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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/876360790231711744 Jesus Christ they've delayed the budget vote and essentially disappeared next year's queen' speech, are they actually banking on a Maydup majority happening that they'll attempt to minimize opportunities for another snap election because of a vote failure? Like after November, when is the next opportunity for an immediate vote of no-confidence based on legislation failing?
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thecluckmeme posted:Jesus Christ they've delayed the budget vote and essentially disappeared next year's queen' speech, are they actually banking on a Maydup majority happening that they'll attempt to minimize opportunities for another snap election because of a vote failure? If you're the tories isn't this the smart strategy? The worst thing they can do now is hold a vote. Better to wait and at least try to minimize the damage and hope everyone goes back to being apathetic.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:09
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TACD posted:They're generally pretty keen on keeping track of how many people in each property should be paying council tax. So as long as we assume no one had kids living with them, is renting with bills included, and every flat share has put all their names down that'll be a useful & accurate number Basically just keep waiting for the emergency services to give confirmed numbers once they're in and can count bodies. Cerv fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Jun 18, 2017 10:10
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Ahahaha, so basically the Tories are refusing to govern so they can keep their jobs? What happens if they just refuse to hold any votes ever? How long do they get to hold everyone hostage?
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Jun 18, 2017 10:13
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What do you even call a mode of government where the ruling party can only cling onto power by essentially closing the curtains, turning off the lights, and pretending they're not in for the next 5 years? I read about ditching the Queen's Speech and budget statements and my brain says "well there's a transparent attempt to stop your political opponents from doing their jobs specifically so you can cling onto power" but it's all too grubby and pathetic to be any kind of authoritarian coup.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:14
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Ahahaha, so basically the Tories are refusing to govern so they can keep their jobs? What happens if they just refuse to hold any votes ever? How long do they get to hold everyone hostage? Well eventually some of them will die which will force some by-elections
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Jun 18, 2017 10:15
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Sadiq Khan has thrown his hat into the ring for 'biggest missed point' and 'biggest oval office' with his piece in the Observer. He literally blames the building standards of the 70s for the Grenfell fire and suggests all tower blocks from that period might have to be torn down. Aside from the fact that the building was loving FINE until we decided to cover it in petrol a few years ago, tearing down all old tower blocks would have the nice side effect of removing most of the remaining places for poor people to live in London. Is Khan actually planning on using this fire as an excuse to rapidly speed up the gentrification of London, by tearing down homes instead of cheaply retrofitting them with sprinklers? Because that's the impression.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:18
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Didn't Belgium go without a functioning government for quite a while recently? Not sure it's a model we can follow with Brexit like
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hand-fed baby bird posted:Didn't Belgium go without a functioning government for quite a while recently? Not sure it's a model we can follow with Brexit like I sincerely hope the EU looks at this situation and pattern of government (lack thereof) and say "nah, come back to us with a stable government to begin negotiations"
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Jun 18, 2017 10:21
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Ahahaha, so basically the Tories are refusing to govern so they can keep their jobs? What happens if they just refuse to hold any votes ever? How long do they get to hold everyone hostage? Until 2022, unless defections / byelections can force enough losses that they either lose a straightforward confidence vote, or the prospect of doing so intimidates them into calling a snap election. It's unlikely but theoretically possible that this government could limp on for the next five years, although I think the current public sector spending review is due in 2020, so they can't dodge a budget for too long.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:21
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Miftan posted:Air travel is misleading because there's always the cost of getting to the airport/parking. It's also much more of a hassle than just showing up and getting on a train imo Cerv posted:So as long as we assume no one had kids living with them, is renting with bills included, and every flat share has put all their names down that'll be a useful & accurate number TACD fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Jun 18, 2017 10:22
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jabby posted:Sadiq Khan has thrown his hat into the ring for 'biggest missed point' and 'biggest oval office' with his piece in the Observer. Yeah he seems pretty keen on knocking those places down and presumably replacing them with nice new condos once the residents have been "decanted". Sadiq Khan is a good reminder that Labour isn't really to be trusted either.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:26
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awesome-express posted:How are you finding the 1 series? How's the leg room for a tall person? The 1 Series is fine, I'm 185cm tall and like to sit fairly far from the pedals, and I can still fit in the seat behind mine even though it's a bit of a squeeze. BMWs are great for taller drivers because you can pull the wheel out much further than any other car I've driven. The 3 Series layout is identical but with more room. TACD posted:Train tickets for visiting my folks down south are now so expensive that they're now pretty much at parity with air travel. Air travel also saves several hours and guarantees you a seat. I can believe this. My partner and I went to the Lake District earlier in the year, and had we gone by train we would've paid £228 in rail fares for both of us. Instead we went in my car (which gets hilariously good mileage for a petrol if it's just cruising along the motorway) and it set us back about £70 in petrol.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:27
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thecluckmeme posted:Like after November, when is the next opportunity for an immediate vote of no-confidence based on legislation failing? Why are people talking about November and failed legislation? Labour can file a motion of no confidence on any Opposition Day, they don't need a specific reason to do so, and they automatically take precedence over all other government business.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:39
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Party Boat posted:Until 2022, unless defections / byelections can force enough losses that they either lose a straightforward confidence vote, or the prospect of doing so intimidates them into calling a snap election. Actually further to this - is there anything stopping a governing party from extending the session of Parliament even further, potentially up to the next election? They'd be absolutely hamstrung in terms of introducing legislation and it would be a huge stick for the opposition and wavering backbenchers to beat the government with, but is there any formal arrangement preventing it from happening?
