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Rinkles posted:I was expecting a special forces unit a la Half Life. But that would've involved a whole bunch of new AI work and animations. I swear I could feel the budget running out at this point. You know they wanted to introduce a whole new enemy type. Instead we didn't even get a pallet swap. It still worked because the lasers were actually dangerous and finding ways to shut down their respawners was a fun new mechanic.
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Rinkles posted:I was expecting a special forces unit a la Half Life. But that would've involved a whole bunch of new AI work and animations. This is what I was expecting when they introduced Dahl. And then it turns out his cleanup crew is crappy 'military' operator bots who are so lovely at their job that Dahl has to actually ask over the intercom for people to come to their execution  Either way, I feel like the final hour or two is this game's achilles heel and it's a real shame because it is an absolute blast right up until that point.
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Jun 19, 2017 02:53
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Or showing us Aphex Typhon but no boss fight, or literally having Alex//January kill each other instead of letting you do it or saving one new area for the finale. It's true you can just feel the time and resources running out.
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Bust Rodd posted:or literally having Alex//January kill each other instead of letting you do it You can, though?
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Bust Rodd posted:The ending could have used maybe one more new enemy type, as it is the endless respawning armored laser drones segment seems like the product of a concussion left untreated compared to the rest of the game. God, it would have been so cool if the final part of the game had intelligent humans. Dunno if it's just cause they came off the heels of the Dishonored games, but it really feels like Prey wants to be a stealth game at times, it's just that none of the enemies are smart (or dangerous) enough for it to be necessary.
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Genocyber posted:God, it would have been so cool if the final part of the game had intelligent humans. Dunno if it's just cause they came off the heels of the Dishonored games, but it really feels like Prey wants to be a stealth game at times, it's just that none of the enemies are smart (or dangerous) enough for it to be necessary. This was how I felt about Deus Ex (1) after plaything Thief (1). The stealth was serviceable but it wasn't the focus of the game.
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Don't know why people are saying the time/money ran out for the ending. Probably much more likely that their vision/execution for it just didn't pan out how they thought it would.
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if you want to believe that they were perfectly funded, the illusion of ease at the end is still just an illusion. you are given just enough to have it taken away, regardless of how you do or feel in those last moments based on the secret place. it was more about decisions and how you deal with the crew... but then the cat is out of the bag and even that accomplishment is stripped away. that "dream sequence" syndrome that people get mad about. i would say that its more than just the ramp in powerband at the end. doesnt stop me from restarting again on nightmare just to find more and see what else can happen. the experience is the thing i want more of, not the climax at this point. too bad ss2 did a better job of both with a sense of closure that didnt make you question what you fought to accomplish. e; also lool the game knows its a game, is the 4th wall an LG screen, what side are we on?!?! HATECUBE fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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I was fine with the end of the game plot-wise. It's the gameplay stuff they hosed up. Way too much trecking through multiple areas which is killer on console. Those drat loading screens...
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System shock 2 long overstayed its welcome in the last areas and had a terrible ending so that's not exactly the first thing I'd use as an example here
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Genocyber posted:I was fine with the end of the game plot-wise. It's the gameplay stuff they hosed up. Way too much trecking through multiple areas which is killer on console. Those drat loading screens... I don't mind the loading screens, but it was kinda disappointing that you've pretty much seen every enemy the game has to offer by the time you hit the Arboretum (besides Dahl's operators). Honestly for the last hour of the game I pretty much just bunny hopped/ran through all the different areas ignoring fights while I did the objectives.
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Digirat posted:System shock 2 long overstayed its welcome in the last areas and had a terrible ending so that's not exactly the first thing I'd use as an example here tell me what about the climax in ss2 felt like this. how did escaping to the rickenbacker and crawling through the guts of the beast let you down in a way that made you feel like you were never there? lets talk about ss1 where you kind of just wander into the last room and hit a console and its over with no ramp. thats the real linear powerband. no climax, no indication... you just hit 5k RPM and the trip is over. more to that, half-life (peace be upon him) ends exactly like ss2 but with a tricky bossfight HATECUBE fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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the black husserl posted:I swear I could feel the budget running out at this point. You know they wanted to introduce a whole new enemy type. Instead we didn't even get a pallet swap.
