OwlFancier posted:

I mean that's theoretically true if you happen to be in charge of the state.

rkajdi posted:

No chance that guy gets anywhere in the long term. He's too dumb to keep his head down, and not charismatic enough to actually run things. Being seen and not in charge just makes you a target when someone gets too paranoid about internal threats.

He'd make an excellent fascist leader, though. I mean, considering he just has to matchup with idiots who do things like start an unprovoked war with an erstwhile ally or just fail to move his economy onto war footing until years into a major conflict, I figure a half educated blowhard would fit right in.

Groovelord Neato posted:

is it really hard to fathom twitter hiring someone to actually look at reports? shadowbanning for using potty words at shitlords is baby poo poo.

and yes they could've banned the president and it probably would've been the moral thing to do. keeping him on also hosed them out of a sale at one point lol

rkajdi posted:

But it's not the guys at the bottom actually fighting. It's the white chuds halfway up the ladder that realize that they are losing the unearned privilege they got from being born white, straight, and in the developed world. Sorry, it's patently obvious what they want on both the left and right side of populism, and it sure as poo poo isn't anything like equality. It's going to be yet another attempt by the undeserving poor whites of America to gently caress with everyone who passed them by because they aren't useless. And gently caress up the system that actually allows the world to function and minimize human warfare after not one but two war wrecking wars in a fifty year period.


Again, the point. It's more white workers paradise bullshit. Screw that, if I wanted to here from some fake woke loser about how feminism and LGBT rights aren't really important and how we need to create a replacement for old school authoritarian poo poo religions, I'd listen to one of the morons we are lampooning in this thread.

Groovelord Neato posted:

they should cut down on their massive r&d budget since it seems to have only got us a new ui.

Mr Interweb posted:

What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me.

Fados posted:

Holy poo poo, take a look at this loving hyperliberal. So is this what the rationals are talking about when they mention virtue signaling?

Hellbunny posted:

Naaaw "virtue signaling" is some dumb bullshit. Watch hbomberguy's video on it.

This is just aggressive liberalism to the point of basically accepting horrible suffering for minority's, as long as privileged whites also suffer.

Mr Interweb posted:

What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me.

Groovelord Neato posted:

is it really hard to fathom twitter hiring someone to actually look at reports?

Mr Interweb posted:

What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me.

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah, I think he was part of the group that invented it. He claimed that if enough people went along with it as a write-in option on the census, it would meet the British government's definition of an ethnicity.

Manchild discovers social constructs dot txt

rkajdi posted:

No, it's not trusting populists (i.e. identity politics for the white working class) to not just do what happened the last few times they've gotten in charge. Sorry I don't trust a political movement with a fairly awful track record on minority issues not to do the same thing it's done several times before and screw over a bunch of people on the way to maybe elevating some lower class whites. You get that the New Deal was a failure for all minorities, right? And all the left populist movements in the West are still fighting against things like immigration and increased international unification. It's like people aren't going to be happy until we have another major global war.

Somfin posted:

Do you have any idea how loving much data Twitter gets through on a second-by-second basis

Like, can you even comprehend the idea of hiring "someone", even a team, even a large team, to deal with the sheer volume of the tweets that get reported?

I want you to tell me how long it would take you to determine that a) the report was valid, given that you're also asking for b) the circumstances of the tweet to be taken into account and c) the identities of both the tweeter and the @s to be assessed.

Fados posted:

Funny thing about universal human rights or the welfare state is that although at first they in were in some way made as de facto the rights of 'whites' or nationals, because they were nominally universal, it eventually opened the door for minorities to ask to be included in those same rights. Eg: the Haitian revolution. It's some big historical revisionism from your part to single handedly hand-wave away all the fights in past centuries of the mainly white western working class as populist racism that must necessarily lead to totalitarian gulags or concentration camps.

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It's especially pernicious when most of your posts in this thread make ample use of terms of chud, underemployed, bernout or whatever when referring to white workers angst against free-market policies loving their livelihood (even ignoring how it also fucks it's supposed foreign beneficiaries). It's implied in your post that white working class angst must always be related with laziness or some lack of a randian bootstrapps spirit, even if you're self aware enough not to be ranting about John Galt. It's implied that you think the free market will solve all problems etc, which makes you a dumb elitist left Fukuyamaist, which uses minorities as a cover for your lovely free market fundamentalism.

Midig posted:

Same goes for youtube, both are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to videos getting strikes, taken down etc. and it is simply because such a system can't have real people monitoring it during all stages of such a process.

Zikan posted:

Jeremy Corbyn, just as dangerous as Donald Trump and Carl of Swindon.

rkajdi posted:

If he's going to push Brexit, he certainly is.

rkajdi posted:

Helsing posted:

"Globalization" is a phrase of relatively recent vintage that has typically been used to naturalize highly political decisions about cross-boarder patterns of investment. Objections to "globalization" aren't generally isolationist, just look at how people in the anti-globalization movement also tend to be pro-immigrant, pro-refugee and often call for "fair trade" alternatives.

