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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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DeimosRising posted:They gotta match salaries so some has to go. They have no one expiring with a big contract and no assets except post Lebron picks. Dumping Kyrie or Love would be the only option unless Pacers like the idea of a TT Turner froncourt and that seems extremely lateral to me. Don't see it happening, but maybe TT plus a far future pick and Phoenix gets a second for Chandler? Far fetched I wouldn't mind TT. I might be the only one though. I've always thought Turner was more a natural 4 than a 5, especially as his jumper improves. I'd laugh my rear end off if we trade PG and then go out and sign Hayward.
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Jun 18, 2017 23:51
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Given that Indy has zero leverage who says no to this: Indy gets: Mudiay Denver 2017 first rounder Cleveland gets: Paul George Denver gets: Love Denver would also ship Hibbert and Plumlee away to match salaries. Indy gets something for George, Denver doesn't have to pay Milsap 30 million a year until his mid thirties, and Cleveland gets to have a chance at beating GSW.
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Jun 18, 2017 23:51
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DeimosRising posted:They gotta match salaries so some has to go. They have no one expiring with a big contract and no assets except post Lebron picks. Dumping Kyrie or Love would be the only option unless Pacers like the idea of a TT Turner froncourt and that seems extremely lateral to me. Don't see it happening, but maybe TT plus a far future pick and Phoenix gets a second for Chandler? Far fetched Yeah that's what I was thinking, TT's big overpay contract means he has to go but also means the Pacers would be stuck paying him big money for a while. I guess LeBron doesn't need any 2020s picks.
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Jun 18, 2017 23:55
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I don't think that's a good trade for anyone involved. Lateral move that kills continuity for Cleveland, Denver gets a guy who doesn't match their timeline and doesn't complement their budding superstar, and Indy I guess is hosed either way but that's a trash return.
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Jun 18, 2017 23:55
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Shear Modulus posted:Yeah that's what I was thinking, TT's big overpay contract means he has to go but also means the Pacers would be stuck paying him big money for a while. I guess LeBron doesn't need any 2020s picks. Fwiw he seems like a great match with Turner and on a non contender in Indiana the kardashians will delatch their talent sucking lamprey faces from him and he'll be solid again. Not overpaid under the new cap imo
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Jun 18, 2017 23:58
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Love for George doesn't really seem like it would help them against the Warriors unless LeBron convinces Silver to change the rules so that rebounds are worth negative points.
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Jun 18, 2017 23:59
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I can't wrap my mind around George to Cleveland trade scenarios. He solves literally none of their problems.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:02
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Well what's the one better for Cle? TT for PG or Love? Wouldn't Love have to play the 5 if they ship off TT?
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Jun 19, 2017 00:02
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Shear Modulus posted:Love for George doesn't really seem like it would help them against the Warriors unless LeBron convinces Silver to change the rules so that rebounds are worth negative points. Gives LeBron some rest on defense
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Jun 19, 2017 00:02
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pubic works project posted:Well what's the one better for Cle? TT for PG or Love? Wouldn't Love have to play the 5 if they ship off TT? The status quo is better for them.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:04
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Shear Modulus posted:Love for George doesn't really seem like it would help them against the Warriors unless LeBron convinces Silver to change the rules so that rebounds are worth negative points. Love was much better this year than people want to give them credit for, but their biggest weakness was a lack of LeBron wing who could play defense (and even in the Finals LeBron coasts a lot on that end because he has to do so much on offense). Like, they had Richard Jefferson on Durant for long stretches
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Jun 19, 2017 00:05
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Athanatos posted:Gives LeBron some rest on defense This. The rebounding thing is a concern though.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:05
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Libertine posted:I can't wrap my mind around George to Cleveland trade scenarios. He solves literally none of their problems. Right now they only have one player who is a bona fide alpha and two guys who are alphas most of the time but can get shut down. Adding George brings their Expected Alpha value closer to the magical number of 3. pubic works project posted:Well what's the one better for Cle? TT for PG or Love? Wouldn't Love have to play the 5 if they ship off TT? Love (and LeBron) basically played the 5 all finals since Thompson died.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:05
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Really want the sixers to get in on love . Sixers can take him into space which may be valuable .
