Dragon Ballz megathread: French Goku

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Who is the man?? This poll is closed.
Goku	202	7.09%
Vegeta	279	9.79%
Krillin	208	7.30%
Piccolo or his nameks	212	7.44%
Gohan or Cool Gohan	135	4.74%
Yamcha	90	3.16%
Tien	120	4.21%
Muten Roshi	89	3.12%
Tao Pai Pai	71	2.49%
Frieza	69	2.42%
Cell or an android	86	3.02%
Buu	62	2.18%
Hercule "Mark" Satan	327	11.48%
Videl	90	3.16%
Bulma	104	3.65%
Yajirobe	99	3.47%
Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy	68	2.39%
King kai or another kai	53	1.86%
Chi-Chi	83	2.91%
Goten	43	1.51%
Trunks or Cool Trunks	112	3.93%
Bardock	48	1.68%
Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!)	41	1.44%
Uub	42	1.47%
Oolong	90	3.16%
Zamasu	26	0.91%
Total:	1326 votes

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Caros: May 14, 2008

Manatee Cannon posted:

where does the 3 years come from

Goku spends three years with Vegeta in the hypersonic lion tamer before the U6 tournament. Its where we got bearded Goku from.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:33

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 02:41

Aurora: Jan 7, 2008

Also:

Tao kicks Goku's rear end, Goku goes and trains with Korin, Goku clowns Tao

King Piccolo kicks Goku's rear end while old, Goku receives ultra divine water and is on Full Power Piccolo's level

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:34

Manatee Cannon: Aug 26, 2010

I don't remember bearded goku

did he go super saiyan with the beard

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:35

Aurora: Jan 7, 2008

No, Bulma made them shower and shave before they left

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:36

Cease to Hope: Dec 12, 2011

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:42

Caros: May 14, 2008

CharlestheHammer posted:

Lol someone is arguing power levels were ever consistent.

Power Levels, as in the thing you get from scouters never were. In universe power scaling? It made sense within the rules given.

Pureauthor posted:

Goku trains for a year with King Kai: goes from Weaker-Than-RaditZ tier to Vegeta tier.

Goku trains for like a week in space: goes from Vegeta tier to 'clowning on entire Ginyu force tier'.

Goku gets beat up and healed once: Goes from 'clowning on Ginyu force' tier to 'matching 33% of Final Form Freeza' tier.

This is actually my point. Goku gets wrecked by Radditz, goes to train with someone new and comes back much stronger. Goku trains under extreme conditions (and abuses Zenkai) and gets very strong very fast and so forth. The specific numbers are stupid, but the internal logic is there. You know there is another level to reach, you devise some new method to reach it. Whether that is training in gravity, mastering super saiyan, ascending beyond, fusion, crazy ritual etc. Even Freeza gets substantially stronger, and we are given an in universe reason why that makes sense.

The only difference with Super is that it lacks a bunch of these, which leads to really, really weird interactions.

Goku fights Goku Black and clowns on him. Goku Black gets stronger for... reasons. Repeat for the entirety of the arc. Goku black is constantly powering up for reasons that are never adequately explained. He just is.

Goku gathers all of the various fighters, some of whom have drastically increased in strength in the course of an afternoon. Gohan went from being a chump to, apparently, being able to fight with SSJB Goku in the midst of an afternoon based on nothing more than Piccolo smacktalking him about how bad he sucked. Piccolo also somehow reached the ability to fight with a God Ki wielding character off screen. I guess. As did Tien, apparently.

Characters in dragonball have always increased their power by leaps and bounds in very short time periods. The difference with super is that in a lot of times they're not even bothering with the flimsy pretext. Whether that is good or bad is a different argument entirely.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:46

Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

Caros posted:

Power Levels, as in the thing you get from scouters never were. In universe power scaling? It made sense within the rules given.

The rules given being "what is convenient for the plot at the moment"

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:49

Rhonne: Feb 13, 2012

Little Mac posted:

I think that was my favorite episode of Super. Freeza is very, very scary. Seeing him struggle with the Destruction Ball and try to turn on everyone was great. What is the way out of this horrible, horrible deal Goku made?

Make a wish on the Dragon Balls to have Frieza and Frost trade universes. He'll be their problem and Goku just has to deal with Frieza's much weaker/more cowardly version.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:50

Sea Lily: Aug 5, 2007; Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.

