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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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learnincurve posted:I like how all those mandatory health and saftey courses/lessons in school were a monumental waste of time for most goons. Whatever lessons I learned were lost when I worked as a chef for a few years.  The kitchen was pretty fire proof so we didn't give a gently caress.
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Jun 18, 2017 13:36
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Whimsicalfuckery posted:This is sickening. Residents of Grenfell tower being moved as far away as Preston and one man who lost his wife dumped in a care home. Seems pretty obvious what they're doing is spreading people as far apart as possible. They're not releasing the real numbers of missing/dead/survivors, so nobody knows how many people are still there. Moving people away so that it's harder to get a full total, organise protests etc., particularly with a predominantly working class/immigrant population who are less likely to cause trouble.
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Jun 18, 2017 13:37
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Neil Coyle is one of those MPs who's quoted by the press whenever they're struggling to meet their anti-Corbyn quota. He's a village idiot among village idiots.
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Jun 18, 2017 13:43
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jabby posted:So after Hammond said today that sprinklers weren't always 'the best way' to ensure fire safety, how much pressure do you think the government will exert on the inquiry not to say retrofitting sprinklers should be required? Maybe tone it down to a strong recommendation, which can be communicated to local councils via a form letter. Just want to qualify your last line there. There has never been a multi-casualty fire in a fully sprinklered building where the system was properly maintained and ON. There have unfortunately been more than few fires in buildings where 'oops' the system was off for some reason. On the point of the fire being ignited by an electrical source. It would be hard to imagine that a person would still be at risk of electrocution since by the time the sprinkler head goes off the heat from the fire would probably have pushed the person into another room. Also even if water can't extinguish the actual electrical arcing fire, it does work perfectly in soaking all nearby combustibles which prevent them from spreading the fire. Here have a fun video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH6J-Szo8dw
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EvilHawk posted:Seems pretty obvious what they're doing is spreading people as far apart as possible. They're not releasing the real numbers of missing/dead/survivors, so nobody knows how many people are still there. Moving people away so that it's harder to get a full total, organise protests etc., particularly with a predominantly working class/immigrant population who are less likely to cause trouble. Bonus, the media won't bother to travel to get their stories. Wait for people to forget. Sneak back into council/no 10/PLP. Unless enough people say NO.
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Jun 18, 2017 13:46
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EvilHawk posted:Seems pretty obvious what they're doing is spreading people as far apart as possible. They're not releasing the real numbers of missing/dead/survivors, so nobody knows how many people are still there. Moving people away so that it's harder to get a full total, organise protests etc., particularly with a predominantly working class/immigrant population who are less likely to cause trouble. Its not even intentional, this is the usual disregard and disrespect which council tenants are treated too, only writ leave on the top of a tragedy.
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Jun 18, 2017 13:51
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hey guys I see you're all talking about which powders to throw on kitchen oil fires, should I use this barrel of "gun" powder, i assume guns don't burn??? alternatively should I use my kitchen paints to draw a fire escape and get out of harms way through that?
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Jun 18, 2017 13:52
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:standard practice for councils. When I was working for Barnet it was normal to offer unsuitable places and tell anyone who didn't accept that they would be made "intentionally homeless". anyone approaching Kensington & Chelsea is going to get this. They are not set up to help and even if individual housing officers would want to they don't have the operating procedures that would allow them to offer any actual assistance. Standard procedures shouldn't be anywhere in operation here. We've got a (hopefully) once in a generation catastrophe that's picked up global attention, and an entirely inadequate response from every arm of the state with the exception of the emergency services themselves. I'm not normally one for crackpot conspiracy theories, but it's pretty hard to explain or justify the complete gently caress up that this has been from day one without resorting to active malice and a desire to defuse the situation by the deliberate withholding of the truth. Nobody has any idea how many people lived there? There's nowhere to house the survivors outside of loving preston? Our famously reserved and respectful press has no unofficial or under the counter information on the real death toll? It's bullshit. It's trash. It's garbage. This disaster is being stage managed to minimise the fallout, and the actual people involved are being treated as obstacles to be overcome rather than victims who deserve compassion, support and dignity. The only support and solidarity that's been shown for these people is from their own brothers and sisters in the community.