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Jun 19, 2017 00:06
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euphronius posted:Really want the sixers to get in on love . You can have PG
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Jun 19, 2017 00:07
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pubic works project posted:Well what's the one better for Cle? TT for PG or Love? Wouldn't Love have to play the 5 if they ship off TT? They'd be better keeping love for the regular season but if you assume they can just coast easily to the finals either way Thompson is probably a little more valuable in theory because he's so good at switching defensively (though he was borderline unplayable in the Finals this year, so that's definitely arguable)
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Jun 19, 2017 00:07
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Tristan, you either break it off with Khloe or I'm sending you to Indiana.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:09
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Libertine posted:I can't wrap my mind around George to Cleveland trade scenarios. He solves literally none of their problems. What do you think their problems are? Lack of a credible two way wing seems like the biggest one to me by far
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Jun 19, 2017 00:09
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/worst-trade-back-nets-celtics-deal-2013-article-1.3255407?cid=bitlyquote:Around the All-Star break of [then-head coach Lionel Hollins’] first season, Deron Williams called a meeting to discuss his issues with his coach. It ended with Williams so distraught he had to be restrained from attacking Hollins. lmao the nets
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Jun 19, 2017 00:09
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Love has 3 years left on his deal which is ideal.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:10
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MourningView posted:What do you think their problems are? Lack of a credible two way wing seems like the biggest one to me by far Two way wing play is their team's greatest strength: they have Lebron James. I mean like I get that he maybe gets tired after being required to play 98% of the available minutes, but that's a problem with down the line depth. You can't address that problem by adding another max contract player who plays the exact same position as your greatest player, that's just not rational roster construction. The Cavs need to somehow get a dominant center (probably impossible) or have TT develop into a more dominant one (unlikely at this point). The Cavs could also add more shooters but they were already one of the best in the league, and it's really hard to explain how all of them went extremely ice cold in multiple NBA finals games, but if that didn't happen they could have easily taken 1 game and maybe have been looking at a much different series. George is a ball dominant wing player that is totally unnecessary on a team with Lebron James. He's not going to facilitate or take on a 3rd banana role like Kevin Love does. Love is more effective on the team and had an overall better season than George and they are about the same age. There's literally no strategic, contract, or any rational reason at all to add George while subtracting Love for the Cavs.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:20
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Thompson's D at the most important but position isn't enough to make them not awful or even keep him on the floor. He's not an anchor, I think he's better as a switching 4 on D, kind of a less athletic Ibaka. Turner shows flashes of being a more useful lane defender and has range to work on offense with him. Cleveland then makes a play for Chandler or offers their full TPMLE to Dedmon or Nene or Splitter and play a lot of small ball too. Not sure it moves the needle but this current team is not beating GS without an injury so may as well roll the dice if Gilbert will pay
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Jun 19, 2017 00:23
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Lebron plays pf and c in the playoffs, there's no overlap And paul is really good off-ball
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Jun 19, 2017 00:24
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TT to Indy, George to LAC, Jordan to Cleveland or...something. I dunno
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Jun 19, 2017 00:26
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Libertine posted:Two way wing play is their team's greatest strength: they have Lebron James. I mean like I get that he maybe gets tired after being required to play 98% of the available minutes, but that's a problem with down the line depth. You can't address that problem by adding another max contract player who plays the exact same position as your greatest player, that's just not rational roster construction. You need more than one, and LeBron doesn't play two ways most of the time and they almost never put him on the other team's best wing anymore (and they go small so often in the playoffs he's not even on the wing a lot of time). They didn't have anyone they could credibly put on Durant, which is why you saw guys like Jefferson or Shumpert on him so often. "Dominant center" is a thing that largely does not exist and definitely doesn't do anything to help them against the Warriors
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Jun 19, 2017 00:26
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The Pacers are probably in a beggars can't be choosers situation, but if they have to dump George would they even want a player like Love in return? He inflates their record and doesn't line up with any realistic shot at contention Indiana might have
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Jun 19, 2017 00:31
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They wouldn't want love . But lots of teams would do so a three way is easily imaginable.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:31
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Ahh motherfucker I just lost 9 teams of trade ideas Here's the most rational one: Portland Trades Allen Crabbe straight up for Paul George. Portland gets a shot to get in to the second and win again this year, entice George into staying with winning and being a short flight from LA. Their defense and offense would improve. If he leaves, they have 18.5m of cap room and their GM is great at picking up role players at good prices when he's not signing Evan Turner. The downside: they really don't have a downside, they're not going to tank so any development is based on finding diamonds in the rough, and the Warriors will always be there. Indiana gets a good young shooter whose contract won't be an issue while they rebuild. Why not?  Here's the most intriguing one: Charlotte trades MKG and someone else worth about 2m for Paul George, MKG is on the Pacers timeline, could learn to not be a human cannonball, and his departure would let the Hornets return to the really good flowing offense that got them the third best record 2 years ago. George would like winning one playoff series, maybe 2, maybe he stays. And if he leaves, then Charlotte isn't capped out for the following 2 years.  Otherwise it's just garbage salary + some sort of first for George or Blah players for Paul George just to get something  ie the Pelicans trade Omer Asik, Etwuaaaan Moore, Jarmal Crawford (bad), plus an unprotected first for George. They suddenly become a lock for the playoffs. Maybe George likes playing with Holiday/Cousins/Davis. If not, then they're still capped out and don't have a midround pick. Not a huge loss. But the return looks Ugly for the Pacers, so it's not that likely.  The Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and an unprotected first for Paul George. Not going to happen