The principal objection of the "anti-globalization" movement has always been focused on flows of capital and investment rather than trading food or goods. Sometimes the phrases or terminology used by activists can obscure this but it becomes pretty apparent if you actually engage people in conversation or get a broader sense of their views.

"Free trade" is really "managed trade" and major trade deals have tended to include clauses that have very little to do with trade, per se, and more to do with securing extremely favourable conditions for a certain kind of cross-boarder investment. Installing ISDS panels, locking in ridiculous copy-right and patent laws, reducing the scope of government action in some areas while mandating it in others (i.e. no nationalization or extensive new regulation, but obligations to enforce intellectual property laws), etc. are political decisions that favour certain domestic interest groups at the expense of other groups. People who organize against these changes aren't isolationist - if anything they are among the parts of society most inclined toward an internationalist outlook. They just aren't inclined to support corporate welfare schemes that masquerade as trade deals.

rkajdi posted:

But I'm a dirty "elitist" who thinks we should be pushing educated and intelligent people forward, so I guess you can finish accusing me of being a double secret libertarian or whatever is the current boogeyman of the hour.

Fados posted:

Fine, I'm glad you're not a complete idiot as I thought. In a way I'm with you that populism is never as such an emancipatory category: angst is but a symptom which can be channeled for both good or bad change. Populism, seen as «giving the people what they want» is not sufficiently precise, even left populism (one should always be careful for who is left out). I'm also for globalism or whatever you want to call it, which means basically that there are a series of global problems which require global answers. But I still get the feeling from your post that you're deeply suspiciously of anyone who is critical of the current international norms, which although one doesn't want to simply tear down, one should definitely fight for their change: quoting a good post from CanPol thread on this:

Guavanaut posted:

The EU is literally a protectionist eurocentric colonial winners club with some other >97% white countries tacked on for 'common values', but runs an internal market that agitates against state aid and in favor of transferring money from workers to landowners.

Internationalism is good, solidarity of workers across all continents is good. Paneuropean nationalism and economic liberalism is the worst of both worlds as they act like nationalists when dealing with Africa and Asia and capitalists when dealing with their own inhabitants.

The majority of people in the UK who voted Leave probably did not do so because they had read the criticisms coming out of India Today or the African press, and Brexit will likely be a disaster for the UK and some other wealthy countries, which will probably harm the poorest in those countries mainly due to their failure to address internal wealth imbalance, but you can't use that as a reason for apologetics for the European Union, a bloc with immense historical privilege that still benefits from the continued looting of French former colonies, and then turn around and say that you're against those whites putting themselves before other groups.

rkajdi posted:

The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off.

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It's also always telling when you're on the same side of a position as Nigel Farange.

rkajdi posted:

The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen.

rkajdi posted:

The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen.

Dmitri-9 posted:

Modern countries are organized around serving the needs of their citizens. It is actually a written assumption, written in the US, written in Canada, written in the EU, or else why would they bother to give the right to EU citizens to work in any EU country. Are you going to found a consensus world government to arbitrate for everyone?

rkajdi posted:

The solution is immigration, like the US was founded on since day one. If the best fit is an immigrant over the a lower value domestic worker, you don't give it to the latter just because he was born on the "right" side of an arbitrary border (also maybe falling into more arcane rules depending on how poo poo your nation is) Again, it's funny how people who are fighting against Affirmative Action for people who are actually disadvantaged are willing to give it to people who only have an arbitrary nation in common. Sorry, nationalism and patriotism are a cancer and need to go the way of other broken 20th century ideas.

Supporting this kind of broken thinking is the reason we came here to mock these YouTube alt righters. They love god (or lack of it) and ethnicity and country because without it they have nothing and are nothing. If you're actually put upon for these things, I get making a shared identity out of your oppression. But the most oppression these guys have seen is when their mom told them to make their own pizza rolls. I'm fine giving them UBI, but actually giving them a job because they need self-worth is just the stupidest possible thing. Bring in someone from overseas with actual training and skills to get the job done right, and use the police to suppress these guys when they inevitably try to harass the people actually doing something for "stealing their jobs/women/pride". If these Western hikikomori would just stay docile in their parent's basements and not harass actually productive people, nobody would care one way or another what happens in their meaningless little lives. But like always they have to rock the boat, otherwise the might have to entertain themselves without their precious murder simulators and hentai.

rkajdi posted:

Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left.

rkajdi posted:

The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen.

rkajdi posted:

Remember, the people I'm talking about are somehow convinced Mr. Obama is some sort of right-winger since he didn't hang CEO corpses from the White House fence and commit to Full Communism Now.It's an attempt to create a left Tea Party, with all the horrible implications that would involve.

Groovelord Neato posted:

obama was right of center, as is his party.