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Every regressive shitlord thinks they'll be a member of the party when the blackshirts take over. They might be carrying a card but that hasn't done a lot of people good historically. The need of an enemy in fascism means the knives turn inward.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean that's theoretically true if you happen to be in charge of the state. I suddenly have a weird image of Sargon being the representative of the "Left Wing" of a fascist party and getting Long Knived. Fascism is, by definition, totalitarianism. Communism has a myriad forms but fascist doctrine is explicit that every last individual is merely a cog in the machine, a cell in the body of the State. Sargon would be nothing and if he did manage to become something, he'd be purged for it.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 18:43 |
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is it really hard to fathom twitter hiring someone to actually look at reports? shadowbanning for using potty words at shitlords is baby poo poo. and yes they could've banned the president and it probably would've been the moral thing to do. keeping him on also hosed them out of a sale at one point lol
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 19:15 |
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It's already been mention Twitter isn't really profitable. Considering its volume a proper moderation team would probably be sizable. I can easily seem them balking at the costs outside of being privileged douches who don't see the problem.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 19:20 |
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they should cut down on their massive r&d budget since it seems to have only got us a new ui.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 19:29 |
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Can't wait for the Trump Administration to push for Congress to pass a bailout bill for Twitter.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 22:42 |
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rkajdi posted:No chance that guy gets anywhere in the long term. He's too dumb to keep his head down, and not charismatic enough to actually run things. Being seen and not in charge just makes you a target when someone gets too paranoid about internal threats. oh yeah definatly. i am just saying he would last longer under facism then any strain of communism. he would be one of the first against the walls under them. Groovelord Neato posted:is it really hard to fathom twitter hiring someone to actually look at reports? shadowbanning for using potty words at shitlords is baby poo poo. twitter sucks rear end and i never used it myself but i can sorta understand why they havent banned him. if they ban trump, it will be a massive loving online/media shitshow. the alt right would probaly burn the site to the ground. and i am sure trump would either just use the potus account or sue.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 00:39 |
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I want to see Sargon do a struggle session. Youtube under socialism becomes a people's court where enemies of the revolution face justice.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 00:54 |
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rkajdi posted:But it's not the guys at the bottom actually fighting. It's the white chuds halfway up the ladder that realize that they are losing the unearned privilege they got from being born white, straight, and in the developed world. Sorry, it's patently obvious what they want on both the left and right side of populism, and it sure as poo poo isn't anything like equality. It's going to be yet another attempt by the undeserving poor whites of America to gently caress with everyone who passed them by because they aren't useless. And gently caress up the system that actually allows the world to function and minimize human warfare after not one but two war wrecking wars in a fifty year period. Holy poo poo, take a look at this loving hyperliberal. So is this what the rationals are talking about when they mention virtue signaling?
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 00:58 |
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What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me.Groovelord Neato posted:they should cut down on their massive r&d budget since it seems to have only got us a new ui. I don't know why they did that. The old one looked and worked just fine. This new one keeps telling me I have a notification, even though I keep checking it and nothing shows up!
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 01:24 |
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Mr Interweb posted:What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me. 1/36th Cherokee.