I enjoy the stuff happening with Freeza right now a lot more than I did when he had the Resurrection F stuff happen, and I think it's because we're getting something different with Frieza this time. He's being put into new situations and interacting with a lot of new characters but he's still a total piece of poo poo and it's great. But in RoF he was just like "im gonna kill that goku" which wasn't super interesting beyond the gimmick of him being back from the dead. it was just too similar to what happened in the Namek saga

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:55

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Caros posted:

Power Levels, as in the thing you get from scouters never were. In universe power scaling? It made sense within the rules given.

This is actually my point. Goku gets wrecked by Radditz, goes to train with someone new and comes back much stronger. Goku trains under extreme conditions (and abuses Zenkai) and gets very strong very fast and so forth. The specific numbers are stupid, but the internal logic is there. You know there is another level to reach, you devise some new method to reach it. Whether that is training in gravity, mastering super saiyan, ascending beyond, fusion, crazy ritual etc. Even Freeza gets substantially stronger, and we are given an in universe reason why that makes sense.

The only difference with Super is that it lacks a bunch of these, which leads to really, really weird interactions.

Goku fights Goku Black and clowns on him. Goku Black gets stronger for... reasons. Repeat for the entirety of the arc. Goku black is constantly powering up for reasons that are never adequately explained. He just is.

Goku gathers all of the various fighters, some of whom have drastically increased in strength in the course of an afternoon. Gohan went from being a chump to, apparently, being able to fight with SSJB Goku in the midst of an afternoon based on nothing more than Piccolo smacktalking him about how bad he sucked. Piccolo also somehow reached the ability to fight with a God Ki wielding character off screen. I guess. As did Tien, apparently.

Characters in dragonball have always increased their power by leaps and bounds in very short time periods. The difference with super is that in a lot of times they're not even bothering with the flimsy pretext. Whether that is good or bad is a different argument entirely.

Remember when Krillin and co trained with Kami to become three times as strong as Goku did when he trained with Kami in like a third of the time.

Because I do.

Remember when Goku chased a cat for three days and nearly doubled his power

CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jun 18, 2017

# ? Jun 18, 2017 07:58

Nodosaur: Dec 23, 2014

Remember when Piccolo fused with Kami, a guy who paled before the likes of Vegeta, let alone the androids, and became as strong as Android 17 and first form Cell?

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:06

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Hell Kami couldn't beat Piccolo.

The one who got owned by Raditz.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:08

Ammat The Ankh: Sep 7, 2010; Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

Resurrecting Freeza is both the dumbest idea ever and the most Goku idea ever.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:10

Gruckles: Mar 11, 2013

CharlestheHammer posted:

Lol you think Goku is gonna bother making a team.

He is gonna solo the tourney.

Lol if you think the manga is ever going to move away from fighting Zamasu.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:19

graham cracker: Mar 8, 2004; "There is no God! Right, Mama?"

"True."

Ammat The Ankh posted:

Resurrecting Freeza is both the dumbest idea ever and the most Goku idea ever.

Imagine a venn diagram, there's one circle labeled "dumb ideas" and one circle labeled "Goku ideas".

Now imagine them completely overlapping each other.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:21

Kild: Apr 24, 2010

http://imgur.com/a/ola3h

ArcSys is good.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:21

Onmi: Jul 12, 2013; If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

I'm sorry we had multiple pages here and not one of them pointing out how Frieza just Hokuto no Ken'd some dudes.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:42

Carlosologist: Oct 13, 2013; Revelry in the Dark

Freeza going all Kenshiro on those dudes was great. I feel that this arc will end with Freeza either becoming a GoD, or just getting totally erased in the opening round

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:59

Momomo: Dec 26, 2009; Dont judge me, I design your manhole

That was a drat good episode. I'm a bit worried though, do you think that maybe resurrecting Frieza was a bad idea?

# ? Jun 18, 2017 08:59

Raxivace: Sep 9, 2014

RoF at the very least saved Frieza from being completely trapped in Joke Villain Status that he'd been in a for a long rear end time. Like they're even making fun of how weak Frieza is in the 2008 JSAT special, to say nothing of how he gets Saitama'd in Movie 12 or how GT treats him.

