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Yeah, it'd be really stupid to get up in arms about Rome having black people.
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That episode had nothing spectacular about it, but was a solid episode. No attempts to change the status quo, no meta elements and no faking out the audience. No extraneous pop culture tie-ins or trying to be hip, either. It was a nice corridor crawl/monster of the week episode, with just enough nice dialog and trickery by the Doctor, and a few thought-provoking comments about society, but nothing shoved down our throat. Even the stuff at the end with Missy didn't overshadow the episode. I could go for three years of episodes like this one.
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While I like the idea of "If everyone is able to understand each other they realise that they are very similar after all" that the episode was going for, it falls apart when applied to many conflicts, because most warcrimes are perpetrated against the same countries own people, so the language barrier is no excuse for lazy scapegoating. It's a good use of the translation field and for most iron age conflicts it does work though as that seemed to be when everyone was invading everyone else.
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Lots of Tacitus  Raptores orbis, postquam cuncta vastantibus defuere terrae, iam mare scrutantur: si locuples hostis est, avari, si pauper, ambitiosi, quos non Oriens, non Occidens satiaverit: soli omnium opes atque inopiam pari adfectu concupiscunt. auferre trucidare rapere falsis nominibus imperium, atque ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant (Tac., Agr. 30.4-5). My crappy translation: 'The robbers of the world...after they have destroyed swathes of land, then they devastate the sea. If their enemies are rich, then they [the Romans] are greedy. If their enemies are poor, then they enslave them. They are not satisfied with East nor West. They alone of all people crave desire as much as wealth. To plunder, to butcher, to rape -- they call it 'Empire'.....they create a desert, and call it peace'. It's a speech of a captured British king before the emperor in Rome; the Romans are so touched by it, they spare him and his family, although they make them live in a sort of house arrest in Rome after that. You can see matey from To the Manor Born all buttered up and giving the speech in I, Claudius as he plays the captured king Caractacus. Ms Boods fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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How hard can it possibly be to get fake rocks that arent obviously fake? Because that was some big grey polystyrene bullshit right there. Apart from that episode was pretty okay. And took me a minute to recognise "tell that to kanjiklub" as one of the romans.
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Jun 18, 2017 10:46
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Burkion posted:Yeah, it'd be really stupid to get up in arms about Rome having black people. Just cuz its stupid won't stop people from doing i though. Like people complaining about "Bill's sexuality being shoved in our faces every episode".
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SiKboy posted:How hard can it possibly be to get fake rocks that arent obviously fake? Because that was some big grey polystyrene bullshit right there. At least it wasn't this bad 
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Greyhawk posted:At least it wasn't this bad Ah yes, the Tale of the Giant Polystyrene Penis... a tale as old as time...
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Quite good even though the bit with the crows was kinda dumb.
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Namtab posted:Quite good even though the bit with the crows was kinda dumb. I didn't hate the Crow thing, but I hate how they will set something up like the crow thing, pay it off, and then explain pretty much directly to the camera the thing they just paid off as if we hadn't just been watching the whole thing play out over 40 something minutes.
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Next week looks pretty fun though - if they can pull it off.
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remusclaw posted:I didn't hate the Crow thing, but I hate how they will set something up like the crow thing, pay it off, and then explain pretty much directly to the camera the thing they just paid off as if we hadn't just been watching the whole thing play out over 40 something minutes. It's still aimed at families, meaning that they have to make sure that children understand what happened.
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Namtab posted:Quite good even though the bit with the crows was kinda dumb. According to St Augustine, crows say 'Cras! Cras!' because they're lazy procrastinating bastards (cras being Latin for 'tomorrow').
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Namtab posted:Quite good even though the bit with the crows was kinda dumb. See, that's part of what I liked. I've been struggling to come up with a way to describe this kind of plot which I have an admitted weakness for, even if it's cheesy, and the best I'm coming up with is "mythical." Stories like this blend modern storytelling with ancient - come listen to the tale of the ancient warriors whose heroism was so great that the crows now cry their names/they became a constellation/origin of whatever other thing we see every day. It's a thing that's done in Ovidian or American oral tradition stories, and when it's done well (to my tastes) the mythical resolution sneaks up on you a bit. 
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I'm really hoping they pull of the (next episode foe spoiler) Mondasian Cybermen properly. I've always thought a great way to make them horrifying and a world menace is to emphasise their early "survival at all costs" mentality. Have them responding to groups in distress and "saving" them through conversion because it's much more horrifying to emphasise the Cybermen thinking they're helping you. The fact the next episode seems to be about a doomed spaceship might mean they're doing the exact scenario I want to see.