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Fados posted:Holy poo poo, take a look at this loving hyperliberal. So is this what the rationals are talking about when they mention virtue signaling? Naaaw "virtue signaling" is some dumb bullshit. Watch hbomberguy's video on it. This is just aggressive liberalism to the point of basically accepting horrible suffering for minority's, as long as privileged whites also suffer.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 02:49 |
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Hellbunny posted:Naaaw "virtue signaling" is some dumb bullshit. Watch hbomberguy's video on it. No, it's not trusting populists (i.e. identity politics for the white working class) to not just do what happened the last few times they've gotten in charge. Sorry I don't trust a political movement with a fairly awful track record on minority issues not to do the same thing it's done several times before and screw over a bunch of people on the way to maybe elevating some lower class whites. You get that the New Deal was a failure for all minorities, right? And all the left populist movements in the West are still fighting against things like immigration and increased international unification. It's like people aren't going to be happy until we have another major global war. Mr Interweb posted:What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me. If he's not white, it's probably he's Syrian or Lebanese. But odds are that he's pushing something like "I'm not white, I'm Polish/British/Irish/etc". I guess this is less crap in Europe, but I doubt he's using it to argue in good faith instead of just muddying the waters like his "I'm a Liberal" stuff.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 09:03 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:is it really hard to fathom twitter hiring someone to actually look at reports? Do you have any idea how loving much data Twitter gets through on a second-by-second basis Like, can you even comprehend the idea of hiring "someone", even a team, even a large team, to deal with the sheer volume of the tweets that get reported? I want you to tell me how long it would take you to determine that a) the report was valid, given that you're also asking for b) the circumstances of the tweet to be taken into account and c) the identities of both the tweeter and the @s to be assessed.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 10:23 |
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Mr Interweb posted:What ethnicity is Sargon? He says he's not White, which surprised me. Half Furby. More seriously I believe he's one of those idiots who pretends to be 'Kekistani' to make fun of actual racism.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 10:37 |
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Yeah, I think he was part of the group that invented it. He claimed that if enough people went along with it as a write-in option on the census, it would meet the British government's definition of an ethnicity. Manchild discovers social constructs dot txt
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 10:43 |
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Mind you if we're going by blood then I believe his ethnicity is half ethanol.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 10:46 |
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, I think he was part of the group that invented it. He claimed that if enough people went along with it as a write-in option on the census, it would meet the British government's definition of an ethnicity. Also put your religion as jedi so the government has to give you life day off.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 12:56 |
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rkajdi posted:No, it's not trusting populists (i.e. identity politics for the white working class) to not just do what happened the last few times they've gotten in charge. Sorry I don't trust a political movement with a fairly awful track record on minority issues not to do the same thing it's done several times before and screw over a bunch of people on the way to maybe elevating some lower class whites. You get that the New Deal was a failure for all minorities, right? And all the left populist movements in the West are still fighting against things like immigration and increased international unification. It's like people aren't going to be happy until we have another major global war. It's especially pernicious when most of your posts in this thread make ample use of terms of chud, underemployed, bernout or whatever when referring to white workers angst against free-market policies loving their livelihood (even ignoring how it also fucks it's supposed foreign beneficiaries). It's implied in your post that white working class angst must always be related with laziness or some lack of a randian bootstrapps spirit, even if you're self aware enough not to be ranting about John Galt. It's implied that you think the free market will solve all problems etc, which makes you a dumb elitist left Fukuyamaist, which uses minorities as a cover for your lovely free market fundamentalism.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:01 |
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Somfin posted:Do you have any idea how loving much data Twitter gets through on a second-by-second basis Same goes for youtube, both are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to videos getting strikes, taken down etc. and it is simply because such a system can't have real people monitoring it during all stages of such a process.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:43 |
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Fados posted:Funny thing about universal human rights or the welfare state is that although at first they in were in some way made as de facto the rights of 'whites' or nationals, because they were nominally universal, it eventually opened the door for minorities to ask to be included in those same rights. Eg: the Haitian revolution. It's some big historical revisionism from your part to single handedly hand-wave away all the fights in past centuries of the mainly white western working class as populist racism that must necessarily lead to totalitarian gulags or concentration camps. Oh, you mean like happened when the white underclass turned against the welfare state as soon as anyone other than them might benefit? I remember the Civil Rights Era too. Hell, the first populist wave in this country under Jackson brought about a huge ethnic cleansing effort and one of the biggest (if not the biggest) economic downturn in US history. After a certain point, you have to expect to get burnt when you touch the stove. We have a populist in office right now, and his first moves have been to poo poo on minorities as hard as he can get away with. It's like we're repeating history but