It's interesting too how Frieza keeps actually taking Goku's advice to some extent. When he gets revived the first time he decides to actually train. When Goku mentions the thing about stamina at the end of RoF, that's the one thing Frieza focuses on improving in hell just on the off chance he might be able to escape or get revived again. It very much reminds me of how on Namek, Vegeta tries adopting tactics the Earthlings used against him.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 09:25

Shinjobi: Jul 10, 2008; Gravy Boat 2k

Dragon Ball is about self improvement. Goku can't teach to save his life, but he can easily point out your flaws to you so that you can try to fix them yourself.

:shrug:

# ? Jun 18, 2017 09:31

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

<- me this whole episode

also :ughh:

goku you loving idiot

# ? Jun 18, 2017 10:07

Stallion Cabana: Feb 14, 2012; 1; Get into Grad School

2; Become better at playing Tabletop, both as a player and as a GM/ST/W/E

~~3; Get rid of this goddamn avatar.~~

Caros posted:

Goku gathers all of the various fighters, some of whom have drastically increased in strength in the course of an afternoon. Gohan went from being a chump to, apparently, being able to fight with SSJB Goku in the midst of an afternoon based on nothing more than Piccolo smacktalking him about how bad he sucked. Piccolo also somehow reached the ability to fight with a God Ki wielding character off screen. I guess. As did Tien, apparently.

This isn't exactly right. Tien was getting decimated in that fight; he is very clearly not near as strong as Piccolo, Gohan, or Goku and very quickly was like 'okay this is way too much for me', while Gohan had to beg his dad to actually go all out and got defeated in one punch once he did.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 11:03

Rangpur: Dec 31, 2008

Just resurrect Frieza in whichever universe has the highest caliber of mortals. You know, the ones who don't have to participate in the tournament because they're just that good. He'd still be an evil prick, but relative to everyone else in that universe he'd be Mr. Satan. Solves the problem, fulfills the letter of the deal and it's properly ironic. I mean, can you imagine a fate that would make him angrier?

# ? Jun 18, 2017 13:18

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Rangpur posted:

Just resurrect Frieza in whichever universe has the highest caliber of mortals. You know, the ones who don't have to participate in the tournament because they're just that good. He'd still be an evil prick, but relative to everyone else in that universe he'd be Mr. Satan. Solves the problem, fulfills the letter of the deal and it's properly ironic. I mean, can you imagine a fate that would make him angrier?

So Frost

# ? Jun 18, 2017 13:38

Electric Phantasm: Apr 7, 2011; YOSPOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP1v6UtRBHY

# ? Jun 18, 2017 13:52

The Skeep: Sep 15, 2007; That Chicken sure loves to drum...sticks

Goku could just... you know... not actually resurrect Frieza.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 13:59

Momomo: Dec 26, 2009; Dont judge me, I design your manhole

The Skeep posted:

Goku could just... you know... not actually resurrect Frieza.

That would be very rude.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 14:07

Sindai: Jan 24, 2007; i want to achieve immortality through not dying

The Skeep posted:

Goku could just... you know... not actually resurrect Frieza.

But if Goku starts lying, how would we know he's the good guy?

# ? Jun 18, 2017 14:07

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

The Skeep posted:

Goku could just... you know... not actually resurrect Frieza.

Goku isn't going to do it, he will make Bulma resurrect Freeza just like he made her fulfill all of his other promises.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 14:40

CharlestonJew: Jul 7, 2011; Illegal Hen

With the way the show keeps telling us Frieza has something planned and he's totally going to try to pull some poo poo at the tournament, I think our boy's going to get his poo poo erased. Frieza thinks he's this big chessmaster but it seems like everyone (except Goku, and probably Zeno by extension) sees right through him

# ? Jun 18, 2017 15:09

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Was there a rule forbidding gods from entering the tournament?

# ? Jun 18, 2017 15:13

Blaze Dragon: Aug 28, 2013; LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Sindai posted:

But if Goku starts lying, how would we know he's the good guy?

Goku's the good guy?

bowmore posted:

Was there a rule forbidding gods from entering the tournament?

Considering the Gods had to recruit 10 mortals for the tournament, we can guess so, yeah. Besides, if that wasn't the case, you know every GoD would jump right in.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 15:27

Batmasterson: Dec 7, 2010; Bang Bang Bang

I was on the fence about Freeza being a last minute replacement, but the last 2 episodes have been insanely good. He is fun, he brings a unique dynamic, and they are definitely foreshadowing him becoming a future god of destruction.

# ? Jun 18, 2017 16:53