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Jun 19, 2017 00:33
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Cavs would be better off trading Kyrie for George, rather than Love.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:34
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DeimosRising posted:They gotta match salaries so some has to go. They have no one expiring with a big contract and no assets except post Lebron picks. Dumping Kyrie or Love would be the only option unless Pacers like the idea of a TT Turner froncourt and that seems extremely lateral to me. Don't see it happening, but maybe TT plus a far future pick and Phoenix gets a second for Chandler? Far fetched Paul George would have to play PF if TT was moved in a deal and he'd throw a fit on the ground and kick his legs like a baby if he had to do that.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:35
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George and Booker would be so loving fun to watch xbilkis posted:The Pacers are probably in a beggars can't be choosers situation, but if they have to dump George would they even want a player like Love in return? He inflates their record and doesn't line up with any realistic shot at contention Indiana might have There are 0 results that line up with contention in Indiana without Paul George, and only a very very small number with him. Libertine posted:George is a ball dominant wing player that is totally unnecessary on a team with Lebron James. He's not going to facilitate or take on a 3rd banana role like Kevin Love does. This is beyond false. PG loving loves getting the ball out of his hands and letting others do work. Unfortunately on the Pacers those players do poo poo work it's not the best idea. PG will kill it being the guy who is spotting up and let the game come to him. Rick posted:Paul George would have to play PF if TT was moved in a deal and he'd throw a fit on the ground and kick his legs like a baby if he had to do that. Cavs PF is way different than what Larry Bird had in mind when he was telling PG to play the 4 in Indy.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:35
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Cavs need a big 4 at least, not a different big 3. I love TT and all but I'd ship him sooner'n i'd trade outlet passing, rebounding,3 shooting and foul shot getting Dude Love
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Jun 19, 2017 00:44
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There is no PG cavs trade that improves the Cavs, unless it's just loving garbage, ie Iman Shumpert and Channing Frye plus a future second round pick for George. That makes them an even better offense and a better defense. More Lebron rest. Never going to happen If the Suns trade for Paul George it might be disgruntled guard Brandon Knight + Alex Len or whichever non Booker young player the Pacers want. But it would be a weird trade. The Suns would hope that they could put together a team that challenenged for the 8th seed and offered a short flight to LA. Trading a first round pick that wasn't hyper protected would be way too risky. No suns trade unless the new contract is already agreed to, I think, the same goes for any bad team.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:47
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Love to Denver really works too yeah. Denver can throw a whole bunch of slop at Indiana.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:47
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Lebron - kyrie - pg - tt - (whatever wing) seems like a better match up against the warriors imho.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:48
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George may matchup slightly better against GSW than Love, but then Cleveland has no one to punish teams that go small down low, and I think that's just a new problem for them. Take into account that it will probably take some time for PG to integrate into the team and I am not sure this is all that great of a deal. If you can get PG and somehow keep Lebron, Love, and Kyrie do it in a heartbeat. Even if it effectively means you only get 1 season of that team.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:49
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Denver doesn't want Kevin Love. They already know what playing a bad defense frontcourt looks like
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Jun 19, 2017 00:50
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despite TT having a bad finals hes a pretty dang good player and trading the only dude on your entire roster who is a traditional big man and can play the 5 seems not a great idea. especially if the concept is to match up better vs the warriors cause, again this finals notwithstanding(there are two others!!!), TT is good vs the warriors.Dejan Bimble posted:There is no PG cavs trade that improves the Cavs, unless it's just loving garbage, ie Iman Shumpert and Channing Frye plus a future second round pick for George. That makes them an even better offense and a better defense. More Lebron rest. Never going to happen yeah i agree with this, losing TT/love compromises them so much that they would need an additional starter quality big from somewhere and i dont get how they get one? it would need to be actual garbage the pacers were willing to take.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:51
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Dejan Bimble posted:Denver doesn't want Kevin Love. They already know what playing a bad defense frontcourt looks like Yeah, Denver needs a defense minded PF and a PG rotation that doesn't consist of a 35 year old 5'11 dude and a record-settingly bad 20 year old kid.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:58
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Dejan Bimble posted:Here's the most intriguing one: Charlotte trades MKG and someone else worth about 2m for Paul George, MKG is on the Pacers timeline, could learn to not be a human cannonball, and his departure would let the Hornets return to the really good flowing offense that got them the third best record 2 years ago. George would like winning one playoff series, maybe 2, maybe he stays. And if he leaves, then Charlotte isn't capped out for the following 2 years. I'd do this and a pick in a heartbeat but unfortunately I don't think MKG has enough juice to swing it. They might have a better shot dangling Batum but it'd probably hurt them long-term even if I like the idea of a stealth blow-up
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