piles of people are still too dumb to realize it. I'd have some level of faith in left populism, but again it's been full of working class whites more than willing to step on people of color to regain some economic advantage. And since we have a thread that now has started making GBS threads on people with educations (i.e. bringing up "elite college education" as a downside to someone) and the constant hate on anything involving tech I think it's pretty obvious that this is just a cover for trying to push more anti-intellectual garbage. It's especially awful to do so at a time when we're facing an event as a species (climate change) that's going to take a lot of brain power to figure out how to solve. making GBS threads on people for having educations instead of holding them up to be our leaders is exactly the populist way, and exactly what's going to screw us over both in the short and long term. quote:It's especially pernicious when most of your posts in this thread make ample use of terms of chud, underemployed, bernout or whatever when referring to white workers angst against free-market policies loving their livelihood (even ignoring how it also fucks it's supposed foreign beneficiaries). It's implied in your post that white working class angst must always be related with laziness or some lack of a randian bootstrapps spirit, even if you're self aware enough not to be ranting about John Galt. It's implied that you think the free market will solve all problems etc, which makes you a dumb elitist left Fukuyamaist, which uses minorities as a cover for your lovely free market fundamentalism. Shockingly far off from my economic position. I'm a Keynesian, as dirty a word as that is to say at the moment. Markets are good at determining what good to produce (since they are essentially voting on that) but whatever we try to pass as free market is just a poor system that's setting itself up for collapse, and needs some regulation to make permanently stable. Sorry I don't say all the nice words to make the white working class feel better about themselves, but I've been on to the plan for awhile now. But acting like they get to deserve some special spot in the job line for being born white and in the developed world is insane. It's a quarter step away from the idiot ethno-nationalism of the people we mock in this thread. I'm fine with UBI for people so we make having a job something you can live without, but the idea that we have to limit international trade and most importantly (and hypocritically) immigration. It's affirmative action for the white working class, when they venomously oppose the same for the people they have helped oppress. I have no problem with a social democratic system, but I get the impression that's halfway considered neoliberal (or whatever word is being used as the stand-in for cuck with the populist left) to be anything other than a smash globalization type around here. All populism of either the left or right variety does is screw up the web of international relationships that have been set up and destroy whatever actual success a society has built up so far. But I'm a dirty "elitist" who thinks we should be pushing educated and intelligent people forward, so I guess you can finish accusing me of being a double secret libertarian or whatever is the current boogeyman of the hour.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 15:46 |
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Midig posted:Same goes for youtube, both are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to videos getting strikes, taken down etc. and it is simply because such a system can't have real people monitoring it during all stages of such a process. Weren't there entire news stories about people who have to sift through the stuff on Facebook just to filter out the basic stuff like kiddie porn or ISIS videos? There's no way that could afford to have someone sift through every post or tweet for the exact context somebody used when they told someone to "drink bleach" or the like, much less to enforce any kind of arbitrary morality where it's okay for one side to say it but not the other. Automated tools are a good start, and complaining you can't abuse someone because of them is just madness.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 15:53 |
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Jeremy Corbyn, just as dangerous as Donald Trump and Carl of Swindon.
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Zikan posted:Jeremy Corbyn, just as dangerous as Donald Trump and Carl of Swindon. If he's going to push Brexit, he certainly is. Anything that atomizes Europe is just asking for another continent destroying war. I do recall he was going for a "soft" Brexit, which seems like a ending that's mostly symbolic instead of actually trying to reduce the free movement of people. Remember, the people I'm talking about are somehow convinced Mr. Obama is some sort of right-winger since he didn't hang CEO corpses from the White House fence and commit to Full Communism Now.It's an attempt to create a left Tea Party, with all the horrible implications that would involve.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 16:11 |
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Stalin was cool, and extremely good
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 16:14 |
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Corbyn was anti EU before the referendum but it's an incredibly poisoned chalice for any party to deal with. If you said you would cancel Brexit you'd be very likely to lose a good chunk of votes and not have enough seats to form a government. Yes it was Facebook hiring thousands (more) in response to the livestreaming murder guy. Firing off a rude twitter message at someone you don't like sounds both petty and pointless. Carecat fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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rkajdi posted:If he's going to push Brexit, he certainly is. Internationalism is good, solidarity of workers across all continents is good. Paneuropean nationalism and economic liberalism is the worst of both worlds as they act like nationalists when dealing with Africa and Asia and capitalists when dealing with their own inhabitants. The majority of people in the UK who voted Leave probably did not do so because they had read the criticisms coming out of India Today or the African press, and Brexit will likely be a disaster for the UK and some other wealthy countries, which will probably harm the poorest in those countries mainly due to their failure to address internal wealth imbalance, but you can't use that as a reason for apologetics for the European Union, a bloc with immense historical privilege that still benefits from the continued looting of French former colonies, and then turn around and say that you're against those whites putting themselves before other groups.