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Jun 18, 2017 10:40
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This is how the civil wars started
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Jun 18, 2017 10:41
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Party Boat posted:Actually further to this - is there anything stopping a governing party from extending the session of Parliament even further, potentially up to the next election? They'd be absolutely hamstrung in terms of introducing legislation and it would be a huge stick for the opposition and wavering backbenchers to beat the government with, but is there any formal arrangement preventing it from happening? *hisses* Tradittttiiiiioooooonnnnnn
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Jun 18, 2017 10:47
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I just read in a Dutch newspaper that it would have cost all of 5000 pounds more to use the fireproof insulation cladding instead of the fire hazard that was installed. Don't remember seeing it reported in the UK media or mentioned in the thread. Can anyone verify?
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Jun 18, 2017 10:48
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thecluckmeme posted:I sincerely hope the EU looks at this situation and pattern of government (lack thereof) and say "nah, come back to us with a stable government to begin negotiations" Nah, the EU members have a vested interest in holding up the shambolic state of UK politics and saying to any wavering members "THIS COULD BE YOU". We're the EU's redshirt, our role is to die to underscore the severity of the calamity.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:50
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Rarity posted:Eddie Redmayne as BoJo Ade Edmondson as Paul Nutall
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Jun 18, 2017 10:53
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Rumda posted:This is how the civil wars started
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Jun 18, 2017 10:54
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Guavanaut posted:Can the Levellers win this time? I hope so.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:57
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Elliptical Dick posted:I just read in a Dutch newspaper that it would have cost all of 5000 pounds more to use the fireproof insulation cladding instead of the fire hazard that was installed. Contractors took the £2 cheaper, flammable version
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Jun 18, 2017 10:59
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Have they considered suspending all votes, elections and parish council meetings?
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Jun 18, 2017 11:02
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Rumda posted:This is how the civil wars started I was thinking "I'm sure there is an historical parallel", and yeah it's the loving civil war. I mean we even have fears of Irish influence over parliament and the government trying to maintain its control over the Scots.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:03
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Elliptical Dick posted:I just read in a Dutch newspaper that it would have cost all of 5000 pounds more to use the fireproof insulation cladding instead of the fire hazard that was installed. It's shown up a lot but so far I'm hearing that it's an "unverified". Rumda posted:This is how the civil wars started I feel like I'm not seeing as much angriness on the street today, at least.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:03
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5000 in savings divided by 600 or so tenants = 8.3 pounds is how much a life is worth in London nowadays. Jesus loving Christ.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:05
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spectralent posted:I feel like I'm not seeing as much angriness on the street today, at least. People are chilling with their dads today.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:05
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Ludicro posted:The 1 Series is fine, I'm 185cm tall and like to sit fairly far from the pedals, and I can still fit in the seat behind mine even though it's a bit of a squeeze. BMWs are great for taller drivers because you can pull the wheel out much further than any other car I've driven. The 3 Series layout is identical but with more room. Thanks! I'm 194cm so maybe I need to book a test drive in both of them.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:07
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I think the Tories are just going to barricade downing street and start yelling that they've got everything in hand and just speak to your local council if you have a problem.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:07
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Taintrunner posted:5000 in savings divided by 600 or so tenants = 8.3 pounds is how much a life is worth in London nowadays. £5000 in a refurb that cost nearly £11million for what it's worth
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Jun 18, 2017 11:08
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Steve2911 posted:People are chilling with their dads today. It's that or the DUP won and nobody's allowed emotions on sunday.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:08
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Thanks. I can't believe they risked the lives of all those people in that tower for £5k what an absolute loving disgrace.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:09
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Elliptical Dick posted:Thanks. I can't believe they ended the lives of all those people in that tower for £5k what an absolute loving disgrace.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:14
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Elliptical Dick posted:I just read in a Dutch newspaper that it would have cost all of 5000 pounds more to use the fireproof insulation cladding instead of the fire hazard that was installed. Yeah that's been widely reported. Is the plan for the tories to shamble like a zombie long enough to complete the brexit negotiations you think? There must be a shitload of money (for the rich obvs) in deprioritising workers rights, environmental protections, safety standards etc over the transition.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:14
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namesake posted:I think the Tories are just going to barricade downing street and start yelling that they've got everything in hand and just speak to your local council if you have a problem. And the conservative councils are gonna do the same except directing you to talk to the police.
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Elliptical Dick posted:Thanks. I can't believe they risked the lives of all those people in that tower for £5k what an absolute loving disgrace. No don't you understand, it's "austerity"
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Jun 18, 2017 11:15
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ahahah if the tories refuse to do any business for years because of fears of a coalition collapsing they are gonna get eaten alive no matter what they do
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Elliptical Dick posted:Thanks. I can't believe they risked the lives of all those people in that tower for £5k what an absolute loving disgrace. lol if you think a Tory government gives a crap about poor people
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dex_sda posted:ahahah if the tories refuse to do any business for years because of fears of a coalition collapsing they are gonna get eaten alive no matter what they do Yeah but we need them gone now. Every day the country lurches forwards without a sensible economic policy is just making the damage harder to undo.
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