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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Unless something changes in the draft or we go back to pulling unknowns from Sweden (which isn't possible anymore thanks to everyone catching on to that trick) the wings are pretty hosed The Wings are hosed until Ken Holland is removed, and the damage he wrought is cleaned up.
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AsInHowe posted:The Wings are hosed until Ken Holland is removed, and the damage he wrought is cleaned up. Yup And the owner isn't about to fire his dead dad's favourite guy
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Jun 18, 2017 20:48
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Yup The owner's dead dad's favorite guy is Steve Yzerman, so
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Jun 18, 2017 20:49
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AsInHowe posted:The owner's dead dad's favorite guy is Steve Yzerman, so Ok second favourite guy
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Jun 18, 2017 20:51
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The probability of Stevie coming back is closer to 0 than we all would like to think
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:The probability of Stevie coming back is closer to 0 than we all would like to think Stevie is way more likely to come back than you think. But, Ken Holland might move the franchise, and if coming back is a relative term, sure Stevie might not come back
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Jun 18, 2017 20:58
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AsInHowe posted:Stevie is way more likely to come back than you think. Lmao. Why would Steve leave tampa? For the uhh new pizza palace? To clean up the mess of the guy ownership chose instead? To move back to Detroit? Stop me when I'm getting close.
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Jun 18, 2017 21:08
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grack posted:Apparently Gaunce was the guy LV was coveting. It would suck to lose him but I guess the Canucks have a lot of mediocre two-way centres in the org already. Good thing Brandon "cornerstone for years to come" Sutter was protected
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Jun 18, 2017 21:09
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Scorchy posted:Good thing Brandon "cornerstone for years to come" Sutter was protected At least they didn't feel it was necessary to protect Derek "fan favourite as per organizational decree" Dorsett, so maybe they'll see sense about Sutter in time for the Seattle expansion draft.
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Jun 18, 2017 21:12
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uh, I think you mean Brandon "Foundational Piece" Sutter good thing we got that strong foundation going guys not a rebuild not a rebuild, you're the rebuild
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Wonderllama posted:Lmao. Why would Steve leave tampa? For the uhh new pizza palace? To clean up the mess of the guy ownership chose instead? To move back to Detroit? Stop me when I'm getting close. Yeah basically this. The only reason he would come back now that the old man is dead is because he could be labeled the saviour of the Red Wings and Stevie is a pretty shy and humble guy so I don't see it happening unless he got a massive fuckin paycheque The only difference between Tampa and Detroit is the weather and Detroit has more jobs lmao
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Jun 18, 2017 21:17
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Yeah basically this. The only reason he would come back now that the old man is dead is because he could be labeled the saviour of the Red Wings and Stevie is a pretty shy and humble guy so I don't see it happening unless he got a massive fuckin paycheque Yeah that's true but you forgot no state tax and a better team that he hand built from scratch? Also a better owner and Cuban sandwiches. That last one might only be a bonus to me.
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Jun 18, 2017 21:19
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I was in both cities in 2014 and I saw way more methheads and homeless in Tampa Yzerman is never coming back, let it go
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Teemu Pokemon posted:I was in both cities in 2014 and I saw way more methheads and homeless in Tampa Well, at least the weather is nicer in Tampa
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Jun 18, 2017 21:21
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Well yeah I mean if you're gonna be homeless who would pick Detroit?
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Jun 18, 2017 21:22
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Stevie still has his entire family and home in Detroit, and a big faction of the Wings think he is coming back, along with sources close to the family. But if you like meatheads and novelty strip clubs, go to Tampa
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Jun 18, 2017 21:24
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JawKnee posted:good thing we got that strong foundation going guys  Real solid. Rips the puck real good.
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N: Andrew Shaw is protected. V: ok
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Jun 18, 2017 21:31
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The Red Wings protected Abdelakder in the draft as to not hurt the feelings of the guy Holland wants as the next captain
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Suspicious posted:N: Andrew Shaw is protected. To surprise of absolutely no one.
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Jun 18, 2017 22:07
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I can't get all assed up about Detroit's protection list after getting my peepers on the exposed list. Holland hosed the team long before this expansion draft.
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Ryan Murray being protected makes me think they're gonna try and use him as a piece in a Big Fuckin' Trade for Duchene/Tavares/Eberle/Other Potential #1C.
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Jun 18, 2017 22:13
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Every now and then I think about how funny it was when that guy posted a story of how he hurt Luca Sbisa's feelings, and then months and months later a newspaper ran an interview with Sbisa and he brought up the same story.