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Fine, I'm glad you're not a complete idiot as I thought. In a way I'm with you that populism is never as such an emancipatory category: angst is but a symptom which can be channeled for both good or bad change. Populism, seen as «giving the people what they want» is not sufficiently precise, even left populism (one should always be careful for who is left out). I'm also for globalism or whatever you want to call it, which means basically that there are a series of global problems which require global answers. But I still get the feeling from your post that you're deeply suspiciously of anyone who is critical of the current international norms, which although one doesn't want to simply tear down, one should definitely fight for their change: quoting a good post from CanPol thread on this: Helsing posted:"Globalization" is a phrase of relatively recent vintage that has typically been used to naturalize highly political decisions about cross-boarder patterns of investment. Objections to "globalization" aren't generally isolationist, just look at how people in the anti-globalization movement also tend to be pro-immigrant, pro-refugee and often call for "fair trade" alternatives. Fados fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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rkajdi posted:But I'm a dirty "elitist" who thinks we should be pushing educated and intelligent people forward, so I guess you can finish accusing me of being a double secret libertarian or whatever is the current boogeyman of the hour. I understand and sympathize with elitist arguments like this (since being educated is obviously important for running a society), but it's also important to keep in mind that systems that promote educated elites will also tend to be run disproportionately by wealthy (or at least well-off) individuals with their own biases. When your society/government is run almost entirely by a bunch of people from comfortable upper/upper-middle class backgrounds who attended elite universities, it's generally not going to properly understand or value the experiences of the poor. You end up with a situation similar to our current one, where the ruling class is risk-averse and unwilling to take any significant action to address issues like poverty, because they're not the ones exposed to that harm. They have more to lose from change than they have to gain, so they oppose it. It's not a simple problem, and it's true that the answer isn't just to replace the current ruling class with a bunch of random uneducated people. But I think there has to be some sort of better balance, where people with power have an education but aren't universally from the same sort of wealthy, elite backgrounds.
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Fados posted:Fine, I'm glad you're not a complete idiot as I thought. In a way I'm with you that populism is never as such an emancipatory category: angst is but a symptom which can be channeled for both good or bad change. Populism, seen as «giving the people what they want» is not sufficiently precise, even left populism (one should always be careful for who is left out). I'm also for globalism or whatever you want to call it, which means basically that there are a series of global problems which require global answers. But I still get the feeling from your post that you're deeply suspiciously of anyone who is critical of the current international norms, which although one doesn't want to simply tear down, one should definitely fight for their change: quoting a good post from CanPol thread on this: The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen. Guavanaut posted:The EU is literally a protectionist eurocentric colonial winners club with some other >97% white countries tacked on for 'common values', but runs an internal market that agitates against state aid and in favor of transferring money from workers to landowners. Isn't the EU the main reason why lots of these nations have to accept the refugees from the Middle East? I mean, they could leave the EU, but most of their economies would be wrecked, so they are forced into making their nations a bit more multi-cultural. I'd call that a direct improvement over where Europe was a century ago. Additionally, everyone in the world is better off with European peace, which the EU-style co-operation has made happen. It's also always telling when you're on the same side of a position as Nigel Farange. Leave was powered by the same issues we see in the US with nativism (i.e. Want to get ahead because you won the vaginal lottery. Also not wanting to talk to anyone with an accent or press 1 for English) and acting like there's some great leftist cover for acting like an Ugly Native and wanting a cheap leg up in the job market.
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rkajdi posted:The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. quote:It's also always telling when you're on the same side of a position as Nigel Farange.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 18:39 |
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rkajdi posted:The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen. This is just a tini tiny piece of a much bigger shebang, which via the cover of 'free-trade', seeks to basically protect the privileges of the rich, regardeless of their race or etnicity. It's sad to me that you can't seem to analyse the dynamics of contemporaneous capitalism from a lens other than identity politics. Capitalism today is actually thriving on cultural and ethnic national identities, just look at China's capitalism with 'Asian Values' or Modi's India and it's growing Hindu apartheid, which far from hindering their market efficacy, actually function as assets under the current international trade system. Fados fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 19, 2017 |
# ? Jun 19, 2017 18:51 |
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rkajdi posted:The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen. Modern countries are organized around serving the needs of their citizens. It is actually a written assumption, written in the US, written in Canada, written in the EU, or else why would they bother to give the right to EU citizens to work in any EU country. Are you going to found a consensus world government to arbitrate for everyone?
