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Paracelsus posted:Remember when Fractale was supposed to save anime*? Meanwhile, Madoka's team cheerily announced that, while they wanted to make something good, hell yes they were merchandising this brightly colored show about middle school girls fighting monsters. They had the sense to realize anime was going to be saved on Christmas Eve 2012.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Also even if Mamika hadn't died (largely to justify Alice's dumb crusade for REVEEEEEEEEEEEEEENGE) Alice's weakness is inability to deal with cognitive dissonance. Yes it's dumb, but it wasn't dumbly executed. They even animated the exact moment where her brain freezes up. They already mentioned that the characters could change while on Earth, and it's not like every one of them will become a gooder guy. I enjoyed the simplicity and harsh execution of Alice's character progression, and would even go as far to say it generated a smidge of empathy.
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chiasaur11 posted:The really irritating thing was, if Mamika had lived, she'd have to have carved her own path. Madoka's arc ended in apotheosis, and that wouldn't work here. But instead, death. Those would have all been interesting angles. Mamika seemed like the best-developed character in this show, and it's frustrating that they were only interested in using her as a plot device to manufacture some dumb misunderstandings to get everyone trying to kill each other.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:05
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they were all halfway ready to kill each other from the start. alice was downright eager, even.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:they were all halfway ready to kill each other from the start. alice was downright eager, even. That's why I'm really baffled by the turn they took. Alice didn't actually need an additional reason to try to stab the protagonists; she had already pretty clearly committed to Altair's plan simply by virtue of the forlorn desperate hope that there was maybe possibly a vanishingly small chance that she could somehow change the nightmare world she comes from for the better, and had even already blown the heroes off once when they tried to convince her otherwise.
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But it's important to have the innocent, pure magical girl disillusioned and then bloodily murdered because that's BREAK YOUR STEREOTYPES in 2017.
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Mamika's story was short-lived but I wouldn't say was badly executed. She had a pretty clear trajectory through which her naïvete leads to a tragic downfall. It doesn't break new ground, but it's written pretty well for what it is, which is more than can be said for the rest of the show.
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Caphi posted:But it's important to have the innocent, pure magical girl disillusioned and then bloodily murdered because that's BREAK YOUR STEREOTYPES in 2017. If anything having the MG be a Symphogear / Nanoha "Super Robot" type whose belief that beating people into submission will bring them to their senses and to the side of justice and how that could be bent over a knee would have been breaking the stereotype. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Jun 17, 2017 07:26
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Yes, you truly are a murderer, Souta-kun. 
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Jun 17, 2017 17:19
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*A new anime character arrives* This show is not good.
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Jun 17, 2017 18:47
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So what characters are we missing? We need Akagi, a Titan-shifter, Osomatsu or some other gag character, and a sports dude.
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Jun 17, 2017 20:03
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MFW reading this thread
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So it seems glasses boy is even less responsible for his idiot friend's death than we thought... (Also, lol, someone said they'd make the wiki)
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Dzhay posted:So it seems glasses boy is even less responsible for his idiot friend's death than we thought... It's impressive, really. If he'd been more of a piece of poo poo, he'd be much more likable. Someone ruins his best friend's life, she commits suicide? Yeah, that's something to give a guy a guilt complex and an understandable reluctance to get involved in poo poo since, you know, last time he left his best friend dead and now maybe caused the apocalypse. With the current setup, he's just a guy who's physically incapable of stepping up to the plate and swinging. In a show full of bad decisions, everything about him is a standout. We're talking an ostensible protagonist who makes Hamlet look like Othello.
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I don't know, I found Sota's backstory to actually be pretty understandable and sympathetic. It's incredibly realistic for a person to harbor feelings of guilt and self-reproach when they feel like they could have prevented a friend from engaging in self-harm or suicide, to the point where it can be quite crippling or debilitating. The experience Sota went through, if it happened to a real person(obviously without the animes coming to life part) would generally require a lot of counseling and therapy to truly overcome, not a "nut up, you pussy" and a kick in the rear end. This episode actually made me a lot less annoyed with his character than I was before now that the whole context of his past is apparent, and it makes pretty much everything about the character's weird tics like his constant deflection or his refusal to draw or show his art to other people feel a lot more natural. You could write a show based on the relationship he had, the loss he suffered, and how he learns to cope with it and it would probably be pretty drat good. However, we're not watching this show for a touching drama about coping with suicide, we're watching to see anime characters come to life and beat each other up. The question is where does the character go from here? He's not Altair's creator or co-creator, and everyone else knows what he knows about her creator now. The only reason he has to still be present is the potential for drama between Altair and himself, but in her appearance in the previous episode he was quite clearly on the scene and she didn't spare him a second glance so she doesn't seem to give a poo poo about him.
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Altair noticed him pretty clearly in the first few episodes, so she knows. But yeah I think in terms of portraying the "real life" characters as real people with real people issues the show does pretty drat well. Each scene probably had a bit too much screentime, but the writing was, in my opinion, a-ok. Definitely not something to hold against the show, unlike say Meteora pulling cosmology from thin air and everyone just nodding.