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It's real weird that the team whose narrative their entire playoff run was "can the Penguins pull off the Stanley Cup with defensemen this bad?" chose to protect 4F/4D.Hip Now and Wow! posted:It's hard to question the staff that put together back to back Stanley cups, the last one with a defense crew comprised of wishes and bubblegum, but I'm not certain I like exposing rust and protecting Maatta. Of course it could be moot if they already have some kinda deal for flower. There is no rational reason for Vegas to take MAF rather than Rust unless the Pens are giving them some encouragement in the form of draft picks. If Vegas straight up just drafts MAF that'll be a solid indicator that Marketing has too much input into picking the roster e: Also it pains me to type this because I love Hornqvist so much but protecting him and exposing Rust is insane. Hornqvist is 30 and has 1 year left on his contract (at $4.75M), Rust is 24 and still a year way from *restricted* free agency. I mean in the end it's just Bryan Rust and the Pens still have more good forwards than they know what to do with for now. But a habit of getting sentimental with your roster and cap space is a good way to end up in cap hell and/or with fatally little depth. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Jun 18, 2017 22:19
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Vegas does need to hit the salary floor so they have to take some players with salary and guys like Rust don't really help there.
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cenotaph posted:Vegas does need to hit the salary floor so they have to take some players with salary and guys like Rust don't really help there. Hitting the salary floor is real easy if you collect high picks or good young players from other teams to take their bad contracts (as is rumored with Clarkson)
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Jun 18, 2017 22:26
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Vegas also has a lower floor than other teams to start. 60% of the cap, iirc, which is like $45mil.
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Wow, yeah that's pretty low. I do think that Rust is more replaceable than a guy like Hornqvist, though.
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Iodised QQ posted:If the Isles give up a first and lose de Haan anyway you know this is what's going to happen.
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cenotaph posted:Wow, yeah that's pretty low. I do think that Rust is more replaceable than a guy like Hornqvist, though. At some point after the draft they have to get it up higher so there could still be trades, but they don't have to think about salary so much during their draft. I don't know what the date is where they have to hit the league-wide floor; maybe 1st day of the season.
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glynnenstein posted:At some point after the draft they have to get it up higher so there could still be trades, but they don't have to think about salary so much during their draft. I don't know what the date is where they have to hit the league-wide floor; maybe 1st day of the season. Somehow I have been reading about the expansion draft for a year and managed to forget this stuff. 
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AsInHowe posted:The Red Wings protected Abdelakder in the draft as to not hurt the feelings of the guy Holland wants as the next captain I swear to Christ I would never watch another Red Wings game again as long as I live
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's real weird that the team whose narrative their entire playoff run was "can the Penguins pull off the Stanley Cup with defensemen this bad?" chose to protect 4F/4D. Agreed on Rust but at least they kept a solid player who's fun to watch. Doubt that the Pens D would have been so maligned if Letang had been healthy, so 4D isn't too weird on the surface. That being said, keeping Maatta over protecting 3 forwards is odd. I'll hope that they have medical info suggesting that his various recoveries blunted his development and that there's reason for optimism. Either way, they kept two rad dudes.
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Teemu Pokemon posted:I swear to Christ I would never watch another Red Wings game again as long as I live Holland thinks that Blashill is a great asset as coach, because people will want a team with the first Michigan-born Red Wings coach. Just like the first Michigan-born captain, Muskegon's own, Justin Abdelkader
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's real weird that the team whose narrative their entire playoff run was "can the Penguins pull off the Stanley Cup with defensemen this bad?" chose to protect 4F/4D. Maf is more valuable than Rust in terms of what he'd contribute to a team in the short term so if they're going for win now he's definitely the better pick.
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Vegas isn't going to win-now, but considering MAF's reputation for being very good in the locker room while his role was taken over by an up-and-coming goalie, he'd be good for that. I could see them grabbing MAF, Grubauer, and Raanta, then trading the latter to a team who wants him right now.
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I don't buy that Rust is worth more than MAF. We've never really seen him perform without Malkin or Crosby present. MAF just had a dope playoff run and is good for a 91-92% in the regular season. He's also one of the best locker room presence's in the game, and I think Vegas is going to need that their first season.
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Rust is a dime-a-dozen player, there are quite a few other wingers who could put up 30 points in less favorable situations. He's younger and cheaper, but he also played with Sidney loving Crosby and put up fewer points than Dustin Brown. I think the pick from the Pens mostly depends on whether or not they want MAF to start for them, or if they're confident in starting Raanta or Grubauer.
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Zodijackylite posted:Rust is a dime-a-dozen player, there are quite a few other wingers who could put up 30 points in less favorable situations. He's younger and cheaper, but he also played with Sidney loving Crosby and put up fewer points than Dustin Brown. or Mrazek or Pickard. There are some legit goalies available. I don't think I'd take MAF without the Pens giving me something if I were McPhee.
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From another angle, picking MAF gets you a charismatic dude to put on billboards and trot out in front of the media. I don't know if that's something Vegas would actually factor in, but it's a consideration I've seen thrown around. Plus the three cups looks good in that regard.
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