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Namtab posted:Next week looks pretty fun though - if they can pull it off. The thing that worries me about it is that preview laid out three separate concepts, all of which I really want to see, just not all at once. I want a whole episode about Missy trying to be the hero, a whole episode with the Mondasian Cybermen (and just the brief glimpses we saw suggest they'll be done some honor and allowed to be properly slow and creepy), and a whole new episode with Prime Minister Saxon. I'm just worried that all of them at once will be a problematic snarl; the Missy/Master elements detracting from the mood the Mondasians would do well in, while they provide a backdrop too dark and subtle to support the personalities of the other villains. ...I mean I shouldn't be worried, Missy provided us the best Cyberman episode of the revival. But I am, I'm scared we'll get too much of a good thing.
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Lost the wife, gained the rubbish beard.
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Cleretic posted:...I mean I shouldn't be worried, Missy provided us the best Cyberman episode of the revival. But I am, I'm scared we'll get too much of a good thing. Shame there weren't any Cybermen in that episode
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I really liked that. The really solid standalone episodes do tend to be my favorites, though,which I get is not true of everyone. For all the obvious mysteries about the upcoming finale, I confess to being most curious about how the Cybermen are going to react to Nardole
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Burkion posted:Shame there weren't any Cybermen in that episode You gotta admit the door hint was pretty drat clever though.
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I was wondering how they could do this without having canon issues with Spare Parts, but then I remembered there's probably hundreds of years of Mondasian history between that story and Tenth Planet, so there could be a lot of room. I wonder if Cyber-Commander Zheng will show up. THAT would be the ultimate Big Finish Easter Egg!
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Never really got canon complaints in this show, honestly. Continuity problem? Time travel butterfly effected it somehow.
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Doctor Who's never really concerned itself with canon - well, it does nowdays to a degree, but they tend not to let that get in the way of a story. v vIt's never been like the Star Wars EU, where everything was rigorously catalogued to levels of canon. Despite what that TARDIS wikia tries to do, anyway. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Astroman posted:I was wondering how they could do this without having canon issues with Spare Parts, but then I remembered there's probably hundreds of years of Mondasian history between that story and Tenth Planet, so there could be a lot of room. The end of Spare Parts is pretty much the perfect end to a cyberman story. Oh, cool, the doctor won! Oh, one cyberman left? Welp.
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Burkion posted:Shame there weren't any Cybermen in that episode *Ahem* 
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docbeard posted:I really liked that. The really solid standalone episodes do tend to be my favorites, though,which I get is not true of everyone. Remember the end of season 2? That's how.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9z9C8FOKvg "Hello, I'm Doctor Who."
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I like the various promo images the BBC makes for Doctor Who Simms actually looks like another Master with that goatee...  Not as magnificent as Delgado, but hey, nobody's perfect Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Jun 18, 2017 19:16
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Vinylshadow posted:I like the various promo images the BBC makes for Doctor Who That pose makes me think of Christopher Walken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF28PETSYFE&t=63s
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Vinylshadow posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9z9C8FOKvg
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That one was alright, although I'm getting a little tired of "Don't be such babies, juts because they murdered everyone you love" speeches. It's interesting to try to picture the Seventh Doctor and Ace in the same situations, given that was the last time Rona Munro wrote. Three more episodes with Peter Capaldi and Stephen Moffat (and, probably, let's face it, Pearl Mackie), and then it's on to a whole different world. These next two episodes look like they're going to be packed with stuff. Let's just hope they're not overpacked and they get the pacing right.
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Namtab posted:I hate this Ahaha I knew the moment I saw this somebody here would.
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Burkion posted:Shame there weren't any Cybermen in that episode The stuff with Danny in the cemetery was the best Cyberman stuff the show has done in ages even if the episode didn't have "real" Cybermen
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Namtab posted:I hate this What do you hate about it? The meta elements or the campiness?
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TinTower posted:Paging DoctorWhat: This is so sweet 
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yeah it's pretty great
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Namtab posted:I hate this I know, it's great. It's just so terribly bad. It's amazing.
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I really liked this episode, right up to the point where the Doctor wanted to guard the gate. The vault would still be there, since he's a time traveler, and things wouldn't be undone because he decided to do a thing at this point in time and space. Plus, since the future isn't any worse off without the Doctor knowing about the gate, it'd pretty much be a fixed point in time. I do like episodes that actually explore past events, or science-y stuff, as Doctor Who was "intended". It's fun to throw "what if alien" at past events. The one episode that really sticks out for me in that regard was the Pompei episode (with Peter Capaldi!), which did a similar thing, with the gut wrenching ending of fixed point, but with a bit of Doctor magic mixed in by saving that one family.
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