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Dzhay posted:So it seems glasses boy is even less responsible for his idiot friend's death than we thought... I don't think it's as all implausible that he hasn't finished telling the story of his involvement yet (i.e, that the episode ended mid-flashback). He hasn't described the creation of Altair or Setsuna's suicide, both of which are presumably things he knows about. The episode ends at the point in Sota's story where he admits that he was so jealous that he felt happy to see her being bullied. I think it's a good point to end on because that's the most emotionally significant part of the story to him - if he did take an active role in the bullying later on, he probably thinks of that as just a sub-category of the overall sin of letting his jealously overcome him. ... Also I think maybe this show becomes a lot better if you stop expecting it to be an action show and start expecting it to be a character drama / exploration of the themes of authorial creativity & fandom. Maybe I'm just saying that because the constant ragging on the show in this thread has been getting me down and I feel like I'll be judged for talking about it as if it's Flawed yet Overall Pretty Good otherwise.
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a computing pun posted:Also I think maybe this show becomes a lot better if you stop expecting it to be an action show and start expecting it to be a character drama / exploration of the themes of authorial creativity & fandom. It gets better if you dramatically lower your expectations from "original anime" to "budget light novel adaptation that came out before the actual light novel"
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There's a lot of text spilled about how Sota is a designated hero with little real influence on the plot, but apart from that (and now that it seems to be looking up) I think Selesia, who seems to be the main heroine and main fighting protagonist, hasn't done anything except swing her sword and get tweethacked since episode 2.
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Caphi posted:There's a lot of text spilled about how Sota is a designated hero with little real influence on the plot, but apart from that (and now that it seems to be looking up) I think Selesia, who seems to be the main heroine and main fighting protagonist, hasn't done anything except swing her sword and get tweethacked since episode 2. Also accurate. Which is a big part of why I'm so skeptical of "No, it's good and it's just more realistic and subtle about Sota's arc". Show fucks up too many other ways to trust that it's just having difficulty conveying one point because we're all expecting something standard anime.
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Maybe Altair is trying to destroy the anime world by making RE: Creators a bad anime that no one will continue to watch.
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This show is okay. also lol at the goons who think that Sota's issues aren't realistic
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I wouldn't bother questioning the realism of it, but it's mildly underwhelming after a dozen episodes of buildup.
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basically the show isn't as good as it could be and nowhere near as bad as grouchio says it is and lol at all the retards who decided to jump on grouchio's bandwagon
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Phobophilia posted:and lol at all the retards who decided to jump on grouchio's bandwagon Hell, same I feel legit bad for Sota and his girlfriend, though
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Jun 19, 2017 04:43
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It's almost as if sometimes peoples' reactions to tragedy are not entirely logical and that survivor's guilt can take a lot of seemingly obtuse forms. I don't see how Sota's sense of guilt over that situation is all that weird when you're dealing with a socially-awkward teenager who struggles with his sense of self-worth and searches for validation externally and online.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:00
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Need to get that boy some booze, to deal with it like an adult.
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So basically, this is an anime where the world is in danger of ending because of internet trolls and cyber-bullying. I love it. 
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paragon1 posted:So basically, this is an anime where the world is in danger of ending because of internet trolls and cyber-bullying. Well I'd call it stupid, if it weren't for the fact I'm living in the only country that fell for that bullshit and now has the most unqualified administration ever.
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Annointed posted:Well I'd call it stupid, if it weren't for the fact I'm living in the only country that fell for that bullshit and now has the most unqualified administration ever. I didn't know you could post from North Korea.
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There Bias Two posted:I didn't know you could post from North Korea. I don't believe that the Korean War had much to do with Kim Il-sung's ability to drop sick burns on chatrooms. Could be wrong, though.
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paragon1 posted:So basically, this is an anime where the world is in danger of ending because of internet trolls and cyber-bullying. Re:Creators: the dark and gritty Gatchaman Crowds reboot.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:04
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Get Mitsubishi or whatever is considered a really lame company to do "hip" commercials using Altair as their spokesperson. That should be enough to completely depower her.
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Jun 20, 2017 05:21
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No wait, have the Berserk dudes make an anime about her.
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Jun 20, 2017 05:23
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I wonder if a clip from Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei produces more fun than an entire episode of Re: Creators... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMqi2ZVFnY
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trucutru posted:Get Mitsubishi or whatever is considered a really lame company to do "hip" commercials using Altair as their spokesperson. That should be enough to completely depower her. Grouchio posted:I wonder if a clip from Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei produces more fun than an entire episode of Re: Creators... Grouchio, "Thank's"
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I think the operative lesson here is that unless you're willing to do Awesome All Aerial Boat Vs Helicopter duels in your cartoon that the Black Lagoon guy is not the greatest asset to have.
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Jun 21, 2017 07:37
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On the plus side, this episode featured an animation sequence that accurately depicts my reactions and feelings towards this show, and this thread, and a lot of things really
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All this talk of wasted potential but the Wizard Barristers, Benmashi Cecil hype train crashed so hard from so high everyone forgot about it.
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