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HATECUBE posted:tell me what about the climax in ss2 felt like this. how did escaping to the rickenbacker and crawling through the guts of the beast let you down in a way that made you feel like you were never there? lets talk about ss1 where you kind of just wander into the last room and hit a console and its over with no ramp. thats the real linear powerband. no climax, no indication... you just hit 5k RPM and the trip is over. I didn't say SS2 had the same problems as prey but a combination of going on for way too long and a terrible end boss + cutscene make it a game I would never bring up as an example of an ending done better than anything else
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Personally I wish more protagonists just said "Nah" and shot the final boss instead of having a 'we're both the same!!' speech and a long drawn out duel.
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CJacobs posted:Personally I wish more protagonists just said "Nah" and shot the final boss instead of having a 'we're both the same!!' speech and a long drawn out duel. The most heroic "nah" ever.
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Huh. I just jumped into Alex's escape pod and left. Then the game just ended. Not even a little story about what happened afterwards. Just Alex saying he's disappointed; but really gently caress that guy. Judging from the discussion above, I assume this isn't the "real" ending. I guess I should do more story quests!
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ConfusedUs posted:Huh. I just jumped into Alex's escape pod and left. Then the game just ended. Not even a little story about what happened afterwards. Just Alex saying he's disappointed; but really gently caress that guy. Yes, you should keep playing, and you may look back on what happened in this ending differently
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ConfusedUs posted:Huh. I just jumped into Alex's escape pod and left. Then the game just ended. Not even a little story about what happened afterwards. Just Alex saying he's disappointed; but really gently caress that guy. That's the bad end.
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I just beat the game and apparently I saved all the people? That's cool I guess. I went full Typhon powers. I farmed as much poo poo as I could to buy up all of the Typhon powers and completed the quest to change the water into psychic juice. By the end of the game I felt like Neo at the end of The Matrix. Nothing could touch me. I would teleport around leaving dummies and hack everything in sight while the enemies moved in slow motion. I didn't even bother with guns. I'd just kite every enemy into a choke and blast them with all my attack powers, then take a few sips from the nearest faucet without any net loss in resources. When the Nightmare appeared I'd kill it and loot it before it hit the ground. Aside from being harder, is there anything about the game that changes if you take no Typhon powers?
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Sanzuo posted:I just beat the game and apparently I saved all the people? That's cool I guess. some dialog at the end.
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I really liked the whole end segment of the game but that might be largely because I was running on an SSD, and I just blew through it at a breakneck speed using grenades/Q-Beam and just beelined through it. Felt like that's what they intended with the constantly respawning enemies and everything going nuts and all that. I agree that the biggest issue with the game is that there's just a lack of new stuff on the tail end of the game. I got all the guns early on and was doing a no-neuromod play-through, so things really dragged pretty hard for a decent chunk (Cargo Bay was the worst of it I think). Didn't drag the game down too hard but I wish they had a few more enemy types and maybe a fun super weapon to help keep the second half of the game fresh. I also liked the end of SS2 for the most part though so  Also I just realized I really want one of those TranStar coffee cups and of course they are sold out 
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Hey is this Nightmare thing supposed to be a joke? I've had it show up twice now, and both times I just ducked into a hallway too big for it to enter and waited it out. If I kill it will it come back again? I don't want to waste the ammo.
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It's not supposed to be, but it's pretty buggy and not real smart unfortunately. Yes if you kill it it will come back again later.
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The nightmare is a good idea very poorly executed.
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drat, so I guess I should just wait the 2-3 minutes every time it shows up so I'm not wasting resources killing it.