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As for the standard of 70s buildings, khaaaaan is probably mostly correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4 Everytime there's a catastrophic fire like this, it's the result of a whole chain of failures, not a single flaw. So there's the cladding, the single escape route, the advice to stay put, probably flaws in the internal structure that allowed the fire to spread, the gas lines in the stairwell. The link between all of these things is a lack of regulation and enforcement and if those things weren't bad enough cuts to public services such as the fire brigade, nhs, police and housing have made the outcomes for everyone effect by this a lot worse. The tories are basically a teenager with their first car saying "it's more efficient if I don't pay for lessons, get a licence, MOT or insurance"
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Jun 18, 2017 13:55
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Crankit posted:The tories are basically a teenager with their first car saying "it's more efficient if I don't pay for lessons, get a licence, MOT or insurance" Specifically this one http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/12/12...iving-accident/
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Jun 18, 2017 13:58
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communism bitch posted:Standard procedures shouldn't be anywhere in operation here. We've got a (hopefully) once in a generation catastrophe that's picked up global attention, and an entirely inadequate response from every arm of the state with the exception of the emergency services themselves. The saddest thing is that this disaster is very much still ongoing. They've only just begun to try and recover bodies from the tower and the public have no idea how many have died. The outrage of people who have lost everything still being treated like human poo poo by the powers that be. Still, I get the impression that the wider general populace has already started to move on and mentally distance themselves from it. News moves too fast, and the apathy creeps back in.
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Jun 18, 2017 13:59
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Jose posted:My flat came with a fire extinguisher how do i find out how old it is and how do i get rid of it assuming i never use it? Regardless of what extinguisher you have to hand please please only use it on the correct type of fire and do your best to electrically isolate anything first. I'd strongly encourage anyone who might need one even for home use to look at the following resources if you're unsure. http://www.fcfnational.com.au/fire-extinguishers-australia/ (wait a sec this is the UK thread) http://www.firesafe.org.uk/portable-fire-extinguisher-general/ Generally speaking a standard water/foam mix is what you're after but they all have their uses. Also have a fire blanket for kitchen stuff. Also assume anything that gets squirted out is probably toxic despite the foam looking nice and inviting. You never know what mix is in there unless you filled it yourself. DancingShade fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Jun 18, 2017 13:59
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kingturnip posted:Neil Coyle is one of those MPs who's quoted by the press whenever they're struggling to meet their anti-Corbyn quota. Labour people at work were begging me to give a gently caress about my seat because "we can deselect him later but we can't deselect Simon Hughes if he wins.". I mean it works out but jesus loving christ I hate him.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:04
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How the gently caress do people like Coyle and Woodcock not get kicked out of the party already.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:05
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communism bitch posted:Standard procedures shouldn't be anywhere in operation here. We've got a (hopefully) once in a generation catastrophe that's picked up global attention, and an entirely inadequate response from every arm of the state with the exception of the emergency services themselves. Councils can't operate outside their standard operating procedures. When the procedure for the better part of a decade has been "gently caress anyone who needs us for anything at all, ever" the only thing they know how to do is malice. The council workers themselves are culpable in this and hell, when I did the job I was too. But if they want to help, what can they do? They can't release funding, an individual housing officer can't make a house available. All they have on offer is some mould-ridden shithole in preston and if they don't offer it in the full knowledge that no one would accept it their manager is going to want to know why and make them pay for it. Even quitting wouldn't help. Our institutions are designed to punish, not assist.