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Dmitri-9 posted:Modern countries are organized around serving the needs of their citizens. It is actually a written assumption, written in the US, written in Canada, written in the EU, or else why would they bother to give the right to EU citizens to work in any EU country. Are you going to found a consensus world government to arbitrate for everyone? The solution is immigration, like the US was founded on since day one. If the best fit is an immigrant over the a lower value domestic worker, you don't give it to the latter just because he was born on the "right" side of an arbitrary border (also maybe falling into more arcane rules depending on how poo poo your nation is) Again, it's funny how people who are fighting against Affirmative Action for people who are actually disadvantaged are willing to give it to people who only have an arbitrary nation in common. Sorry, nationalism and patriotism are a cancer and need to go the way of other broken 20th century ideas. Supporting this kind of broken thinking is the reason we came here to mock these YouTube alt righters. They love god (or lack of it) and ethnicity and country because without it they have nothing and are nothing. If you're actually put upon for these things, I get making a shared identity out of your oppression. But the most oppression these guys have seen is when their mom told them to make their own pizza rolls. I'm fine giving them UBI, but actually giving them a job because they need self-worth is just the stupidest possible thing. Bring in someone from overseas with actual training and skills to get the job done right, and use the police to suppress these guys when they inevitably try to harass the people actually doing something for "stealing their jobs/women/pride". If these Western hikikomori would just stay docile in their parent's basements and not harass actually productive people, nobody would care one way or another what happens in their meaningless little lives. But like always they have to rock the boat, otherwise the might have to entertain themselves without their precious murder simulators and hentai.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 20:08 |
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rkajdi posted:The solution is immigration, like the US was founded on since day one. If the best fit is an immigrant over the a lower value domestic worker, you don't give it to the latter just because he was born on the "right" side of an arbitrary border (also maybe falling into more arcane rules depending on how poo poo your nation is) Again, it's funny how people who are fighting against Affirmative Action for people who are actually disadvantaged are willing to give it to people who only have an arbitrary nation in common. Sorry, nationalism and patriotism are a cancer and need to go the way of other broken 20th century ideas. I mean in the EU that simply divides class over national lines, producing countries with high net working class emigration to fill the menial work of other countries while those other countries export high skill labour, built on the work of the immigrant underclass while the rewards go to the richest governments. As well as the free flow of capital causing things like london housing being wrecked because the rest of the EU and russia like to use it as an investment portfolio without anyone living in it. It simply creates wealth inequality in different places. Internationalism may be good but international capitalism is not.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 20:18 |
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rkajdi posted:Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. Specifically regarding elites, while many people who complain about them may not know what they're talking about, they definitely still exist. I went to school with a bunch of people who are basically the elites of tomorrow (basically a bunch of people who went on to work at elite financial/consulting/law firms, etc), and almost universally (literally all but maybe two or three of the people I knew) these people came from backgrounds where one or both parents were at least reasonably well off and worked in a professional field and they were provided a variety of great opportunities while growing up. This results in what is effectively an aristocracy of educated, financially secure people living in urban enclaves who are mostly isolated from people outside of their general income level. (There's also the higher level of billionaire super-elites, but I'm mostly talking about people who directly run our government and business institutions or have the possibility of doing so in the future.) The problem isn't so much that people like this don't recognize problems with poverty and income inequality (though obviously sometimes they don't), but that they don't feel any urgency to fix those problems since they're unaffected by them. To them, it doesn't really matter if we fix those issues in 5 years or 50 years, since it's ultimately just an intellectual question rather than something with real consequences. So even though, on some level, they genuinely want to fix those issues, they're unwilling to take any risks to do so. They more heavily weight potential future harm over harm in the present, because harm in the present doesn't affect them and future harm might.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 20:46 |
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rkajdi posted:The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen. That isn't what was posted at all and looks like an intentional misreading of a nuanced view about having an anti-globalization stance!
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 21:03 |
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Is the current discussion directly related to any specific video that was posted, or just a derail?
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 21:55 |
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rkajdi posted:Remember, the people I'm talking about are somehow convinced Mr. Obama is some sort of right-winger since he didn't hang CEO corpses from the White House fence and commit to Full Communism Now.It's an attempt to create a left Tea Party, with all the horrible implications that would involve. obama was right of center, as is his party.
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Groovelord Neato posted:obama was right of center, as is his party. Correct. You don't participate in four more wars in the middle east and a secret campaign in Africa if you're not.
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