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Or beat the poo poo out of it instead of cowering like a tiny baby and watch as you are showered in delicious exotic material, ripe and ready to stab into your eye
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Bust Rodd posted:Or showing us Aphex Typhon but no boss fight, or literally having Alex//January kill each other instead of letting you do it
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ConfusedUs posted:drat, so I guess I should just wait the 2-3 minutes every time it shows up so I'm not wasting resources killing it. It takes like 5 shotgun shells to kill if you open with a sneak attack. It's not that big a deal. Throw some grenades at it or something, set it on fire with your brain, whatever you have going on will be fine. I only encountered it 3 times over the course of the game, it's not like it's going to tax your resources enormously.
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Rinkles posted:The nightmare is a good idea very poorly executed. The nightmare is extremely dangerous, because while you're hiding in a room it can't enter it might clip through a wall while you're not looking and kill you.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:The nightmare is extremely dangerous, because while you're hiding in a room it can't enter it might clip through a wall while you're not looking and kill you. My first encounter with a nightmare was in the elevator. Apparently you're invincible in the elevator but the nightmare could still clip through it, so it just spent 3 minutes harmlessly kicking me around until it disappeared
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Nordick posted:Well when I got to that part I just went "oh poo poo they gonna fight" and blasted January with the stun gun, because blood is still thicker than circuit boards damnit. Alex thanked me and everything. I think it's cool that the game doesn't do it in an overt "HEY HERE'S A DECISION YOU GOTTA MAKE" way, it just throws the situation at you and you have to react with your gut. Powersliding in at the last second and blasting January halfway across the room with one shot probably made me look like the coolest sibling in the entire world. ARGUMENT RESOLVED 
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I never got to see any of that. The moment I stepped onto the bridge Alex turned red and started running around in circles until the poor bugger got exhausted and passed out. I just wanted him to get in the escape pod with me I didn't even know why he was there and the only thing I heard from January was him telling the shuttle to leave without me
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Endgame talk.If you have Dahl prepped to fly the shuttle, can you use Alex's escape pod instead of going to the shuttle and get a good ending?
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BobKnob posted:Endgame talk.If you have Dahl prepped to fly the shuttle, can you use Alex's escape pod instead of going to the shuttle and get a good ending? No, Alex's escape pod always gives you the non-standard-game-over ending. The only thing that changes if you do it late is you don't get the "you're giving up?" voice line from him when you sit down iirc
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BobKnob posted:Endgame talk.If you have Dahl prepped to fly the shuttle, can you use Alex's escape pod instead of going to the shuttle and get a good ending? Yes, I've done this. It's pretty much identical to taking the shuttle yourself, but as I recall the cinematic shows the escape pod instead of the shuttle. NRVNQSR fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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CJacobs posted:No, Alex's escape pod always gives you the non-standard-game-over ending. Not always. If you've killed Dahl and started the self-destruct timer, you can flee the station in Alex's escape pod instead and get a separate cinematic for it. Or at least that's what I did, it might give it to you as well if you've started the timer and decide to take Alex's pod instead of Dahl's shuttle but I didn't test that.
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Huh, I guess I did it too early then. Neat!
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babypolis posted:Was there something hosed up going with the looking glass technology? Dr Calvino, the guy who invents it, is pretty sketchy. You find multiple people dead in front of looking glass screen and at one point seemingly summon a phantom using one. Theres also that phantom line about "what did you see in the glass?" There's gotta be something to that. After you're done taking the multiple choice test at the beginning, you get shown a Rorschach test on the computer monitor. At this moment, a mimic seems to spawn from behind the monitor and immediately takes the form of a coffee cup. Not sure what we're meant to make of that. But my hot take is that even seeing an image of a Typhon is enough to summon one. Helianthus Annuus fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Helianthus Annuus posted:There's gotta be something to that. After you're done taking the multiple choice test at the beginning, you get shown a Rorschach test on the computer monitor. At this moment, a mimic seems to spawn from behind the monitor and immediately takes the form of a coffee cup. Nah, the mimic just sneaked in from somewhere else in the room. Various audiologs and notes make it clear the station was flush with escaped mimics even before everything went to poo poo.
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