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DancingShade posted:Regardless of what extinguisher you have to hand please please only use it on the correct type of fire and do your best to electrically isolate anything first. I'd strongly encourage anyone who might need one even for home use to look at the following resources if you're unsure. Fire spins the opposite way in Australia and Australian fire extinguishers are NOT compatible with British fire. (Some STEM TWAT IDIOT will come in and give me a hard time because theyre ivory tower DICKWADS dont listen to them)
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Jun 18, 2017 14:14
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Lord of the Llamas posted:How the gently caress do people like Coyle and Woodcock not get kicked out of the party already. Woodcock actually did a mea culpa and said while he still disagrees with Corbyn on things he will pipe down. I'd understand if it was northern MPs kicking off cos there was a swing to the Tories up there but Corbyn got Coyle a swing towards him in Bermondsey.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:31
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Jose posted:My flat came with a fire extinguisher how do i find out how old it is and how do i get rid of it assuming i never use it? If you rent, shouldn't your landlord be obliged to check the fire extinguishers annually? Or am I being hopelessly naive?
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Jun 18, 2017 14:33
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Catzilla posted:If you rent, shouldn't your landlord be obliged to check the fire extinguishers annually? Or am I being hopelessly naive?
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Jun 18, 2017 14:35
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Whimsicalfuckery posted:This is sickening. Residents of Grenfell tower being moved as far away as Preston and one man who lost his wife dumped in a care home. This is awful, no one should ever have to go to Preston.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:35
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:Councils can't operate outside their standard operating procedures. When the procedure for the better part of a decade has been "gently caress anyone who needs us for anything at all, ever" the only thing they know how to do is malice. I've worked for big bureaucracies before (not a council though), and yeah, the rank & file are bound by a rigid and idiosyncratic rulebook. It is all they are paid, trained and expected to do, and if they don't they're first out the door when firing season comes around. Which is why what the council needs right now is actual loving leadership, either from elected councillors or elsewhere. The grunts are trying to weather this crisis the only way they know, someone has to tell them to do things differently. Bollocking or firing them is only going to lead to employment tribunals and a spate of leaks at best. If they keep this up, Kensington's going to be a safe red seat until 2030 at least, and the elected council's going to lose their jobs (and they'll be lucky if that's all they'll lose).
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Jun 18, 2017 14:37
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Remind me, does there need to be a trigger for a vote of no confidence, or can the opposition just fire one off for shits and giggles if they think the government won't have enough of a majority to block it?
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Jun 18, 2017 14:41
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Baron Corbyn posted:Woodcock actually did a mea culpa and said while he still disagrees with Corbyn on things he will pipe down. Wasn't it more like *magnanimously stating the obvious* hey everyone I was wrong Corbyn is actually popular I was just being robust *fails to mention threats to defect to the Tories if Corbyn was even more popular and there was one seat in it, tugs collar while looking at CLP nervously*
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Jun 18, 2017 14:42
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Whimsicalfuckery posted:The saddest thing is that this disaster is very much still ongoing. They've only just begun to try and recover bodies from the tower and the public have no idea how many have died. The outrage of people who have lost everything still being treated like human poo poo by the powers that be. Still, I get the impression that the wider general populace has already started to move on and mentally distance themselves from it. News moves too fast, and the apathy creeps back in. is this really true? isn't it still front page of all the papers?
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Jun 18, 2017 14:45
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Catzilla posted:If you rent, shouldn't your landlord be obliged to check the fire extinguishers annually? Or am I being hopelessly naive? Smoke detectors yes. I don't think extinguishers are even mandatory?
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Jun 18, 2017 14:45
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UrbicaMortis posted:This is awful, no one should ever have to go to Preston. I like Preston, even though its very flat. Preston is probably the easiest place outside London to get a job in the UK as its absolutely heaving with companies, its absurd how much its grown over the past 20 years. Think this was one of the reasons why one of its satellite towns was named best place to live in the UK by Channel 4 as its got tons of jobs, low house prices and its not a shithole.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:49
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Darth Walrus posted:Remind me, does there need to be a trigger for a vote of no confidence, or can the opposition just fire one off for shits and giggles if they think the government won't have enough of a majority to block it? Typically, the opposition waits until Opposition Day to table it, as at other times the government controls the Business of the Day.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:50
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feedmegin posted:Smoke detectors yes. I don't think extinguishers are even mandatory? Reading further, HMO's are required to have fire extinguishers and they should be serviced annually. Best practice suggests that fire extinguishers should be provided for flats also. Where I work the extinguishers are checked yearly, I was wondering if that is also a legal obligation on landlords where they also provide fire extinguishers?
