there making millions from Wall Street, and immigrants are blowing everything up, and the Democrats kept us from fixing it up. Pathetic, I tell you. Sad." Then he'd be commiting perjury as a private citizen. They can also hold him in contempt if he outright refuses. Can't plead the Fifth if you have immunity.
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Trump won't be pardoned or stand trial. He might be impeached but his mental and physical deterioration is progressing (he managed to forget what day it was in a speech this week and think it was his birthday when it wasn't) and by the time this all gets to a courtroom, if it does, he will have either died from the stress or become sufficiently incompetent that his lawyers will manage to get him ruled incapable of standing trial.
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