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Jun 18, 2017 14:51
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feedmegin posted:Smoke detectors yes. I don't think extinguishers are even mandatory? Only mandatory in a HMO, or a single property shared by three or more separate tenants.Student houses, bedsits, flat conversions, etc. They come around with sticks to test the fire stuff every year, it's one of the few times we actually see the landlord.
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Sarah Bellum posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/876428178876760064 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Sarah Bellum posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/876428178876760064 I love people.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:58
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So.... the Kensington council is giving the survivors a tenner each from the millions that have been donated, and letting them sort the rest out themselves apparently: https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/876373882801991681
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Jun 18, 2017 15:00
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gently caress, what disgusting vultures. The SWP rushing to flog their papers was bad enough, but that is just loving gross.
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Jun 18, 2017 15:02
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communism bitch posted:So.... the Kensington council is giving the survivors a tenner each from the millions that have been donated, and letting them sort the rest out themselves apparently: What the actual gently caress?
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Jun 18, 2017 15:03
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vodkat posted:Its not even intentional, this is the usual disregard and disrespect which council tenants are treated too, only writ leave on the top of a tragedy. Yeah, this is standard procedure for a London Borough on homeless applications. While we don't seem to have anyone who know anyone from Grenfell here, I should note that Shelter have been asking around for anyone affected by the disaster to come to them if they need advice/advocacy on rehousing. quote:I've worked for big bureaucracies before (not a council though), and yeah, the rank & file are bound by a rigid and idiosyncratic rulebook. It is all they are paid, trained and expected to do, and if they don't they're first out the door when firing season comes around. Which is why what the council needs right now is actual loving leadership, either from elected councillors or elsewhere. The grunts are trying to weather this crisis the only way they know, someone has to tell them to do things differently. Bollocking or firing them is only going to lead to employment tribunals and a spate of leaks at best. Although I should note that with homelessness in particular, the internal procedures a council follows won't always match up with what the law actually requires of them. Seriously, if someone is seeking homelessness assistance from a council it's always worth talking to Shelter or CAB or a similar service as well just to check whether what the council have told you actually resembles what your legal rights are. Hidingo Kojimba fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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communism bitch posted:
Any kind of signing in/out system would of been decried as Orwellian surveillance and possibly illegal under the EDHR. The same with a register of occupants. The only paper trial would be for the lease holder only and with this being London that may not be the full time occupant of the flat. So unless we institute a actual singing in/out system for everyone in every high rise (long term and short term residents, guests, posties, delivery people, tradesmen) we will never know how many people are actively in the building at any one time. Even work places in high rise offices the evacuation plan is to always sweep the floors with fire marshals as it is impractical, and you have less rights to privacy and enjoyment of family life in the workplace. This is why you should have escape routes that can be fire free for 20 minutes and evacuation plans that every resident knows. Now both of these things were hosed in this case as well as the dodgy building material.
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EvilHawk posted:Seems pretty obvious what they're doing is spreading people as far apart as possible. They're not releasing the real numbers of missing/dead/survivors, so nobody knows how many people are still there. Moving people away so that it's harder to get a full total, organise protests etc., particularly with a predominantly working class/immigrant population who are less likely to cause trouble.
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TinTower posted:Typically, the opposition waits until Opposition Day to table it, as at other times the government controls the Business of the Day. Not to be confused with Opposite Day, when everyone talks backwards, they all sit on the ceiling, and The Lord of Misrule capers about the backbenches spreading confusion and dismay. He does that most days, of course, but he's usually more busy with his work as the Foreign Secretary.
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